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[dodie20]

I'm not as confident in LE as Kim P seems to be. If they really had all that stuff, especially the forensic evidence, there shouldn't have been this huge time lapse. If LE has had the forensics since day 1, then how do they justify the Shell Harbor search? I'm guessing they went on Tommy's word, (Werter said so), but since that info didn't help him, I'm also guessing that little to nothing was found. But even if something was found, it was found a long time after day 1. & about those cell phone records...Kim P seems pretty confident that LE has them all. I'm not so sure, because LE stated early on, that they were having some problems with technology. & I figured they meant with the phone pings, records, messages, & the time clock at PDM, & maybe surveilance at PDM & the store, & the red light etc...Also, on a side note...Kim P's name calling of Cobra, (I assume), lost her a lot of credibility, IMO. That kind of name calling is a personal dig, & this case isn't about those 2, regardless of what she thinks. & actually, those Cobra tapes are a gold mine.

 

[krkrjx]

I'm not as confident in LE as Kim P seems to be. If they really had all that stuff, especially the forensic evidence, there shouldn't have been this huge time lapse. If LE has had the forensics since day 1, then how do they justify the Shell Harbor search? I'm guessing they went on Tommy's word, (Werter said so), but since that info didn't help him, I'm also guessing that little to nothing was found. But even if something was found, it was found a long time after day 1. & about those cell phone records...Kim P seems pretty confident that LE has them all. I'm not so sure, because LE stated early on, that they were having some problems with technology. & I figured they meant with the phone pings, records, messages, & the time clock at PDM, & maybe surveilance at PDM & the store, & the red light etc...Also, on a side note...Kim P's name calling of Cobra, (I assume), lost her a lot of credibility, IMO. That kind of name calling is a personal dig, & this case isn't about those 2, regardless of what she thinks. & actually, those Cobra tapes are a gold mine.

I agree 100%. KP is just giving an opinion; she in no way has inside knowledge of what's going on with this case, she's guessing just like anyone else. There are too many people ready to believe a statement just because it came out of an attorney's mouth. Some attorneys are brilliant, others not so much. Just sayin'...many times you need to consider the source to determine if something is fact or fiction.

 

[suspicious1]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

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BBM

Let's not forget this part....Shauland felt it necessary to include that they did not know what happened to Haleigh and when it happened.....So IMO, after they claim that they checked out Ron's alibi, he comes back with "HOWEVER"...to me that sounded like Schauland was saying that evethough his alibi checked out, he was still being looked at because they didn't know when this crime took place. So IMO, Ron still couldn't be ruled out with just his work alibi. and IMO, Ron has had about the same if not more, inconsistencies than Misty. Ron did not stop cooperating with LE for months, because they thought he was an innocent man....Ron didn't get a Criminal Defense Attorney because LE thought he was an innocent man....So IMO, Ron's work alibi was not enough exclude Ron. As of August, Ron's lawyer told us that Ron was still being shuffled around on the "list". And that came from his lawyer. Shortly after that, we have LE putting together this drug bust that also included Ron. So when you follow the trail, it looks to me like LE has been on to Ron from the beginning and they never let up on him. they may not have suspected that Ron was the one that caused his daughter's death, but I believe they suspected Ron knowing more than he was telling surrounding whatever happened to his daughter......And now, considering the plea deal with Ron.........they were right. Ron did have information and now he is going to use what he has to save his own butt...Does that sound like an innocent man? that work alibi wasn't enough. period.

JMO of course

 

[Crosby87]

I'm not as confident in LE as Kim P seems to be. If they really had all that stuff, especially the forensic evidence, there shouldn't have been this huge time lapse. If LE has had the forensics since day 1, then how do they justify the Shell Harbor search? I'm guessing they went on Tommy's word, (Werter said so), but since that info didn't help him, I'm also guessing that little to nothing was found. But even if something was found, it was found a long time after day 1. & about those cell phone records...Kim P seems pretty confident that LE has them all. I'm not so sure, because LE stated early on, that they were having some problems with technology. & I figured they meant with the phone pings, records, messages, & the time clock at PDM, & maybe surveilance at PDM & the store, & the red light etc...Also, on a side note...Kim P's name calling of Cobra, (I assume), lost her a lot of credibility, IMO. That kind of name calling is a personal dig, & this case isn't about those 2, regardless of what she thinks. & actually, those Cobra tapes are a gold mine.

