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[Nonni Brenda]

bolded by me...EXACTLY....

IMO...It was Ron's daughter...and he had to devise to quick plan to get her...away from the crime scene..and located elsewhere..

IMO...yes.......He was the reason...the OTHERS became involved..

IMO...Also, I am thinking...since just here recently Ron HAS ADMITTED that there was a fight ....and a gun involved..if that plays a role....in Haleigh's death...Since he is going to be now "giving up information" to the SA...that admitting to a fight..is the beginning..of filling in the blanks...
Hmmmmmmmmm....

Yes, and I do believe we will hear a lot more about the gun and the fight.

 

[Emeralgem]

I agree with you, if he were guilty someone would have turned on him by now. Nothing is stopping them at this point, rehashing his work hours is like beating a dead horse IMO

Not necessarily so..I would think a lot depends on just what their involvement was that night..Also, Ron C and some of his family members could still present to be a threat to them and their family members...JMHO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Not necessarily so..I would think a lot depends on just what their involvement was that night..Also, Ron C and some of his family members could still present to be a threat to them and their family members...JMHO

I agree. It's like a chess game. One move at a time.:crazy:

 

[Emeralgem]

This is why, IMO, Tommy or Misty haven't turned on Ron. They're guiltier than he is. The only way they can squeal on him, is by confessing to their own wrongdoings, & they're not ready to do that, & I think there is a good possibility that Ron was in on a cover-up. It takes more than not murdering your child, to make you a good parent. So, even if Ron isn't the killer, that doesn't mean he did nothing else wrong. If LE had been buying his story, they could've charged him with 1 trafficking count, & a few minors, & then dropped them all later. I don't see this case as an all or nothing situation. It's MOO, that even the non killers are as guilty as sin .

BBM.. ONLY because they willingly allowed themselves to be conned and manipulated by Ronald Cummings into cleaning up the crime scene, setting up someone else to dispose of the body and staging an abduction scene at another location rather than calling 911 immediately when the incident took place.....
What did Ron C do after he killed Haleigh? I suspect he called his momma, his grandma and hightailed it in to work so he could have an alibi..
I also suspect he used every trick in the book to assure them they could get away with this.. Telling them they would never be suspected of anything..And the whole time while he was asking for their help he was planning to frame and set them all up.. Yep, The Croslin's are definitely not too bright...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think they are hiding anything, they owe us nothing at this point. This is not the 1st case that LE has kept info "close to the vest"

Sorry, but I see it differently, IF there is nothing to hide, why not reveal the truth...IMHO.. Ron Cummings should demand they reveal the truth as to what his hours were that night...He should demand they reveal when he clocked in and what time he clocked out...He should demand the witnesses who can account for every minute he was there that night come forward and clear his name too...JMHO..

 

[Emeralgem]

Why would RC, TN and GGS kill Haleigh by all accounts they seemed to love her. I am not holding up for RC's lifestyle which I do believe caused harm to Haleigh but I don't think he killed her and these women covered it up. They may have covered him for lots of things but murdering Haleigh I just don't see it . Again IMO

I don't believe TN or GGMS killed Haleigh..And in reference as to WHY Ron C killed Haleigh I suspect there isn't an answer other than Haleigh paid the ultimate price due to his out of control..wannabe thugish bad azz temper..
And I can see his mother and his grandmother all covering for him too.. They knew he would go to jail and he would lose Jr...
BTW.. To my knowledge not too many here refer to Ronald Cummings as having murdered Haleigh...I know I don't.. But I do believe he is the one who is responsible for her being deceased...IMHO..He did it..He is the one responsible for killing her... I do not believe he purposely killed her...IMHO.. Thats WHY he had..... "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME" put on his truck... JMHO
His family has reconciled themselves to the fact it was an accident...Problem as I see it... They don't want Ron C to suffer any earthly consequences due to his actions... They would prefer someone else take the fall for what he did...And they don't care who it is that frys just as long as it isn't their Ronald or the lies they have told aren't exposed... Now how pathetic is that?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

