Linguistics

[claudicici]

.....anyone of the thousands of University students did not have a personal relationship with JB,anyone of the thousands of University students did not have a semen stained suitcase in the room next to jb's body....
...the other thing I find suspicious about JAR is that in one of these first interviews,when he was asked about the killer,he said he must be forgiven.
Like father,like Son?

 

[MurriFlower]

.....anyone of the thousands of University students did not have a personal relationship with JB,anyone of the thousands of University students did not have a semen stained suitcase in the room next to jb's body....
...the other thing I find suspicious about JAR is that in one of these first interviews,when he was asked about the killer,he said he must be forgiven.
Like father,like Son?

Do you really believe she was killed because of a personal grudge against her?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Knowing JB personally would not mean the killing was a personal grudge. There are a few RDI's who believe she was killed intentionally, but I am not one of them.

 

[ziggy]

I really don't think the forgiveness stuff has any legs in investigating.

I would do the same thing, not out of guilt, but out of the Godly knowledge that without it you are doomed to a life of bitterness and will never taste the sweet again.

It's less about the offender and more about not becoming a toxic person yourself as hatred and anger rarely affect the person to which it's directed but can kill the person who holds it. In essence, the killer would destroy them as well from within. Releasing that anger takes the power away from the perp to destroy another family member or friend. Guilt has nothing to do with it in my opinion.

Edited to add: I think saying there is need to forgive a perp in the depth of the emotional pain one might be going through is like taking a pain pill for grief. In despair, it helps relieve some of the pain or at least gives one hope that they will feel like a normal person again someday.

 

[UKGuy]

Perhaps you'd be better to look at it like this:

RDI = someone who was inside the house (a total of 4 people including JBR)
IDI = someone who came into the house (theoretically the rest of the world)

I am IDI because I don't believe PR, JR or BR did it.

The possibilities for IDI are endless. That doesn't mean I think it was random, because there was a motive, it was planned, and whether by design or accident, has not yet been solved.

MurriFlower,

I reckon they were all involved in some manner hence the ongoing silence. An extension of the resident RDI is that DP was over, assisting with the coverup.

Then there is the soiled underwear scenario. Holly Smith has highlighted the number of items soiled with fecal material. Along with the soiled underwear lying on the bathroom floor, it seems apparent that this may have been a bigger issue than that of bedwetting. As a trigger point it seems more relevant as a reason for removing the size-6's and placing nice clean, non-stained underwear on JonBenet. Since as we all know these were urine-stained seemingly contradicting a cleanup becuase she wet the bed?

Maybe LHP's book contained some reference to this aspect? For me JonBenet's underwear seems to play a pivotal role in any credible theory. Simply because there was no need for anyone intruder or resident to redress JonBenet at all, never mind in size-12's.

My preferred theory is some variant on an accidental injury either as a consequence of some molestation fetish, or a domestic incident such as fecal soiling resulting in rage aimed at JonBenet.

With both parents staging the winecellar crime-scene because they are both aware that JonBenet's prior molestation must be obscured.

The forensic evidence to back up an IDI is simply not strong enough. A case can be made but when you look at the evidence it can all be explained away, there is no smoking gun. Just a preference for the stranger killer, which is always more reassuring for some.


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[MurriFlower]

I reckon they were all involved in some manner hence the ongoing silence. An extension of the resident RDI is that DP was over, assisting with the coverup..

Yep, and if there's anyone else you 'don't particularly like' you can add them to the list as well. The sky's the limit.

Then there is the soiled underwear scenario. Holly Smith has highlighted the number of items soiled with fecal material. Along with the soiled underwear lying on the bathroom floor, it seems apparent that this may have been a bigger issue than that of bedwetting. As a trigger point it seems more relevant as a reason for removing the size-6's and placing nice clean, non-stained underwear on JonBenet. Since as we all know these were urine-stained seemingly contradicting a cleanup becuase she wet the bed?

Maybe LHP's book contained some reference to this aspect? For me JonBenet's underwear seems to play a pivotal role in any credible theory. Simply because there was no need for anyone intruder or resident to redress JonBenet at all, never mind in size-12's.

My preferred theory is some variant on an accidental injury either as a consequence of some molestation fetish, or a domestic incident such as fecal soiling resulting in rage aimed at JonBenet.

With both parents staging the winecellar crime-scene because they are both aware that JonBenet's prior molestation must be obscured.

Yes, you do seem to be unnaturally fixated on the fecal soiling of the underwear and the molestation.

The forensic evidence to back up an IDI is simply not strong enough. A case can be made but when you look at the evidence it can all be explained away, there is no smoking gun. Just a preference for the stranger killer, which is always more reassuring for some.

No? OK, well I'm sure you could explain anything away if you set your mind to it. You appear to have a preference for finding the Rs and their extended family guilty, so you are not IMO evaluating the evidence at all, unless it suits your purpose. This appears to have also been the stance of the BPD.

 

[tapu]

"Hey, Francis, lighten up."

 

[claudicici]

Do you really believe she was killed because of a personal grudge against her?

no,on the contrary I believe whoever did this had a close relationship with JB and loved her.
As possible motives I can see:
-hate for JR,trying to hurt him and yet the killer cleaned and redressed JB and covered her....someone who hated JR and did not know JB would have left her dirty,this killer gave some dignity back to her.
-hate for JB's way of life being an affluent ,beautiful girl , jealousy of that lifestyle (JMcR,small foreign faction?)
-hate for oneself for being sexually attracted to her (JR,BR,JAR,DP?)
That would explain the 'only being molested a little bit",the killer was fighting his urge and rather killed her instead of completely giving in to a rape situation (random pedophile intruder would have only cared about his own satisfaction)
If PR was the killer IMO her motive could have been dealing with past trauma.If she indeed was abused as a child and I do believe she loved JB very much and completely identified with her and found out JB was abused as well,she could have killed her in order to kill the abused little girl inside of her.I can imagine that because of her dramatic personality combined with her religious beliefs,the shame,the guilt.

 

[claudicici]

I really don't think the forgiveness stuff has any legs in investigating.

I would do the same thing, not out of guilt, but out of the Godly knowledge that without it you are doomed to a life of bitterness and will never taste the sweet again.

It's less about the offender and more about not becoming a toxic person yourself as hatred and anger rarely affect the person to which it's directed but can kill the person who holds it. In essence, the killer would destroy them as well from within. Releasing that anger takes the power away from the perp to destroy another family member or friend. Guilt has nothing to do with it in my opinion.

Edited to add: I think saying there is need to forgive a perp in the depth of the emotional pain one might be going through is like taking a pain pill for grief. In despair, it helps relieve some of the pain or at least gives one hope that they will feel like a normal person again someday.

that's easier said than done Ziggy.
If that was my child I'm afraid I could never ever forgive and would not be able to get rid of the anger and hate inside of me.Most of all I would not rest until I found out who did this.

 

[tapu]

I have read all these latest posts, and I have two reactions (for now):

One is pure overwhelm at such a huge number of twists and turns. It's just the kind of crime and media situation that spins a myth that can never be untangled. I would bet that, at this point, many of the details of the case that the public thinks it knows are at least distorted if not outright false, mistaken, even fabricated.

My other reaction is to pull away from considering any existing "evidence," reports, and theories, and instead to go check out what I can find related to verification and debunking of the "information cloud" around this crime. I think I'll start with Snopes. It may very well present some of the common or widespread misconceptions. I'll poke around elsewhere after that. If I think I've found something that might have a modicum of credibility, I'll bring it here.

So... are there any other linguistic matters to bring up or return to? I feel on firmer ground there, and... well,... can you imagine how rarely I see anything outside of work that calls for a linguist?!

 

[DeeDee249]

AND there was also a line in an interview somewhere that LHP had used it too.

Link? BTW, LHP's use doesn't explain JAR's semen on the blanket. NONE of LHP's hair/fibers/DNA were found on the suitcase.

 

[BBB167893]

Perhaps I should have said "I'm not sure some of them actually want the murderer found if it disagrees with their theory on who did it."

I'm pretty sure we all knew what you meant.