RAY GUIDICE: I mean, you know you are making some enormous leaps of faith and you know right now if I was the defense lawyer in this I would say &#8220;Pick 12 tomorrow Mr. Prosecutor. Are you ready?&#8221; And I would venture they would say, they are not ready.

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[dodie20]

RAY GUIDICE: I mean, you know you are making some enormous leaps of faith and you know right now if I was the defense lawyer in this I would say “Pick 12 tomorrow Mr. Prosecutor. Are you ready?” And I would venture they would say, they are not ready.

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& I do believe Ray Gudice has this pegged exactly right. & the deal with Ron proves that. If he has committed some crime, (besides drug trafficking), & I'm guessing that he has, then LE offered him this deal because they need his information, to move forward. & Ron's a smart guy when it comes to looking out for himself, & he's sharp enough to know when the jig is up. But realistically, his deal isn't all that grand...it's not like all charges are being dropped in exchange for information. He's still looking at a lot of prison time, so I'm guessing that LE thinks he needs to be punished. They're not treating him like an innocent father whose butt got dragged into the trafficking, by Misty. which, (of course), makes me think of TN. I don't remember her exact words, but she made the comment that the best thing (for Ron?), would be for Haleigh to be found, so it's MOO, & this is just a GUESS, that Ron knows where Haleigh is. & TN knows Ron knows.

 

[lonetraveler]

how does Art know, through phone records, that Joe called Tommy? That call could've come from Chelsea or Timmy, or whoever, or been a call to Lindsey, etc...was it a text, signed with Joe's signature?

As far as I'm concerned the only valuable bit of information that came out of Art was the info about Joe using Chelsea's phone. I just want to know just how the heck, it is known that it was Joe who Tommy talked to? You are right! It could have been Timmy or Chelsea.

 

[lonetraveler]

Thank you for finding this. I went off reading elsewhere and completely forgot!
I was questioning my memory, couldn't recall what Shoemaker had said, that is why I wanted to find it, now I have my memory refreshed! Shoemaker did not state when the print system was put into use.

Yep! Defense Attorneys tend to do that, talk in half-truths whenever they can.................

 

[lonetraveler]

considering the stipulations on his deal, I think it's more than logical & fair for people to contemplate Ron's involvement. especially, considering that TN said that Misty dragged his butt into this, & then said that he, alone, managed to get her locked up...like that was his plan. (eye roll). so, there were a lot of people who were under the misguided impression, that Ron was working undercover, (& that still makes me lol a little). & I've actually read where some people think Ron accomplished his mission, & should be released from jail, so he can grieve in peace. but that's not happening. not by a long shot. & there's a reason LE set him up, & locked him up, & made his bond so high. & it's not because they believe every word he has told them...so, I don't really care what Shoemaker says about Ron's work hours or PDM's time clock. & I don't feel like deciphering LE's usual cryptic word games. But when this finally goes to court, I will be very interested to find out what hours Ron REALLY worked, what time he got to work, what breaks he took, & what time he got off. & how he managed to find the time, to stay on the phone, all night.

Great post! I hope that I haven't died of old age prior to this case ever coming to trial................LOL.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't recall her mentioning her cell phone but I'm beginning to think Ms. Chelsey has failed to mention quite a few things...

I totally agree. Chelsey also mentioned that she was up all night working on Insurance claim paperwork for the vehicle that was wrecked. I can't remember her exact words but she said something like, she had only been in bed for a very short time when the 4 am call came regarding Haleigh's disappearance. So, when did someone use her phone and van without her knowledge?

 

[Buterflytat]

I believe like many on here that Chelsea and Timmy know more about what happened to Haleigh as well. The point Lonetraveler made about how Chelsea did not know about the van being gone, if she was up so late; is a good one. "Chelsea protests too much" Some how she just doesn't seem credible in being able to tell the truth either. Misty seems close to both her brothers and the sister in laws; so I think they ALL know more than they ever have let on.

 

[bessie]

I'm not as confident in LE as Kim P seems to be. If they really had all that stuff, especially the forensic evidence, there shouldn't have been this huge time lapse. If LE has had the forensics since day 1, then how do they justify the Shell Harbor search? I'm guessing they went on Tommy's word, (Werter said so), but since that info didn't help him, I'm also guessing that little to nothing was found. But even if something was found, it was found a long time after day 1. & about those cell phone records...Kim P seems pretty confident that LE has them all. I'm not so sure, because LE stated early on, that they were having some problems with technology. & I figured they meant with the phone pings, records, messages, & the time clock at PDM, & maybe surveilance at PDM & the store, & the red light etc...Also, on a side note...Kim P's name calling of Cobra, (I assume), lost her a lot of credibility, IMO. That kind of name calling is a personal dig, & this case isn't about those 2, regardless of what she thinks. & actually, those Cobra tapes are a gold mine.

From NG's show on September 9, 2009, for what it's worth:

GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning -- this is just hours ago -- about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, "from scratch."

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html

Also, Bowling's statement regarding cell phones and "problems with the electronics" was in response to a question about Misty's cell phone and using GPS to trace her whereabouts. Yes, he was vague, but we probably shouldn't assume that he was referring to anyone's cell phone records except Misty's. My guess is that she had a batphone. Those records are often difficult to obtain, even for LE. Companies that offer prepaid wireless service lease phone numbers from large carriers, like Verizon. From what I understand, the records are somewhere, but pinpointing the server where they reside can be troublesome.

Once again, from Major Bowling on September 23, 2009:

Major Bowling also talked about Misty&#8217;s cell phone. Action News asked him if he could use GPS technology to track down exactly where Misty was the night Haleigh disappeared. Major Bowling wouldn&#8217;t go into details, but says they are investigating those facts.

There are some things we can do with electronics, and there were some problems with the electronics&#8230;that&#8217;s about as far as I can go into that&#8230;there&#8217;s some things were still working on trying to get cleared up in regards to electronic intelligence, said Major Bowling.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

 

[dodie20]

I can believe that Ron & Misty were arguing on the phone. That makes sense...what with the previous weekend & her not wanting to babysit. But what doesn't make sense, are all the calls & texts from Ron, but then him stopping for cigs, & then him going home & asking Misty why she was still up. & where does Ron's call to Tommy fit in? I wonder how Ron is explaining all of this to LE?

 

[justus4all]

I can believe that Ron & Misty were arguing on the phone. That makes sense...what with the previous weekend & her not wanting to babysit. But what doesn't make sense, are all the calls & texts from Ron, but then him stopping for cigs, & then him going home & asking Misty why she was still up. & where does Ron's call to Tommy fit in? I wonder how Ron is explaining all of this to LE?

I believe also they were arguing...

IMO. Misty was at the Magnolia residence..after picking up haleigh at the bus stop..Ron comes over and ..something happens..Haleigh is injured/killed..Ron rushes to his job..and now he is on the phone to Misty about clean up/cover up/help with cover up...IMO..he is having Misty handle all the "dirty work"..I can see her refusing to talk to him and not taking his calls...She is probably angry with him...

I do not believe they were arguing about babysitting...It was what he wanted her to do...about Haleigh..and the role to play..

IMO..Ron stopped at the convenience store to "be Seen" he was just getting off work...for his alibi..

IMO...I don't believe he went home and asked her why she was "still up.."That was just part of the "story"...

IMO..he had been trying to reach her to go over to the MH ..stay with the plan..to make the 911 call...

IMO...she didn't want to play ANY ROLE...in this cover up..

Those are just my opinions and thoughts..

Looking at reality...No One would make THAT MANY calls..(90)just to get someone to ACTUALLY come babysit...They would call others for the babysitting need..Ron NEEDED her to play a role for him....

all my own opinion...and my :twocents:

 

[krkrjx]

I believe also they were arguing...

IMO. Misty was at the Magnolia residence..after picking up haleigh at the bus stop..Ron comes over and ..something happens..Haleigh is injured/killed..Ron rushes to his job..and now he is on the phone to Misty about clean up/cover up/help with cover up...IMO..he is having Misty handle all the "dirty work"..I can see her refusing to talk to him and not taking his calls...She is probably angry with him...