BBM.. ONLY because they willingly allowed themselves to be conned and manipulated by Ronald Cummings into cleaning up the crime scene, setting up someone else to dispose of the body and staging an abduction scene at another location rather than calling 911 immediately when the incident took place.....
What did Ron C do after he killed Haleigh? I suspect he called his momma, his grandma and hightailed it in to work so he could have an alibi..
I also suspect he used every trick in the book to assure them they could get away with this.. Telling them they would never be suspected of anything..And the whole time while he was asking for their help he was planning to frame and set them all up.. Yep, The Croslin's are definitely not too bright...JMHO

Kerrrrrect! MHO

 

[krkrjx]

I don't believe TN or GGMS killed Haleigh..And in reference as to WHY Ron C killed Haleigh I suspect there isn't an answer other than Haleigh paid the ultimate price due to his out of control..wannabe thugish bad azz temper..
And I can see his mother and his grandmother all covering for him too.. They knew he would go to jail and he would lose Jr...
BTW.. To my knowledge not too many here refer to Ronald Cummings as having murdered Haleigh...I know I don't.. But I do believe he is the one who is responsible for her being deceased...IMHO..He did it..He is the one responsible for killing her... I do not believe he purposely killed her...IMHO.. Thats WHY he had..... "ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME" put on his truck... JMHO
His family has reconciled themselves to the fact it was an accident...Problem as I see it... They don't want Ron C to suffer any earthly consequences due to his actions... They would prefer someone else take the fall for what he did...And they don't care who it is that frys just as long as it isn't their Ronald... Now how pathetic is that?

I agree, and possibly it was not their initial intent but evolved into this--the bolded part. I believe that at first they all thought Haleigh missing would get maybe a little local coverage and would then just fade away, with no one being the wiser and no one pressing for very long for answers. I think the cover-up may have grown into what you describe when it did not just fade away. For me, that explains the Cummings clan rallying around Misty initially, only to turn on her later.

JMO.

 

[bessie]

Sorry, but I see it differently, IF there is nothing to hide, why not reveal the turth...IMHO.. Ron Cummings should demand they reveal the truth as to what his hours were that night...He should demand they reveal when he clocked in and what time he clocked out...He should demand the witnesses who can account for every minute he was there that night come forward and clear his name too...JMHO..

How would he do that?

If LE did officially state that Ron clocked in at 4:30-5 and clocked out at 3am, and co-workers publicly stated that they saw him on the premises throughout the night, what would that prove since you and so many others -- including myself to some degree since I haven't ruled it out -- contend that whatever happened occurred before Ron went to work?

On more than one occassion, LE has stated that Ron is not a POI. Still, many choose not to believe it.

We've seen statements like this one from AH:

So far, Cummings has a solid alibi. Not only do co-workers like Zastrow tell police they recall him on property, even taking his dinner break in the cafeteria, but The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that Cummings cell phone pings came from cell towers by the steel plant.

“We had two phone pings that show he never left the plant,” a lead law enforcement investigator on the case tells me in an exclusive interview. “There’s a cell tower that covers the plant and it hits when he gets there…We don’t have pings from any other tower” during his shift. “And we have people who saw him there throughout the night, as secondary backup.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/comment-page-1/

I know this is far from an official statement, but the fact that AH writes it as a direct quote from his source, lends it some credibility in my eyes. Yet, all this tells us is that Ron was at work. It does not preclude an earlier event. Therefore, imo, Ron's presence at work is a moot point. It neither proves nor disproves Ron's involvement.

Unless, there is an objective eyewitness who can testify that Haleigh was alive and well and popping wheelies at 5:00. That still doesn't rule out an injury inflicted earlier in the day, but a later timeline becomes more likely.

 

[Searchfortruth]

How would he do that?

If LE did officially state that Ron clocked in at 4:30-5 and clocked out at 3am, and co-workers publicly stated that they saw him on the premises throughout the night, what would that prove since you and so many others -- including myself to some degree since I haven't ruled it out -- contend that whatever happened occurred before Ron went to work?

On more than one occassion, LE has stated that Ron is not a POI. Still, many choose not to believe it.

We've seen statements like this one from AH:

So far, Cummings has a solid alibi. Not only do co-workers like Zastrow tell police they recall him on property, even taking his dinner break in the cafeteria, but The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that Cummings cell phone pings came from cell towers by the steel plant.

“We had two phone pings that show he never left the plant,” a lead law enforcement investigator on the case tells me in an exclusive interview. “There’s a cell tower that covers the plant and it hits when he gets there…We don’t have pings from any other tower” during his shift. “And we have people who saw him there throughout the night, as secondary backup.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/comment-page-1/

I know this is far from an official statement, but the fact that AH writes it as a direct quote from his source, lends it some credibility in my eyes. Yet, all this tells us is that Ron was at work. It does not preclude an earlier event. Therefore, imo, Ron's presence at work is a moot point. It neither proves nor disproves Ron's involvement.

Unless, there is an objective eyewitness who can testify that Haleigh was alive and well and popping wheelies at 5:00. That still doesn't rule out an injury inflicted earlier in the day, but a later timeline becomes more likely.

When Haleigh disappeared, the Caylee case had been going on for quite a while. I would be very surprised if one of these players had not heard about the case and the talk about her cell phone pings. Ron could have left that cell at work and escaped for a trip home in the middle of the night. IDK for sure if this happened, but I can't buy his alibi until I hear it directly from LE or the prosecutor.

 

[Emeralgem]

How would he do that?

If LE did officially state that Ron clocked in at 4:30-5 and clocked out at 3am, and co-workers publicly stated that they saw him on the premises throughout the night, what would that prove since you and so many others -- including myself to some degree since I haven't ruled it out -- contend that whatever happened occurred before Ron went to work?On more than one occassion, LE has stated that Ron is not a POI. Still, many choose not to believe it.

We've seen statements like this one from AH:

So far, Cummings has a solid alibi. Not only do co-workers like Zastrow tell police they recall him on property, even taking his dinner break in the cafeteria, but The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that Cummings cell phone pings came from cell towers by the steel plant.

“We had two phone pings that show he never left the plant,” a lead law enforcement investigator on the case tells me in an exclusive interview. “There’s a cell tower that covers the plant and it hits when he gets there…We don’t have pings from any other tower” during his shift. “And we have people who saw him there throughout the night, as secondary backup.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/comment-page-1/

I know this is far from an official statement, but the fact that AH writes it as a direct quote from his source, lends it some credibility in my eyes. Yet, all this tells us is that Ron was at work. It does not preclude an earlier event. Therefore, imo, Ron's presence at work is a moot point. It neither proves nor disproves Ron's involvement. Unless, there is an objective eyewitness who can testify that Haleigh was alive and well and popping wheelies at 5:00. That still doesn't rule out an injury inflicted earlier in the day, but a later timeline becomes more likely.

OK.. It's a moot point..

 

[bessie]

When Haleigh disappeared, the Caylee case had been going on for quite a while. I would be very surprised if one of these players had not heard about the case and the talk about her cell phone pings. Ron could have left that cell at work and escaped for a trip home in the middle of the night. IDK for sure if this happened, but I can't buy his alibi until I hear it directly from LE or the prosecutor.

That's certainly possible, but then what would've been the purpose for the trip home in the middle of the night?

For the record, I'm not trying to defend Ron or anyone else. I have no favorite in this race except little Haleigh. In trying to understand the truth about what happened to her, I feel compelled to pick apart every detail and question when the facts don't add up. But you're right. Without official statements from LE and without seeing the evidence, we can only. That's why I try to keep my mind open to all the possibilities as long as there are facts that support them and no facts that refute them.

 

[Searchfortruth]

That's certainly possible, but then what would've been the purpose for the trip home in the middle of the night?

For the record, I'm not trying to defend Ron or anyone else. I have no favorite in this race except little Haleigh. In trying to understand the truth about what happened to her, I feel compelled to pick apart every detail and question when the facts don't add up. But you're right. Without official statements from LE and without seeing the evidence, we can only. That's why I try to keep my mind open to all the possibilities as long as there are facts that support them and no facts that refute them.