When I see people who attempt to diminish the value of real evidence and then propose what I believe are totally irrational, baseless hypothesis to weave it into their own theory, well you really have to wonder!

Well, when I see people attempt to do that, I don't wonder, because I'm still convinced that they're operating in good faith. (At least in most cases.)

Of course, this leads to another issue, if the real murderer was on this forum, (and there's no reason why not) then that person might have a vested interest in deriding evidence that could point to their guilt. This also applies to an accomplice or close relatives/associates of the murder.

I hope this won't turn into an Agatha Christie, "the killer is someone in this room" deal.

No I won't name names, but I'm sure they know who they are LOL.

Those who don't want this case solved DO know who they are, MF. So do we, and I WILL name names.

 

[BBB167893]

Here I am again already. :blush:

I was wondering: Are there any "outlier" theories? Also, isn't some distinction made between PRDI, JRDI, and different I's in IDI?? It's not like all the evidence would be the same in subcases, would it??

What about combination theories? There must be PR/I-DI possibilities. And so on.

There are distinctions. And there are combination theories. At least some.

 

[MurriFlower]

I'm pretty sure we all knew what you meant.

Not DD apparently, cause she asked the question.

Well, when I see people attempt to do that, I don't wonder, because I'm still convinced that they're operating in good faith. (At least in most cases.)

I hope this won't turn into an Agatha Christie, "the killer is someone in this room" deal.

No, I can't agree that everyone on this forum acts in good faith. If you accept that there is an unsolved murder and the person(s) who did it are still alive and free, then you might think they would take an interest in these discussions. They might even try to deflect attention from real issues when they arise. This is regardless of whether you are RDI or IDI. Since Agatha Christie's day, the room has gotten really big - as big a cyberspace! That's quite aside from nunces who are just like to p*ss people off.

Those who don't want this case solved DO know who they are, MF. So do we, and I WILL name names.

I was referring to posters on this forum not the BPD and DA's office LOL.

 

[tapu]

Is the animosity seen here general, as in part of the overall IDI/RDI split, or is it more personal between individuals on each side?

 

[DeeDee249]

Is the animosity seen here general, as in part of the overall IDI/RDI split, or is it more personal between individuals on each side?

Mostly IDI towards RDI.

 

[DeeDee249]

Not DD apparently, cause she asked the question.

I knew exactly what it meant, too.

 

[madeleine]

Mostly IDI towards RDI.

Been on both camps now and both are sometimes rude and sarcastic&mocking when it's about disagreeing but after all it's good that we're all here,or?And we definitely care more than officials do,so it seems...unfortunately.Imagine that the BPD or the DA would spend so much time investigating like we do!

 

[DeeDee249]

Yep, we snipe at each other from time to time, but I try to be "gentle" LOL.

 

[MurriFlower]

I have read all these latest posts, and I have two reactions (for now):

One is pure overwhelm at such a huge number of twists and turns. It's just the kind of crime and media situation that spins a myth that can never be untangled. I would bet that, at this point, many of the details of the case that the public thinks it knows are at least distorted if not outright false, mistaken, even fabricated.

My other reaction is to pull away from considering any existing "evidence," reports, and theories, and instead to go check out what I can find related to verification and debunking of the "information cloud" around this crime. I think I'll start with Snopes. It may very well present some of the common or widespread misconceptions. I'll poke around elsewhere after that. If I think I've found something that might have a modicum of credibility, I'll bring it here.

So... are there any other linguistic matters to bring up or return to? I feel on firmer ground there, and... well,... can you imagine how rarely I see anything outside of work that calls for a linguist?!

Your avatar says Amateur Psychopharmacologist, Practicing 20 Years?? Is this for real?
psy·cho·phar·ma·col·o·gy
   /ˌsaɪkoʊˌfɑrməˈkɒlədʒi/ Show Spelled[sahy-koh-fahr-muh-kol-uh-jee] Show IPA
–noun
the branch of pharmacology dealing with the psychological effects of drugs.


Hmm, would you care to comment on possibility of linking the pineapple with pedophiles and a connection to GHB? This pineapple has always been a mystery. What would you think if I told you someone close to the family was a pharmacist?