I do not believe they were arguing about babysitting...It was what he wanted her to do...about Haleigh..and the role to play..

IMO..Ron stopped at the convenience store to "be Seen" he was just getting off work...for his alibi..

IMO...I don't believe he went home and asked her why she was "still up.."That was just part of the "story"...

IMO..he had been trying to reach her to go over to the MH ..stay with the plan..to make the 911 call...

IMO...she didn't want to play ANY ROLE...in this cover up..

Those are just my opinions and thoughts..

Looking at reality...No One would make THAT MANY calls..(90)just to get someone to ACTUALLY come babysit...They would call others for the babysitting need..Ron NEEDED her to play a role for him....

all my own opinion...and my :twocents:

Justus, I agree with your scenario with the exception of Misty's role. I think she played more of a minor role...the staging of the Green Lane MH, and claiming to be the babystitter, and making the 911 call. She was told to say she was asleep and knew nothing, because it has happened that kids were stolen from their beds while the rest of the family slept. So they decided to go with that.

I say this because I do not see Misty as the brightest bulb, and I think Ron knew that she wasn't. I have a hard time thinking he would leave the most crucial tasks up to Misty, even if she had help from her brothers. I think TN was more of a major player (and not just behind the scenes) than Misty. Misty's role was to make the 911 call and then make public statements to the effect that Haleigh was "stole" and she slept through it all.

Whatever happened has been covered up by them all but some played minor roles and thus had/have few facts, specifically of where Haleigh was taken. And we really do not have any way to know that Misty has not given some true information to LE by now. The problem is she cannot answer some pertinent questions--and that's because her role did not provide her with some important facts.

JMO.

 

[Crosby87]

& I do believe Ray Gudice has this pegged exactly right. & the deal with Ron proves that. If he has committed some crime, (besides drug trafficking), & I'm guessing that he has, then LE offered him this deal because they need his information, to move forward. & Ron's a smart guy when it comes to looking out for himself, & he's sharp enough to know when the jig is up. But realistically, his deal isn't all that grand...it's not like all charges are being dropped in exchange for information. He's still looking at a lot of prison time, so I'm guessing that LE thinks he needs to be punished. They're not treating him like an innocent father whose butt got dragged into the trafficking, by Misty. which, (of course), makes me think of TN. I don't remember her exact words, but she made the comment that the best thing (for Ron?), would be for Haleigh to be found, so it's MOO, & this is just a GUESS, that Ron knows where Haleigh is. & TN knows Ron knows.

I believe that is a crock and here is why. According to Kim Picazio, when LE confronted Ron with concrete information they gathered which suggested he was involved in his daughter’s disappearance, LE shut down this part of the investigation simply because Ronald said: “They are lying”. Why in the heck would they accept Ron's word as the Gospel truth? :banghead: I believe if LE followed up on the evidence that Kim talked about and Ron disputed, LE would have eventually found HaLeigh or had enough circumstantial evidence to charge and convict Ronald with. Many cases are solved by cops who trust their instincts and it appears these instincts have been suppressed in those working on HaLeigh Cummings case. Even Ron’s character witnesses at his sentencing hearing will be bias. Will Ron’s previous drug charges and other offences be mentioned at his sentencing hearing?

Kim Picazio said Misty refused to go in to talk to LE, but we know she was picked up by LE and questioned on several occasions and she was willing to cooperate until she was yelled at. Yet when LE confronted Ronald Cummings with concrete information they had about him, they refused to stand up to him and they backed off. LE appears to have accepted everything Ronald said as the truth and everything anyone else says as a pack of lies.

Kim Picazio’s comment about Ronald smirking and putting the screws to Misty while he was on his knees holding his daughter’s photo makes me suspect Ronald planned HaLeigh’s disappearance to make Misty pay for her rendezvous with Gregory Page although Ronald adamantly denies he was hurt. If Ron planned to abduct HaLeigh from her bed, he had to keep tabs on Misty’s whereabouts that entire evening IMO. It would be nice to know who else Ronald called Monday evening besides Misty and Tommy. I think Ron keeps his hurt feelings to himself so when Misty hurt him, he devised a plan to stab her in the back.

