Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[Donjeta]

I was not discounting it at all, until I heard this (verbatim) on the Today Show "....Police are discounting reports that a neighbor saw a man with a baby near the home early that morning...."

I realize, unfortunately, that we can't take everything MSM states as fact but if the police are willing to discount it (for whatever reasons they have) then so am I. Maybe that is naive of me (and I reserve the right to change my mind, about a zillion times).

I can't figure out how these sightings could be discounted. I wonder if discounted means denial...i.e...it did not happen, or if it means they have ruled out the possibility that it could be baby Lisa.

I am more confused then ever.....

Some things that make me suspicious are that the motorcycle guy's story was reported a week after the fact and he seems to have made detailed observations. If it was dark and he drove quickly past maybe they're not that certain he could have seen that much.

The couple's story is a bit confusing in that sometimes it's reported the husband saw the man and the baby and other reports say they both saw them. I wonder if they've been inconsistent in the police interview as well.

 

[Cheewawa007]

I'm thinking he took her clothes off so that she couldn't be identified by the last clothes she was seen wearing.

And those clothes might possibly be the ones DB said LE showed her that were burned in the dumpster.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

O/T but...

LE has just issued an active amber alert in Middle Tennessee. I'm posting it here in case any TNers are reading (or if a mod wants to post it elsewhere):

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/188344/2/Amber-Alert-issued-for-missing-Overton-Co-girl

 

[zpz1]

(I may have posted this incorrectly on another thread, it was OT)

In an interview, didn't the mother change her timeline and say that she saw the baby at 10:30-she went in the room and Lisa was standing in her crib so she laid her back down and covered her up? "If" something happened to the baby in the home, I just wonder if this has to do with anything (or will be used as an explanation/cover-story)... IMO

 

[Blue Ridge]

And those clothes might possibly be the ones DB said LE showed her that were burned in the dumpster.

Just jumping off your post here Cheewawa but that is something that really boggles my mind. She said something like, they showed her some burned clothes and she hopes that it wasn't true. Well that is what I don't get. Either they were Lisa's clothes or they were not. Whatever they showed her couldn't have been burned completely UP, or they would have been showing her a handful of simple ashes!! So there had to be enough of whatever it was left to still be recognizable as 'clothes' right? Enough left to hold it together would be enough to recognize at least SOME charactaristics of it? So how could she not tell if it were Lisa's clothes or not? :waitasec:

 

[Sammiejam]

If I saw someone wandering around with a half-naked baby in freezing weather, no way in H.E double hockey sticks would just drive straight by. I would have to stop and see if everything was ok, were they trying to get to a hospital or something? If they acted weird or said no and had no further explanation as to WHY they were strolling around in the cold night with a wee bubba, I would call the cops IMMEDIATELY. They could explain to the cops what was going on if they didn't want to tell me.

I am not buying these stories. JI had called the cops at 4.04, the cops would have found the guy. I mean if there was a guy, he wouldnt have known what time JI had arrived home so he wouldn't have suddenly hid after 4.04. So where did he go?

And who knows, it might have been a DOLL (staged sighting) or some guy with a legit reason to be carrying a doll at 4am. (its a strange world folks) Maybe not have even been a baby at all.

In any case, something in a the milk ain't right... just sayin'.

ETA - I agree about the burnt clothes. DB seemed VERY calm about seeing burnt baby clothing. I would be OFF THE FREAKING RICHTER. Even if it wasn't my babys burnt clothing, I would all over it in case someone had dressed her in something else to disguise her and then tried to burn the disguise. LB didn't seem to really CARE at all! It was EXTREMELY odd...

 

[andalso]

Let's say for a hypothetical minute that there was no baby sighting that night....
Why oh why would a neighbor say they saw a diaper clad baby if in fact they did not?

Possibilities:
Neighbor had something to do with the disappearance of the baby...
Neighbor is covering for DB and JI, ( I have no clue why)
Neighbor made it up, to insert himself into national media spotlight?

Or, neighbor did see the baby and police have spoken with whomever this man carrying baby was and found it to be innocent.

I was hopeful about this sighting, thinking it meant the baby could still be out there alive...I am not so hopeful anymore now that police have allegedly discounted it.

 

[curiositycat]

If I saw someone wandering around with a half-naked baby in freezing weather, no way in H.E double hockey sticks would just drive straight by. I would have to stop and see if everything was ok, were they trying to get to a hospital or something? If they acted weird or said no and had no further explanation as to WHY they were strolling around in the cold night with a wee bubba, I would call the cops IMMEDIATELY. They could explain to the cops what was going on if they didn't want to tell me.

I am not buying these stories. JI had called the cops at 4.04, the cops would have found the guy. I mean if there was a guy, he wouldnt have known what time JI had arrived home so he wouldn't have suddenly hid or anything after 4.04. So where did he go?

And who knows, it might have been a DOLL (staged sighting) or some guy with a legit reason to be carrying a doll at 4am. (its a strange world folks) Maybe not have even been a baby at all.

In any case, something in a the milk ain't right... just sayin'.

MOO I am not buying them either, but perhaps they are being planted by the defense to set up a reasonable doubt defense. MOO

 

[In da Middle]

Thanks, Nursie.

Now, the man on the motorcycle says he turned off 48th onto Randolph, and it was on Randolph that he saw the man and the baby, right? So we don't know where on Randolph he saw this. But if it's the same man, and he's walking, it almost seems to me that he'd have had to have gone up NE Parvin to get from point a to point b.

:waitasec:

ETA: That's a helluva long walk with a baby dressed only in a diaper. Just sayin'.

The exit here is weird. You have to get off at Parvin and then take the side road on the east side of the highway to get to 48th. If you need to go anywhere north of Parvin, but south of 48th on the west side of the highway you still have to take the Parvin rd exit and go north on the east side of the highway to 48th. You then go to to Randolph road. Randolph RD is one way going south between 48th st and Parvin rd. Clear as mud, huh?
The supposed baby walker could have walked Parvin and walked north on Randolph rd though.

 

[zpz1]

There is an active Amber Alert for TN.. If you look to the left the photo of the man and the girl are the ones they are looking for..

 

[Quiche]

Okay, now what I want to know about the sightings of the man with a baby, is was the baby moving? I know it's awful, but somehow Lisa was removed from the home-- was she stripped to garble identification, and was this her disposal?

Also, the motorcycle guy described a guy about 5'7/8 and about 150 pounds, then what was the age, about 35 (I can't remember, lol)? Anyhoo, that could describe a woman as well, or it could describe the brother on the market video. Right?

Also, is the dumpster fire in line with this person's walking?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

this happened in May (not current AA)

eta: her thread here:
TN Zaylee Grace Fryar (3 months) - Millersville TN, 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks Nurse, I posted the wrong link. I fixed it.

 

[josie1986]

Let's say for a hypothetical minute that there was no baby sighting that night....
Why oh why would a neighbor say they saw a diaper clad baby if in fact they did not?

Possibilities:
Neighbor had something to do with the disappearance of the baby...
Neighbor is covering for DB and JI, ( I have no clue why)
Neighbor made it up, to insert himself into national media spotlight?

Or, neighbor did see the baby and police have spoken with whomever this man carrying baby was and found it to be innocent.

I was hopeful about this sighting, thinking it meant the baby could still be out there alive...I am not so hopeful anymore now that police have allegedly discounted it.

i just posted something similar to this another thread......nice to now someone else has thought about this and i'm not going crazy :great:

 

[Donjeta]

(I may have posted this incorrectly on another thread, it was OT)

In an interview, didn't the mother change her timeline and say that she saw the baby at 10:30-she went in the room and Lisa was standing in her crib so she laid her back down and covered her up? "If" something happened to the baby in the home, I just wonder if this has to do with anything (or will be used as an explanation/cover-story)... IMO

I think the standing up in the crib sighting was supposed to have happened shortly after the 6:40 bedtime and the current story is that she didn't check on Lisa at 10:30 at all or if she did she was so drunk she doesn't remember.

 

[Donjeta]

Okay, now what I want to know about the sightings of the man with a baby, is was the baby moving? I know it's awful, but somehow Lisa was removed from the home-- was she stripped to garble identification, and was this her disposal?

Also, the motorcycle guy described a guy about 5'7/8 and about 150 pounds, then what was the age, about 35 (I can't remember, lol)? Anyhoo, that could describe a woman as well, or it could describe the brother on the market video. Right?

Also, is the dumpster fire in line with this person's walking?

Late thirties, early forties I think he said.

 

[Quiche]

Late thirties, early forties I think he said.

That's pretty clear from 30 feet away in the dark-- could be a younger person looking haggard, imo.


eta: Oh, and I'll add-- we know there are homeless babies, 'cause we inspected a pile of evidence in an abandoned house.

 

[uvamerica]

Here is the neighbor back on Oct.4., saying her husband saw the man with baby in diaper a/r 12am
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...d-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

Now today she says she saw it too
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-147856

Why the big change in her story ?

 

[peeples]

O/T but...

LE has just issued an active amber alert in Middle Tennessee. I'm posting it here in case any TNers are reading (or if a mod wants to post it elsewhere):

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/188344/2/Amber-Alert-issued-for-missing-Overton-Co-girl

You should post this in the missing forum too

I pray she's found safe and unharmed in any way!!
These step father kidnappings give me the heeby jeebies

 

[TxLady2]

Just jumping off your post here Cheewawa but that is something that really boggles my mind. She said something like, they showed her some burned clothes and she hopes that it wasn't true. Well that is what I don't get. Either they were Lisa's clothes or they were not. Whatever they showed her couldn't have been burned completely UP, or they would have been showing her a handful of simple ashes!! So there had to be enough of whatever it was left to still be recognizable as 'clothes' right? Enough left to hold it together would be enough to recognize at least SOME charactaristics of it? So how could she not tell if it were Lisa's clothes or not? :waitasec:

Ok, if you were shown a pile of burned fabric, and there were only small bits and pieces of it left... and say you could barely make out the original color and it was just ordinary material... would you be able to positively identify it as your child's clothes? I don't think so. We don't know how much of that material was left but apparently there was enough to determine that it was clothes of some sort, just not enough to make a positive ID that they were Lisa's. Just guessing, of course.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The exit here is weird. You have to get off at Parvin and then take the side road on the east side of the highway to get to 48th. If you need to go anywhere north of Parvin, but south of 48th on the west side of the highway you still have to take the Parvin rd exit and go north on the east side of the highway to 48th. You then go to to Randolph road. Randolph RD is one way going south between 48th st and Parvin rd. Clear as mud, huh?
The supposed baby walker could have walked Parvin and walked north on Randolph rd though.

Just to clarify...Randolph road is a one way street? Would you being travelling in a vehicle north or south?