Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[LadyPirate]

The guy on the motorcycle reported his sighting a week after Lisa went missing. I find that kind of....odd. It's not like this case hasn't been plastered all over the place, especially locally.

I don't find it odd that it was reported a week later. My DH and I very seldom watch TV. I never watch the news even when he does. I found out about this child through a forum on another board. This link was given and I followed it. Otherwise, I would not have know about Lisa Irwin.

Maybe this guy just happened to turn on the TV that day and see a report, or he picked up a newspaper and saw it and remembered seeing somebody carrying a baby.

 

[MamaK]

MOO I am not buying them either, but perhaps they are being planted by the defense to set up a reasonable doubt defense. MOO

Wouldn't this come out in a trial though. IMO a prosecution team would be all over that. Surely a good defense team can do better than that. MOO

 

[MamaK]

Ok, if you were shown a pile of burned fabric, and there were only small bits and pieces of it left... and say you could barely make out the original color and it was just ordinary material... would you be able to positively identify it as your child's clothes? I don't think so. We don't know how much of that material was left but apparently there was enough to determine that it was clothes of some sort, just not enough to make a positive ID that they were Lisa's. Just guessing, of course.

Did they actually show DB burnt clothes? I thought DB asked them to show her the clothes but they didn't? I also just want to remind everyone that we haven't heard much from LE. We've only heard media interviews with the parents. LE has released very little official information on this case.

 

[andalso]

Just a thought, wonder if this motorcyclist has visited "One Eyed Jack's" lately and he heard the story about Lisa there? And then either recalled his sighting or made up his sighting.
Not sure where I am going with that....but isn't that a biker bar?

 

[Boodles]

I just posted a review of the piece on Fox and Friends, Plain Jane Doe.
Baden thinks DB rolled on her and smothered her in her bed.

Can you please post a link to Baden's comments?

 

[cachmo]

Just to clarify...Randolph road is a one way street? Would you being travelling in a vehicle north or south?

I hope these sighting are real and one of them pan out. that would mean Lisa is still with us. I know thats what we all want.
My problem with this is : the man did not put the 2 together. Really? With roads being closed, media everywhere, helicopters flying,etc. You couldnt put the two together. Is the the norm in there. Babies dressed inappropriately in the wee hours of the morning. This just baffles me.
Praying Lisa is found TODAY

 

[Donjeta]

I don't find it odd that it was reported a week later. My DH and I very seldom watch TV. I never watch the news even when he does. I found out about this child through a forum on another board. This link was given and I followed it. Otherwise, I would not have know about Lisa Irwin.

Maybe this guy just happened to turn on the TV that day and see a report, or he picked up a newspaper and saw it and remembered seeing somebody carrying a baby.

But are you a local? I think the locals wouldn't necessarily have to follow the news to hear about a missing baby close in their neighborhood.

 

[Marah]

I wish I knew if LE had any solid evidence. But if they didn't wouldn't they issue and arrest?

Makes me wonder what evidence they really have if any.

Where is Lisa? If she was stolen out of her crib, it seems LE has dropped the ball.

I just wish we knew what they(LE) knew.

 

[In da Middle]

Just to clarify...Randolph road is a one way street? Would you being travelling in a vehicle north or south?

The little section of Randolph Rd between NE 48th and Parvin is one-way going south. If the motorcycle rider saw him north of 48th st it is 2 way there but you still have to exit Parvin and go on the e side of highway (one-way going north) to get to 48th and then turn to Randolph. There is no exit for 48th st from north bound 435. If he were going south on 435 you have to exit on 48th to get to Parvin rd as there is no Parvin rd exit on 435 south. Look at the map again after my maybe-not-so -clear explanation and maybe it will now make more sense. KWIM?

 

[AnaTeresa]

But are you a local? I think the locals wouldn't necessarily have to follow the news to hear about a missing baby close in their neighborhood.

You know, it really depends on the case. Sometimes there's not the media saturation you would expect. We've had some cases that barely got a media blitz here, even with a missing toddler (Columbus, OH). Even the case which gained national attention with the murdered people hidden in a hollow tree didn't saturate the local news that much. There were updates, to be sure, but there's not always a huge amount of attention paid to missing persons, even missing young children.

 

[Bemsmom]

This is in line with the memory thread that was posted a couple of days ago....

He sees this baby a week ago and then says something. How much of his memory was influenced by media and the picture of Lisa? I am not saying he didn't see anything AT ALL, but I would question the validity of it especially given the amazing amount of detail.

 

[Melanie]

That's pretty clear from 30 feet away in the dark-- could be a younger person looking haggard, imo.


eta: Oh, and I'll add-- we know there are homeless babies, 'cause we inspected a pile of evidence in an abandoned house.

True dat Quiche. This sighting kinda reminds me of the Laci Peterson case:

She was one of three people in the Petersons' neighborhood who believed they had seen a pregnant Laci Peterson alive and well hours after police say she was murdered by her husband.

We know Laci wasn't out walking her dog and the sighting was bogus

MOO

Mel

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here is the neighbor back on Oct.4., saying her husband saw the man with baby in diaper a/r 12am
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...d-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

Now today she says she saw it too
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-147856

Why the big change in her story ?

Okay, listening to that first link I think what we may have here is just crappy reporting. It cuts into her talking really quick. It sounds to me, though, like she says, "we seen..."

 

[Donjeta]

Here is the neighbor back on Oct.4., saying her husband saw the man with baby in diaper a/r 12am
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...d-saw-man-carrying-baby-wearing-only-a-diaper

Now today she says she saw it too
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-147856

Why the big change in her story ?

Well that's clear as mud...

in the first link the reporter says "she and her husband saw" but then the story is just about the husband seeing things.

 

[TxLady2]

Let's say for a hypothetical minute that there was no baby sighting that night....
Why oh why would a neighbor say they saw a diaper clad baby if in fact they did not?

Possibilities:
Neighbor had something to do with the disappearance of the baby...
Neighbor is covering for DB and JI, ( I have no clue why)
Neighbor made it up, to insert himself into national media spotlight?

Or, neighbor did see the baby and police have spoken with whomever this man carrying baby was and found it to be innocent.

I was hopeful about this sighting, thinking it meant the baby could still be out there alive...I am not so hopeful anymore now that police have allegedly discounted it.

I'm not picking on you, these are valid questions, just jumping off your post, ok?

In nearly every case there are people who call in with "sightings" or tips, and in probably 8 out of 10 of these calls, they turn out to be bogus, from nutcases who just like to be a small part of it for some strange reason or from somebody who has a vivid imagination and thinks they want to help.
LE still has to check them out, and it really does hinder their jobs. It happens all the time.

I remember the woman who saw a little girl matching Caylee's description in the airport waiting for a flight to Atlanta. She was even on WS for awhile, until posters began questioning her story and finding inconsistencies in it. The little girl was said to have told this woman her name was Caylee Marie 'Ant-ny'. When LE checked it out, there was no one with a female child close to that age on that flight at all, it was totally made up. There are all kinds of weird people in this world and no one knows why they call in these fake sightings and tips but they do.

 

[illinialum]

The second eyewitness lives three miles away from Lisa's house. I don't consider that the same neighborhood. I think it's plausible he didn't hear about it for a week. I heard about it on the radio talk shows, and then by scouring the news online. I didn't see any signs. Apparently, some of the highways had Amber Alert signs up, but I didn't see any on the highways I travel.

Also, if he regularly drives on his motorcycle at 4 a.m., he's probably used to seeing next to nobody on the road. If suddenly, one night, he sees a nearly naked baby being carried around--- well, that's something you're probably not going to forget. Perhaps his conscious bothered him for not reporting it to the police, and the memory of it lingered in his mind. Then a week later, he learns about Lisa.

Not saying I for sure believe him, but I think it's plausible. JMO!

 

[jjenny]

Okay, listening to that first link I think what we may have here is just crappy reporting. It cuts into her talking really quick. It sounds to me, though, like she says, "we seen..."

Her husband was coming from work. How could she have seen anything? Was she in a car with the husband? She doesn't say she was.

 

[Just K]

Very Interesting Article where this case is compared to other high profile cases and to a case, remarkably the same, at FORT BRAGG, in 2007. This case apparently occurred when DB lived there.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ares-baby-lisa-case-to-other-child-abductions

 

[Mountain_Kat]

The little section of Randolph Rd between NE 48th and Parvin is one-way going south. If the motorcycle rider saw him north of 48th st it is 2 way there but you still have to exit Parvin and go on the e side of highway (one-way going north) to get to 48th and then turn to Randolph. There is no exit for 48th st from north bound 435. If he were going south on 435 you have to exit on 48th to get to Parvin rd as there is no Parvin rd exit on 435 south. Look at the map again after my maybe-not-so -clear explanation and maybe it will now make more sense. KWIM?

I switched to google earth. I see exactly what you're saying. Thanks you so much, Middle!

 

[jjenny]

I wish I knew if LE had any solid evidence. But if they didn't wouldn't they issue and arrest?

Makes me wonder what evidence they really have if any.

Where is Lisa? If she was stolen out of her crib, it seems LE has dropped the ball.

I just wish we knew what they(LE) knew.

Arrests are rarely made without a body.