Lin Wood on the Today Show, 12/29/03

[BlueCrab]

The JonBenet Ramsey murder is definitely a DNA case. If DNA is found at the crime scene then it's a DNA case.

I don't know what the recent improvements have been regarding DNA testing procedures, but I'm sure there have been some. They probably involve reducing or eliminating the stutter effect in PCR DNA analyses, thus providing more reliable alleles to be included in the sample.

We should accept the fact that John and Patsy in effect have been cleared by DNA results. That leaves Burke or an intruder. IMO the intruder would have to be someone invited into the house by a Ramsey. Otherwise, why all of the Ramsey lies and the obvious coverup?

Just my opinion.

BlueCrab

 

[Sabrina]

WOOD: Well, actually, it particular DNA was extracted from a spot of blood found on JonBenet's underwear in 1999, and it was known at that time that the DNA from that spot of blood was high quality, right at the necessary standard to meet the FBI DNA data bank requirements, but the Boulder Police Department did not pursue that DNA. It was only last December of last year when Mary Keenan, the district attorney, took the case away from the Boulder Police Department and brought the investigation under her jurisdiction, that she made pursuing the DNA her number one priority to get that DNA into the FBI data bank, which was finally done this November. So it could have been done long ago.

O'BRIEN: So the first blood -- spot of blood that was found was tested in 1997. This second sample that we're talking about was tested in 1999, as you say. Where has it been all this time? It's been on a shelf somewhere?

WOOD: Basically sitting on the shelf of the Boulder Police Department. I don't know where they keep the actual specimen, but the profile was there, it was available from 1999 on, it's a quality specimen, it meets the stringent requirements of the FBI database, and it will eventually solve this crime. When you find the match to this DNA profile, you will find the killer of JonBenet Ramsey.


I just reread Beckner's deposition. No where does it state that the DNA was CODIS or was not CODIS certified. It does state the later discovered DNA, called DNAX was most likely compared to the samples of possible suspects, it was being handled by the CBI or FBI lab and they would have to be contacted for exact specifics in 2000 so this is probably what Wood is referring to as 1999 as it could take several months to test.

Maybe there is another source for Wood's statements? Does anyone know what that is?

 

[Shylock]

We should accept the fact that John and Patsy in effect have been cleared by DNA results.

BlueCrab, maybe you didn't hear while you were away, but supposedly the BPD tested new undies of the type JB was wearing and they had DNA on them right out of the factory package. That means that Sum Yung Gai in a Asian garment factory is leaving his DNA on the clothing when it's being manufactured. Maybe his hands are sweating while he works over a steam press...who knows, who cares.

So your comment is false. There is NO WAY John or Patsy can be "cleared" by something that can't be proven to even be related to the case.

 

[Barbara]

I agree K777angel. Lin is brilliant in his absurdity

"SOMEONE will not be able to sit idly by and let this charade go on. In time - he will be confronted publicly with his BS and made to look like the charlatin he is."

I'm only hoping that he will step over the line and speak Keenan's name one too many times inappropriately and she will be forced to slap him down in public. Or maybe there is that one expert who is not afraid to speak out on the real issues AND the station willing to put him/her on the air to make mincemeat out of Lin.

I think those are the only options available at this point in time

Lin Wood:
"But I believe that the days of--of accusing this family are over. Without any question, they're over."

They'll never be over Lin

 

[Ivy]

As long as Lin Wood and the Ramseys hold the city of Boulder hostage under the threat of a lawsuit, I doubt that DA Keenan will ever openly object to Wood using her name while defending the Ramseys.

I hope I'm wrong, but I cannot think of any expert who would be willing to take Wood on and risk being sued.

The whole thing is an outrage.

Now that the DNA sample has been turned over to the FBI, is the re-investigation that Wood demanded finished, or will the city of Boulder be forced to foot the bill for more bogus investigative work?

 

[K777angel]

Bluecrab - It is not correct to say that simply because DNA is found at a crime scene that means it is a "DNA case." It depends on if that DNA belongs to the perp or not!

In the Ramsey case, there is a most likely explanation that the fleck of DNA found in JonBenet's panties was NOT that of the perp but transfer DNA flecks from the factory worker packing the undies. Makes total sense. Especially in light of the fact that all there WAS, was only a little fleck and not more - as you would expect with the time the perp spent killing and staging on this little girl.
It would be no surprise if her family's DNA might be on her or her clothing (except for sperm of course which should never be there!). They most likely held her hand or even helped her change her clothes or helped her in the bathroom. It could be easily argued by their defense attorney why it is there.

The bottom line is this: Just because a fleck of DNA does not - or MIGHT NOT (this has not even been confirmed by a reliable source) "match" or belong to John, Patsy or Burke - DOES NOT mean they were not involved in and responsible for the crime.
Explain then Mr. Wood how Mrs. Ramsey's jacket fibers were discovered ENTWINED in the knots in the cord around JonBenet's neck!
Or in the paint tote and on the sticky side of the tape when she claims to never have been near it.
The list goes on.
To dwell on this DNA thing is nothing but a grand PR move.
In no way, shape or form does it clear the Ramseys - EVEN IF it is not their DNA.