Levi Page asked Raymond Guidice, “If you were representing Ronald, would you be advising him to be giving up information now? And Raymond’s reply was, “You know I really wouldn’t”. So I’m hoping this error in judgment by Mr. Shoemaker will cost Ronald.

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KIM PICAZIO: Well I’ll tell you, that when I was on this case, and I have said this on the News many times, that Ronald was refusing to go into Law Enforcement, he wouldn’t go in to cooperate with regard to his child, he would not go in, and neither would Misty, so he had lawyered up very early, even before we even knew publicly that there were criminal lawyers involved. There were, and we were getting lots of frustrating comments etc by Law Enforcement because if no one talks in Florida and in all of the States, you cannot just bring someone in by the hair, and force them to undergo interrogation, it is not how it works in the Unites States. So, unless they had something to charge him with, they could not bring him in and force him to talk; and he didn’t, which was very telling to everybody watching this case. Why isn’t this guy helping find his child? Why isn’t he helping? And I do know that also, as I was in my private investigations looking for this missing child, there were many times we would run into information that was concrete, dead on. We would have those people brought into LE or encourage them to go into LE. LE many of times would already have the information, or maybe we could just supplement it, and LE on each time would sometimes confront Ronald and he would say “they are lying”. That is all they would get, “they’re lying”. This is a guy who even withheld from Misty on the day after his child is missing, he is on his knees crying with HaLeigh’s photo to the cameras, yet he turns around and smirks at Misty and is asking her if she has something to tell him with regard to her fantastic weekend. He was actually more concerned about putting the screws to his girlfriend that she had been sleeping around that weekend with a Gregory Page, than his missing child! That was what he was worried about.

LEVI PAGE: Let me say something here for a minute. Let’s bring in Crystal Sheffield, and let’s see what she has to say about Ronald, let’s bring in Marie Griffiths, let’s also bring in his ex-girlfriend that he has a child by, which he is a deadbeat dad, Amber Brookes. So let’s bring all those people in and let’s have them testify and let’s see what they have to say about Ronald. It’s probably not going to be good. But I want to go to Ray Guidice; you are a Criminal Defense Attorney, what if you were representing Ronald, would you be advising him to be giving up information now?

RAY GUIDICE: You know I really wouldn’t and I will tell you why. I think I would take my chances on sentencing on the drug case first, see how well, or poorly, we did at that sentencing hearing, and then decide whether or not I had a good proffer, as was expertly described earlier by prior counsel as to what it is procedurally; he can always make that proffer after sentencing. And that sentencing whatever he gets, can always be downgraded or resentenced if he really has a nugget or a gem of information. So, I think I would hold off, keep my powder dry at this point in time. Second problem is, I think, that if I was on the State Attorney’s side, I’d say, ‘Wait a second, and you know Levi I love you, but you have led the charge of calling the dad a liar etc, etc, for the last year and a half, now who exactly is going to believe his new story on the eve of sentencing? That story comes with quite frankly a suit of dirty smelly clothing on it. So, if I was his counsel, I think I would hold tight, and unless and really “Queen for a Day” is a great description of the blue light special, unless I was really ‘get out of jail free pass’ getting, I don’t think I‘d testify right now. I think I’d sit tight because I really do think good lawyers in the State Attorney’s office, the prosecutor’s office, are going to say, “Hey wait a second, it is awful darn convenient that after all this time on the eve of sentencing he now finally going to cough it up”. I don’t think a whole lot of people are believing that. I’m not.

 

[justus4all]

Justus, I agree with your scenario with the exception of Misty's role. I think she played more of a minor role...the staging of the Green Lane MH, and claiming to be the babystitter, and making the 911 call. She was told to say she was asleep and knew nothing, because it has happened that kids were stolen from their beds while the rest of the family slept. So they decided to go with that.

I say this because I do not see Misty as the brightest bulb, and I think Ron knew that she wasn't. I have a hard time thinking he would leave the most crucial tasks up to Misty, even if she had help from her brothers. I think TN was more of a major player (and not just behind the scenes) than Misty. Misty's role was to make the 911 call and then make public statements to the effect that Haleigh was "stole" and she slept through it all.

Whatever happened has been covered up by them all but some played minor roles and thus had/have few facts, specifically of where Haleigh was taken. And we really do not have any way to know that Misty has not given some true information to LE by now. The problem is she cannot answer some pertinent questions--and that's because her role did not provide her with some important facts.

JMO.

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Yes, you are making a very good point...Misty probably does not knowall the information that the LE want...And also, you bring up a good point..We do NOT know what she has told the LE..that HAS BEEN TRUTHFUL...We have Just have heard plenty..that she lied..

But, IMO she knows ENOUGH.....enough that TN and Ron worry she will talk...and say that they were all in on it ...doing various cover-ups for their parts..and yes, Misty did provide the minor role...

IMO, Ron left the dirty work to her, since he HAD to be seen and witnessed he was ELSEWHERE..at that time..WHAT A GUY!!!!

It will be interesting to see what happens to Ron in court soon.

all in my own opinion

 

[krkrjx]

unlined by me...

Yes, you are making a very good point...Misty probably does not knowall the information that the LE want...And also, you bring up a good point..We do NOT know what she has told the LE..that HAS BEEN TRUTHFUL...We have Just have heard plenty..that she lied..

But, IMO she knows ENOUGH.....enough that TN and Ron worry she will talk...and say that they were all in on it ...doing various cover-ups for their parts..and yes, Misty did provide the minor role...

IMO, Ron left the dirty work to her, since he HAD to be seen and witnessed he was ELSEWHERE..at that time..WHAT A GUY!!!!

It will be interesting to see what happens to Ron in court soon.

all in my own opinion

Oh yes! I agree! I think Misty could tell LE some info that would raise their eyebrows in RC's and TN's direction. She may already have! I just hope that if Misty really was not the cause of Haleigh's demise that she does not allow herself to go down on some delusion that Ronald will love her for it.

I know how crazy that sounds but believe me, young girls are delusional about love more often than not. Misty has already commented that she knows Ron and TN used her. If her attorney is worth his salt he will encourage Misty to not lose sight of that reality.

 

[justus4all]

Oh yes! I agree! I think Misty could tell LE some info that would raise their eyebrows in RC's and TN's direction. She may already have! I just hope that if Misty really was not the cause of Haleigh's demise that she does not allow herself to go down on some delusion that Ronald will love her for it.

I know how crazy that sounds but believe me, young girls are delusional about love more often than not. Misty has already commented that she knows Ron and TN used her. If her attorney is worth his salt he will encourage Misty to not lose sight of that reality.

underlined by me...

I hope she was not the cause, either...

IMO, It was Ron that caused it.....His atty said that Ron left EARLY that day for work....

IMO, He had to be witnessed somewhere else ..... away from his home.....near that time

IMO..If it has been Misty that caused it, ...why would he have to place himself elsewhere ...away from his home..near the time...??

all in my own opinion

 

[krkrjx]

underlined by me...

I hope she was not the cause, either...

IMO, It was Ron that caused it.....His atty said that Ron left EARLY that day for work....

IMO, He had to be witnessed somewhere else ..... away from his home.....near that time

IMO..If it has been Misty that caused it, ...why would he have to place himself elsewhere ...away from his home..near the time...??

all in my own opinion

I don't see Misty--or anyone--being the perp and Ron letting them get away with it. Unless it is TN; he might cover for her.

I see Ron as responsible in some way. His behavior immediately after Haleigh's disappearance spoke volumes. An innocent father of a missing child does not marry the person believed to be the last to see his daughter. The idea of that would horrify an innocent father. And even after their divorce R and M were thick as thieves.

I see lots of hink where Mr. Cummings is concerned, and I hope the SA sees it too.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Oh yes! I agree! I think Misty could tell LE some info that would raise their eyebrows in RC's and TN's direction. She may already have! I just hope that if Misty really was not the cause of Haleigh's demise that she does not allow herself to go down on some delusion that Ronald will love her for it.

I know how crazy that sounds but believe me, young girls are delusional about love more often than not. Misty has already commented that she knows Ron and TN used her. If her attorney is worth his salt he will encourage Misty to not lose sight of that reality.

BBM... I like this idea a lot Kr. Maybe she has wised up some as she has dried out. She may have already given LE a lot on TN and RC, and that's why things have started moving as they are.:woohoo: