Live MSM coverage on Baby Lisa 20 October 2011

[LaLaw2000]

why do you think that would look worse for her? just curious.

If DB took more pics than usual on Monday, October 3rd, then uploaded them from the phone to her computer, then yes, it looks bad for her. I am only stating IF. Then Baby Lisa goes missing either that night or before daylight the next morning.

DB wants her hard drive back and it supposedly has more pics and vids.

I think the computer hard drive has helped LE quite a lot.

I'm not stuck on this because I think DB either killed Baby Lisa in a fit of rage, OD'd her on meds, or did this as a hoax for money. There is also a possibility she sold her. DB would take lots of pics of Baby Lisa if she sold her OR if this was a hoax for money.

We will know sooner or later. The only thing I feel certain is that DB knows where Baby Lisa is and that it was of her doing. I also will bet that very pic was taken on Monday, October 3. That is MOO x 100!!

JMO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Do we know if this photo in question was taken at the B-day party or not?
Just curious.

 

[marge_rita]

thank you for this post! i agree. i believe that these parents are being completely railroaded in the media. it is actually SICKENING to me. spin, editing, misrepresentation..taking things out of context. absolutely disgusting to me. just get it right! i have seen ZERO MSM articles or what have you without spin or distorted "facts." appalling!

patiently awaiting evidence. :fence:

:seeya:
Respectfully, you're aware Deborah the mom appeared on national tv and admitted she was drunk and possibly blacked out the night baby Lisa vanished right?

Something else to note, both D and J stopped cooperating with LE for a few days.
They also have a big shot NY attny. DUFENSE attorney too.

Railroaded--no way. imo

imo

 

[marge_rita]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44975914

Police: No Body Found In Lisa Irwin Case

Police posted that information on its official Twitter account at 9:48 a.m.

"Rumors are false. Police have NOT found a body in #LisaIrwin case. We are still actively searching for the baby."

 

[marge_rita]

Hi, LancelotLink!

This is great! Please send this to LE. I will bet you this pic was taken on the on that Monday, Oct. 3. I wonder if this pic was taken with one of the missing cells? I also have to wonder if DB had already downloaded it on her cpmputer. If DB downloaded a lot of pics that day or night, LE is going to know it from the computer hard drive forensics. That would look even worse for her, IMO.

:twocents:

Great job LancelotLink.
I agree with LaLaw, send this to LE asap. Just in case they haven't checked this picture out in detail.

 

[Donjeta]

informative quote from this article:

Thus far, according to Short, the couple has allowed police to:

Take their computer; call an Amber Alert, knowing that it would bring federal investigators into the case; take their other two children for forensic interviews; have the complete run of their home, their vehicles, a shed and a pop-up camper; take DNA and other biological evidence; obtain Lisa’s medical records, including those for well-baby visits; and conduct a polygraph examination on Bradley.

The couple also receives five or six calls a day from investigators, said Short, who estimated that Bradley and Irwin each have spent about 40 hours answering police questions since Lisa disappeared.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20...#ixzz1bOGmeqsG

Just a couple of days ago Joe Tacopina said they've each spent 13 hours answering questions.

 

[Donjeta]

•Fox News Channel aired more of an interview that Lisa’s parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, did Sunday on “America Live.” In the new segment, Bradley told Megyn Kelly she thought police had lied to her to elicit a confession.

Bradley, who has said several cellphones were missing from their home along with their daughter, said police told her a call was made on one of the phones at 2:30 a.m. Oct. 4, when Lisa disappeared.

She told Kelly that she was sleeping at the time and that whoever took Lisa would have used the phone. She said police didn’t tell her where the call had been placed except that it was “close by.”

When asked whether she thought police were lying to her about the call, Bradley said, “Yeah, they’re supposed to.”

