Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[Amster]

Fox is really playing up the "new sightings of baby Lisa" story. Makes me think the defense team has been busy spinning this yarn.

 

[kai]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-14785603

Just watched the interviews with the "witnesses" ...

So ... now we have witnesses talking to the media "claiming" they saw Baby Lisa on the night she went "missing" ...

And the "baby" these witnesses claim they saw was only wearing a diaper, was being carried by a "man" who was walking the streets / neighborhood in the cold weather in the middle of the night ...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ...

Hmmm : if you "kidnap" a baby, are you going to be walking around the neighborhood with the baby in the middle of the night, or get the "hello out of dodge" ?

:waitasec:

I was shaking my head agreeing with this and then a second thought hit me. If this wasn't a planned and calculated kidnapping and more of a spontaneous reaction by someone that Deborah or Jeremy knew and was close to- then I could see this person thinking "If I get caught right away I will just say that I took Lisa for a walk because she was crying" or some other believeable excuse. If this was a spontaneous kidnapping then I fear it was for purposes to gratify themselves in a sexual way and not to protect Lisa. Maybe the "kidnapper" was looking for a hidden place in the general area.

I'm off the fence but still always consider all the information. FWIW.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Her hubby said the same thing except his theory is:

Mother Rolled Over Baby Lisa, Will Be Found In A Few Days And Won't Be Charged With Murder, But Will Be Charged With Lying To The Police. (Stated In The Video)

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/2...-killed-her-by-rolling-on-her-while-sleeping/

I could go the entire rest of my life never hearing a word from either one of these <modsnips> (did the work for you there) and be one happy camper. I'm so sick of them inserting themselves into these cases. Have they ruined their reps so badly that the only thing they can do is spout this carp on TV?

 

[cachmo]

Snipped/BBM. I'm sure they do. When we had our big case involving the death of a baby, I was told to check online and see what people were saying in the comments to media articles, google to see if it made Topix, etc. I checked here, too, although I was already a member of WS. (It didn't make the news here, not that I thought it would).

There is some logic to this - you're looking for potential witnesses, or people who seem to know what's going on. Also, from a defense perspective, you're also looking to make sure the defendant and/or family members are keeping their mouths shut. For some reason, family members always want to argue things out in the comments section of the news and say more than they should.

From a defense perspective, I would check out WS, because there are a lot of intelligent sleuthers here. They could come up with a theory worth checking out, or highlight something I had missed. It definitely wouldn't surprise me to see see media checking WS out as well for the same reasons.

This makes complete sense. Our guest #s surge when something big is going on in a high profile case.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Oh my goodness, Dr. Baden's has input. I sure wish the reporter would have said: "but the 6 year boy was in bed with the mother."

Oh, so Dr. Baden thinks the baby will be found within the next couple of days and that the mother will not be charged with murder but with lying to the police. :banghead: Looks like a "dream team" is beginning to form here.

If killing someone when drunk driving is considered a homicide, I have a hard time buying his opinion that smothering your baby while drunk would not be considered a homicide.

 

[JeannaT]

Fox is really playing up the "new sightings of baby Lisa" story. Makes me think the defense team has been busy spinning this yarn.

I haven't heard or read any comments by the defense team in regards to the sightings - have they been interviewed or made statements?

Is it possible that the media themselves have realized this is a STORY? You've got two credible looking people seeing a man wandering about in the night with a nearly naked baby the night Lisa went missing.

And the police have interviewed all 3 witnesses, and have not discounted the story, but have inexplicably kept mum about it.

That's a story, worth reporting.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Her hubby said the same thing except his theory is:

Mother Rolled Over Baby Lisa, Will Be Found In A Few Days And Won't Be Charged With Murder, But Will Be Charged With Lying To The Police. (Stated In The Video)

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/2...-killed-her-by-rolling-on-her-while-sleeping/

Thank You, Patty G for the link ...

So ... on Monday 10-17-11 Linda Baden was on HLN touting the "smothered theory" (which I believe she got from a poster here at WS) :waitasec: ... AND then ...

Today, 10-21-11 DR. Baden is on fox touting the same theory" -- as well as Dr. Baden -- who is a "pathologist" -- decides to put in his :twocents: regarding "LEGAL ISSUES" ... :waitasec:

Gee ... can you just imagine this couple's dinner conversations ?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[frankie069]

I'm not sure what % of the country knows about Lisa's disappearance, but I can say that if the case starts to fade out of the media, by this time next year, the name "Lisa Irwin" won't ring a bell for most people. With a lot of these cases, it's in one ear, out the other, and unless the case is getting massive coverage for years, the case won't retain its name recognition. How many people knew that Kyron Horman was a missing child from Oregon back in the Summer 2010 but wouldn't recognize his name today? How many people were on Kyron's forum back then, and how many are on his forum today? I'm always glad to see a missing child get national coverage, but I always wonder how that coverage will be in the long term.

So right you are. Kyron disappeared off the face of the earth, literally and media wise as well. He seems to be a case that was just forgotten about and yet at the same time I dont see the families out there pushing for his return either. Not that I ever suspected his dad I might add. I dont want to see that happen again in this case. How heartbroken. Makes you understand why the police are so out there pushing for answers, they dont want to have a child cold case file on their hands.. We want them to be out there pushing for answers no matter how much some people may be offended by it..