I also wish we had more facts in this case. I once believed that the lack of facts would eventually lead to justice for Haleigh, I'm not so sure of that anymore.

If Ron did leave work during the night, I would imagine that it was done to direct the cover up. I can't see Ron leaving Misty and Tommy (or any of the others) to dispose of Haleigh, without his direction. He seems to need control. But, as usual this is just more speculation.

 

[viedow]

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

I have stated this before so I may sound like a broken record but I read so much more into this statement. Shauland, is answering this question but also saying that this does not mean that he is not guilty of something. Read between the lines of this statement. If Shauland was completely satisfied that Ronald did not do it than he would have said Ronald was at work during the timeline of when Haleigh went missing. The added statement of we don't know what happened and we don't know when it happened is telling. I have always thought this, especially the part of we don't know when it happened. When it happened is telling .... I think he suspected right their work was established as an alibi... Misty was the key and he figured she would be an easy key to break.... but they underestimated the addiction she had to Ron and that Ron had over the family. Getting them all in jail for the drugs was a good move and might be working. I think they thought it would have worked by now. Now they have RC giving up on himself or the others to get out of the drug charges bc his lawyer thinks he can get less time on the murder charges or he got ammunity on some things and will get less time. It is all I can think of now. This is all in my opinion of course!

Curious G

 

[krkrjx]

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

I have stated this before so I may sound like a broken record but I read so much more into this statement. Shauland, is answering this question but also saying that this does not mean that he is not guilty of something. Read between the lines of this statement. If Shauland was completely satisfied that Ronald did not do it than he would have said Ronald was at work during the timeline of when Haleigh went missing. The added statement of we don't know what happened and we don't know when it happened is telling. I have always thought this, especially the part of we don't know when it happened. When it happened is telling .... I think he suspected right their work was established as an alibi... Misty was the key and he figured she would be an easy key to break.... but they underestimated the addiction she had to Ron and that Ron had over the family. Getting them all in jail for the drugs was a good move and might be working. I think they thought it would have worked by now. Now they have RC giving up on himself or the others to get out of the drug charges bc his lawyer thinks he can get less time on the murder charges or he got ammunity on some things and will get less time. It is all I can think of now. This is all in my opinion of course!

Curious G

I agree LE is not taking Ron's work hours as an alibi. It would be impossible for them to consider it as such if they do not even know when the crime occurred. IOW, all LE has ever said is we know his work hours and are satisfied with them...they never said his work hours clear him.

I am not so sure, though, that Ron is giving up anything now, at least not yet. He is probably just going through the motions of answering questions but I do not see Ron freely talking about anything that could actually be proven. I hope I am wrong but if I am not, the drug sentences may be the only form of justice Haleigh gets.

As for immunity, Ron might get immunity for whatever involvement he may have with a stolen or illegal/unregistered firearm or maybe other illegal activities that could lead to answers re Haleigh, but I do not see him getting immunity for actual involvement in Haleigh's demise. And on that, I hope I am not wrong.

 

[Bathbuddys]

I'm sorry, but IMO, there is no way, in this whole world , that Ron was waiting for Misty to tell the truth or hang herself. I can't believe that so many people fell for his 'keeping his enemies close' hogwash. He married Misty, hung out with her, lived with her, slept with her, sold drugs with her, vacationed with her...& he loved her. That was obvious...at least to me. He watched her like a hawk, because he did NOT want her to slip up & implicate him or herself, IMO. Remember his message to her about Donna Brock? Remember her message to him about Cobra? Whatever happened, they were in on this together.

I don't think that Ron thought that Misty did anything until later. I also feel that IF he did have something to do with it, at her age, she would have told the police and the whole world when he divorced her. I also think that she threatened to leave with her family if he didn't marry her and he wanted her close. I got married at 19 for less reason that that....lol

 

[Bathbuddys]

[Snipped]

Perhaps, but I am certain that I wouldn't be out mudbogging and shooting the finger at the mother's side when I was responsible for losing her child that was my responsibilty to protect. In fact, I'd be feeling a little guilty about that, but that's just me.

I didn't hear or see that one? it sounds like you and a couple others have had the opportunity to be there to meet and talk to these people and see them in action so maybe you are seeing things I am not. I don't live there but it sounds like childish behavior to me and no one can stop living their lives when they have another child and family to take care of. I hope I never lose a child or grandchild as I am not so sure how I would act. I do know that when I have lost loved ones in the past, I cried, I laughed hysterically, I got drunk and went out dancing at their ages just to not deal with what was really going on. I am also afraid that I would have ended up in prison if I could get ahold or suspect someone of taking my daughter. Or grandchild. I personaly feel they have all held it together a lot better than i or my family would have.... just sayin.

 

[1Chump]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.
LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that.

As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

Do you have link to Shoemaker getting his information from LE and not just Ron?

Because in March, 2009, both Ron and LE stated that Ron was no longer cooperating with LE on advice of his attorney. LE has stated that Ron refused to come in and answer their questions.

From my experience, when LE has questions of someone, they do not give any information to that person's attorney. So I find it extremely hard to believe LE would give Shoemaker any information regarding any potential evidence.

Actually, even when LE does not have questions of someone, they do not share information with anyone because they want to make a case. Even if they have cleared someone, they keep their investigation close to the vest and do not share. If they share and that information gets out, it could hurt them in getting a conviction

 

[dodie20]

Do you have link to Shoemaker getting his information from LE and not just Ron?

Because in March, 2009, both Ron and LE stated that Ron was no longer cooperating with LE on advice of his attorney. LE has stated that Ron refused to come in and answer their questions.

From my experience, when LE has questions of someone, they do not give any information to that person's attorney. So I find it extremely hard to believe LE would give Shoemaker any information regarding any potential evidence.

Actually, even when LE does not have questions of someone, they do not share information with anyone because they want to make a case. Even if they have cleared someone, they keep their investigation close to the vest and do not share. If they share and that information gets out, it could hurt them in getting a conviction

right...if LE had told the lawyer, he would've told Ron, he would've told his mom, & so on. & that's not a put down, because that's exactly what I'd do too. & in almost every case I keep up with, the victim's family is hurt, because LE doesn't share news, so they think the case isn't going anywhere, but then presto!!! an arrest. & I can understand the family's pain, because that's their loved one, & the cops didn't even know her/him.

 

[1Chump]

How would he do that?

If LE did officially state that Ron clocked in at 4:30-5 and clocked out at 3am, and co-workers publicly stated that they saw him on the premises throughout the night, what would that prove since you and so many others -- including myself to some degree since I haven't ruled it out -- contend that whatever happened occurred before Ron went to work?

On more than one occassion, LE has stated that Ron is not a POI. Still, many choose not to believe it.

We've seen statements like this one from AH:

So far, Cummings has a solid alibi. Not only do co-workers like Zastrow tell police they recall him on property, even taking his dinner break in the cafeteria, but The Bald Truth has learned exclusively that Cummings cell phone pings came from cell towers by the steel plant.

“We had two phone pings that show he never left the plant,” a lead law enforcement investigator on the case tells me in an exclusive interview. “There’s a cell tower that covers the plant and it hits when he gets there…We don’t have pings from any other tower” during his shift. “And we have people who saw him there throughout the night, as secondary backup.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/comment-page-1/

I know this is far from an official statement, but the fact that AH writes it as a direct quote from his source, lends it some credibility in my eyes. Yet, all this tells us is that Ron was at work. It does not preclude an earlier event. Therefore, imo, Ron's presence at work is a moot point. It neither proves nor disproves Ron's involvement.

Unless, there is an objective eyewitness who can testify that Haleigh was alive and well and popping wheelies at 5:00. That still doesn't rule out an injury inflicted earlier in the day, but a later timeline becomes more likely.

Wow....that statement is very interesting. The way it reads....his cell pinged twice. On the way in and on the way out. So they are assuming he was there all night.

However, a cell phone emits a signal every few minutes to the nearest tower. If Ron was at work all night, he should have had more like a hundred "pings" not just twice.