“To get a confession?” Kelly asked her.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3215726/promising-lead-fizzles-in-lisa.html
“Yeah, of course,” Bradley answered.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/18/3215726/promising-lead-fizzles-in-lisa.html#ixzz1bP0L6obR

This makes no sense to me. I can see how getting caught with making a phone call when you said you were sleeping could make a guilty party give up and confess but why would an innocent person confess because the police made up a non-existent call that no one ever made?

I expect that a such confession would be pretty worthless at a trial anyway because if the defendant confessed to a detail made up by the police that could be shown to be false based on the phone records it would cast doubt to the whole confession and the attorneys could argue that it was all just details that were fed to her by the police and the defedant clearly had no guilty knowledge of the crime whatsoever.

If the abductor took the phones how does she know the call was made up by the police anyway? How is she to know how the stranger used her phone? Wouldn't she insist they have to investigate that call very carefully because it's a clue to who the abductor is and might lead to Lisa?

I think she got caught in a lie and is trying to cover up.

 

[askfornina]

:seeya:
Respectfully, you're aware Deborah the mom appeared on national tv and admitted she was drunk and possibly blacked out the night baby Lisa vanished right?

Something else to note, both D and J stopped cooperating with LE for a few days.
They also have a big shot NY attny. DUFENSE attorney too.

Railroaded--no way. imo

imo

yes, thank you, i am aware of those things. i do not condone her behavior in any way. i do think that there is plenty we do NOT see. that megyn kelly interview for example was 2 hours long. how much footage of that has been aired? ~30 minutes?
i really am not interested in debating the points you have outlined any further, you are entitled to your opinion just as i am. we will see how this all plays out.

:fence:

 

[cece5300]

I respectfully disagree. I believe that LE already has evidence and there will be an arrest within the next few days. But, I do agree with you on NG and JVM.

I hope you are right; I hope they've found evidence. Honestly, I didn't think LE searched the house looking for anything in particular. I thought they searched the house looking for whatever they could find that could be of use as evidence. But I hope I'm wrong. I hope they have found a clue that could help find baby Lisa.

As for Lisa's parents being railroaded by the media, maybe that's true, but in light of so many cases where parents have been involved in harming their children, can you blame people for being suspicious? I'm not saying the parents did it, but there's no evidence to say anyone else did either, and DB is the one who's been lying and changing her stories. If my child was missing, I would certainly not be lying about a darn thing. I can't for the life of me come up with a single plausible excuse for why she would change her story. There's NO excuse for that. And that's a red flag for me.

And in regards to the camera in that picture, I have no idea WHAT that thing is. It can't be a cell phone. I have an iPhone and an iPad 2 and my sisters have iPod Touches, and that thing she's holding doesn't resemble any of them. It doesn't even look like a camera; it looks way too big. The poster who said it was the size of a GPS was spot on; that is totally what it looks like! Maybe it's a Flip Cam or some sort of cam corder? I have no clue.

What abductor takes cell phones and turns on pumpkin lamps? In the missing persons cases I've followed, I can't recall the kidnapper taking cell phones or anything like that.

If DB took more pics than usual on Monday, October 3rd, then uploaded them from the phone to her computer, then yes, it looks bad for her. I am only stating IF. Then Baby Lisa goes missing either that night or before daylight the next morning.

But that thing in the picture doesn't look like a phone. What would it matter if she uploaded pictures to the computer? I think I understand what you're saying - that if she used her phone to sync pictures to her computer, then there would be proof that she had the phone? Or there would be proof of what was on the phone? Am I on the right track? However, that thing in the picture doesn't look like a phone. If anything, it looks like a clunky old camera (not the newer slimmer point and shoot ones).

 

[Kat]

Lawyers for a Northland couple pushed back hard against police Thursday for saying their clients have stopped cooperating in the search for their missing 11-month-old daughter.

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O’Brien, a law professor who briefly represented the couple during the Oct. 8 interview,.....
O’Brien works with the Innocence Project at the University of Missouri-Kansas City............

“To (police), refusing to cooperate means not wanting to sign a confession,” said Sean O’Brien, one of the attorneys...........







Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20/3220223/baby-lisas-lawyers-say-police.html#ixzz1bOBGyS5j

I do have a problem with this, it's minor and if no one else does that's okay I'm cool with it. But I made a mental note because Deborah herself said on national media the day before they announced that they had an attn. that they didn't need an attn.

However, O'Brien was there to represent them at the 08 OCT 2011 interview with LE.

I don't much care to quibble semantics or to split syntax. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I don't know but that bothers me a bit. Like I said I am just going to make a minor mental note of that but---I don't like word play. Not when a baby is missing, I really don't like word play.

Of course, it could be nothing. I just don't like it. JMHO. And I don't know what may have happened to Lisa but I don't like that up there ^^^^. (ETA: I don't have any suspects in mind and this doesn't make anyone look guilty of anything but maybe word play or omission)

 

[LaLaw2000]

Do we know if this photo in question was taken at the B-day party or not?
Just curious.

No, we do not, but it looks like the front door to the Irwin home.

MOO

 

[Donjeta]

I do have a problem with this, it's minor and if no one else does that's okay I'm cool with it. But I made a mental note because Deborah herself said on national media the day before they announced that they had an attn. that they didn't need an attn.

However, O'Brien was there to represent them at the 08 OCT 2011 interview with LE.

I don't much care to quibble semantics or to split syntax. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I don't know but that bothers me a bit. Like I said I am just going to make a minor mental note of that but---I don't like word play. Not when a baby is missing, I really don't like word play.

Of course, it could be nothing. I just don't like it. JMHO. And I don't know what may have happened to Lisa but I don't like that up there ^^^^. (ETA: I don't have any suspects in mind and this doesn't make anyone look guilty of anything but maybe word play or omission)

A great post.
I don't like that either.

It's not proof of anything but it's not honesty.

I suppose they will explain it later saying they didn't need an attorney because they already had three.

 

[angeleleven]

I didn't see a new thread started yet for todays news.....but a new theory is coming up next on Fox News.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I didn't see a new thread started yet for todays news.....but a new theory is coming up next on Fox News.

Yes. Someting about Dr. Baden and Mom may have killed Baby Lisa by accident.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Dr. Baden states Mom could have rolled over on top of Baby Lisa. No link - stated on Fox and Friends live this morning. Says it would only be a misdemeanor to hide the body. Says she knows where the body is in his opinion. Also states she might be charged with lying to LE and neglect. He thinks this case will be cracked within the next couple of days....................

I say nah.........................

 

[angeleleven]

Besides lying to police, she should also be charged with neglect (speaking of Dr Baden's theory).

 

[LaLaw2000]

Besides lying to police, she should also be charged with neglect (speaking of Dr Baden's theory).

Thanks, angeleleven! I added that to my post.

 

[Cazzie]

Originally Posted by LancelotLink

Better?

I have both an iphone and an ipad. To me, this looks too big to be an iphone and too small to be an ipad. I would assume it's some other brand of smartphone. Looks like the sliding kind, with the keyboard that slides under the screen - a Droid, or something similar? But I'm just guessing...

I think it's a camera (thus it's in the photo)...it looks rectangular...IDK what brand...JMO.

 

[angeleleven]

Dr. Baden states Mom could have rolled over on top of Baby Lisa. No link - stated on Fox and Friends live this morning. Says it would only be a misdemeanor to hide the body. Says she knows where the body is in his opinion. Also states she might be charged with lying to LE and neglect. He thinks this case will be cracked within the next couple of days....................

I say nah.........................

His theory makes a lot of sense to me.....would explain her being blacked out and not knowing what happened (of course, she knows now). It would explain a lot of things actually. I think she handed the baby off to someone through the window.

 

[Trino]

His theory makes a lot of sense to me.....would explain her being blacked out and not knowing what happened (of course, she knows now). It would explain a lot of things actually. I think she handed the baby off to someone through the window.

Why though the window? That's the front of the house - could be seen. IMO she would go through somewhere in the back of the house.