 

[katydid23]

Lisa is a big strong baby. It is hard for me to believe that someone rolling over on her would kill her. Wouldn't she struggle, make noise, push back a bit? It is not like rolling over on a 6 wk old child. The mom would have hadto roll over completely on top of her and be totally passed out. And what about the sleeping brother. Would he sleep through that struggle of baby Lisa trying to kick free?

 

[Patty G]

If killing someone when drunk driving is considered a homicide, I have a hard time buying his opinion that smothering your baby while drunk would not be considered a homicide.

Well, let's see how this progresses as I love having clips like this to reference later on.

 

[Patty G]

Lisa is a big strong baby. It is hard for me to believe that someone rolling over on her would kill her. Wouldn't she struggle, make noise, push back a bit? It is not like rolling over on a 6 wk old child. The mom would have hadto roll over completely on top of her and be totally passed out. And what about the sleeping brother. Would he sleep through that struggle of baby Lisa trying to kick free?

Quoting Judge Judy: "If it doesn't makes sense; then it is not true."

 

[frankie069]

If killing someone when drunk driving is considered a homicide, I have a hard time buying his opinion that smothering your baby while drunk would not be considered a homicide.

Baden needs to stay out of things in my opinion, how he can think a mother smothering her baby even if by accident and leading them on a kidnapping wild goose chase isnt against the law is beyond me.. Now if she would have called the police asap when this happened, yes, accidental, now its not longer accidental. Especially being they are collecting money over the loss of their daughter. That now is fraud on top of it.

 

[Patty G]

Note to self: You can't accidentally kill your baby in a fit of rage."

 

[epiphany]

Fox National

Kansas City Police now pursuing 65 out-of-state leads.

 

[kikid]

The witnesses who saw the man with the baby... was it a live baby? Thinking of when dad was expected home, if something happened in the home perhaps someone there with mom took the baby from the home in anticipation of dad's returning??? Why was he walking??? perhaps he walked to the home that evening/night ??

just my thoughts on this.

 

[frankie069]

How do you know they didn't take it? What if they carried it down the driveway away from the road to prevent contamination or maybe they took it back there to package it and load it up inside a trailer they were waiting to arrive later on? It's not a small item you know...

More speculation.

I thought I saw them take it. JMO

 

[AnaTeresa]

Lisa is a big strong baby. It is hard for me to believe that someone rolling over on her would kill her. Wouldn't she struggle, make noise, push back a bit? It is not like rolling over on a 6 wk old child. The mom would have hadto roll over completely on top of her and be totally passed out. And what about the sleeping brother. Would he sleep through that struggle of baby Lisa trying to kick free?

If she had rolled over on her and accidentally smothered her, why stage a kidnapping? Why not just act as if she had died in her crib from SIDS? It doesn't make sense to stage a kidnapping from an accident.

And if she DID stage it from smothering - did she leave the boys alone? Surely the one boy would notice when mom left and returned. Furthermore, she couldn't have gone far to hide Lisa (unless she had help), so I'm thinking LE would have uncovered something by now.

Things just don't add up in either direction for me in, in this case.

 

[mysteriew]

Thank You, Patty G for the link ...

So ... on Monday 10-17-11 Linda Baden was on HLN touting the "smothered theory" (which I believe she got from a poster here at WS) :waitasec: ... AND then ...

Today, 10-21-11 DR. Baden is on fox touting the same theory" -- as well as Dr. Baden -- who is a "pathologist" -- decides to put in his :twocents: regarding "LEGAL ISSUES" ... :waitasec:

Gee ... can you just imagine this couple's dinner conversations ?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

It sounds like they are anticipating being called for the defense.

 

[SurfieTX]

The statement goes on to give examples of the parents cooperating with police, such as signing consent forms for searches, allowing police to issue an Amber Alert, and allowing their sons to be taken for interviews that is trained in interviewing children
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:13 PM

"Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley had no role in the disappearance of their daughter. They are praying for her safe return. They need the public to look for their little girl and for the public to report anything they think might bring Lisa Renee home."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:12 PM

"Debbie and Jeremy want one thing: The safe return of their little girl."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:11 PM

The statement continues, "The police, however, have starved these parents by withholding information about the investigation. The police have isolated the parents and repeatedly told the press they are not cooperating. Lisa's parents are cooperating with this investigation and will continue to offer their help in the search for their beautiful little girl."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:10 PM

"They have taken all calls from detectives, and answered questions posed again and again. In the initial hours of the investigation they tolerated accusations; volunteered to take polygraph examinations; continued to work with detectives even after the interviews turned into pointed accusations. Lisa's parents resisted the idea of working with lawyers because as innocent parents, they did not believe they needed any legal help. Family and friends convinced them otherwise"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:10 PM

The statement from Short says that Lisa's parents continue to cooperate with police despite statements from police saying they have not been cooperating
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:08 PM
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We have just received a statement from Cynthia Short, the attorney representing Lisa's parents
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 1:06 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bRS1dGoo

 

[SurfieTX]

^^for the above^^. Start at the bottom and read up. It makes more sense that way.