 

[Britt]

The JonBenet Ramsey murder is definitely a DNA case. If DNA is found at the crime scene then it's a DNA case.

But BlueCrab, wouldn't the DNA which was submitted to the FBI database have also already been compared to Ramsey friends? If it matched Doug Stine or another friend, wouldn't investigators know this by now?

K777angel - excellent posts.

 

[Sabrina]

Blue Crab, What makes you think they did not test Burke's DNA? Even if they didn't, (and you can be insured they did) are you aware that they could look at a DNA profile and determine if the person is an offspring of John or Patsy...

Blue Crab also said:
"If DNA is found at the crime scene then it's a DNA case."

Not true. Many things are often found at crime scenes which have nothing to do with the crime. They are just there.

For example, there was an unidentified human hair underneath Danielle Van Dam's body, did not belong to Westerfield- WHO WAS CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH WITH OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE POINTING DIRECTLY TO HIM- THE CASE WILL NEVER WIN AN APPEAL.

Two probable scenarios for the DNA are:

a. Someone in Korea spit in the panties and a minute amount of this DNA also got under JonBenet's nails from toileting or scratching.

b. Dna got under JonBenet's nails from a playmate a few days prior- she did not bthe for 2 days that we know about nor does she wash her hands often, nor does her mother make her wash her hands (this is stated by Patsy in the NE book)

 

[Ivy]

Have the other panties in the package from which the "DNA panties" were taken been tested for DNA? If not, why not? They should be, and if there's DNA on them, that DNA should be compared to the DNA sample that was given to the FBI. If the sample DNA matches DNA from any of the panties that were still in the package, investigators are searching in the wrong country for the donor of the DNA.

 

[BlueCrab]

What is the source that states the foreign male DNA under the fingernails does NOT match the foreign male DNA in the panties? Lou Smit says it matches.

What is the source that states the foreign male DNA in the panties could be from a factory worker in Asia? That sounds ludicrous to me.

The foreign male DNA in JonBenet's panties was mixed with her blood and showed up in two blood spots in the crotch of the panties she was wearing when found murdered. It was determined that the foreign DNA was from one and perhaps two males, but not from John Ramsey. That virtually clears John and Patsy because there is other exculpatory evidence in their favor.

The results of Burke's DNA tests have never been released or commented upon by anyone in authority, so Burke is a question mark. There appears to be no exculpatory evidence in Burke's favor.

Just my opinion.

BlueCrab

 

[Britt]

What is the source that states the foreign male DNA in the panties could be from a factory worker in Asia? That sounds ludicrous to me.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/ramsey/article/0,1299,DRMN_1296_1554639,00.html

 

[Blazeboy3]

I query as to how Woody seems to be so much into the 'inside' loop, when Keenan has avowed such secrecy in her 'new' investigation with those old tired eyes....errrr, NEW fresh eyes, I'm sorry, looking into this case.

Only two gain from Woody's actions, himself and the R couple. Poor JonBenet gets lost in it all. It seems to be all about 'them', which is probably what caused JB's death in the first place.

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[Blazeboy3]

What is the source that states the foreign male DNA under the fingernails does NOT match the foreign male DNA in the panties? Lou Smit says it matches.

What is the source that states the foreign male DNA in the panties could be from a factory worker in Asia? That sounds ludicrous to me.

The foreign male DNA in JonBenet's panties was mixed with her blood and showed up in two blood spots in the crotch of the panties she was wearing when found murdered. It was determined that the foreign DNA was from one and perhaps two males, but not from John Ramsey. That virtually clears John and Patsy because there is other exculpatory evidence in their favor.
The results of Burke's DNA tests have never been released or commented upon by anyone in authority, so Burke is a question mark. There appears to be no exculpatory evidence in Burke's favor.
Just my opinion.

BlueCrab

is this SCARE BURKE DAY?...who would have thought???... I'll be the 1st to ask that UNASKABLE(IBLE) QUESTION???...BURKE/WHAT=-WHEN=-WHY=WHERE -= ???

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/bios/ramseyfamily/burkeramsey.html

THE RAMSEYS
Burke Hamilton Ramsey
Age: 12
Nine years old at the time of his sister's death, Burke Ramsey was one of only three other people known to be in his family's home that fateful Christmas night.

Now living in the Atlanta area with his parents, Burke was interviewed last summer by a Broomfield police detective for any information he might have about his sister's death.Leaked 911 tapes also showed, last summer, that Burke may have been awake at the time his mother called police — contrary to the parents' earlier statements. :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :croc:

 

[Blazeboy3]

Unless a Ramsey does this highly unlikely scenario again, it ain't ah gonna show up in a database. JonBenet was one of a kind, and her life situtation as well. JMO.

:blowkiss: :dna(Don't Know Anything?Q!?) NOT!!!:??? :croc: :hand: :laugh:

 

[Blazeboy3]

:blowkiss: :dna(Don't Know Anything?Q!?) DNA can be manipulated thru TIME...the RANSOM NOTE CAN NOT!!!...HELLO!!!... GET IT....HELLO??? :silenced: :silenced: NOT!!!:??? :croc: :hand: :laugh:

... let us what...??? :doh: :doh: :doh: