Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[marge_rita]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-eyewitnesses-speak-14785603

Just watched the interviews with the "witnesses" ...

So ... now we have witnesses talking to the media "claiming" they saw Baby Lisa on the night she went "missing" ...

And the "baby" these witnesses claim they saw was only wearing a diaper, was being carried by a "man" who was walking the streets / neighborhood in the cold weather in the middle of the night ...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ...

Hmmm : if you "kidnap" a baby, are you going to be walking around the neighborhood with the baby in the middle of the night, or get the "hello out of dodge" ?

:waitasec:

Sounds like a bunch of bull hockey. It's taking these people 18 days to come forward..........yeah right. :doh:

imo

 

[marge_rita]

Thank You for this link, Nurse !

Some interesting comments by Dan Abrams on "eyewitness testimony" ...

Dan Abrams: " ... Let's start with the fact that eyewitness testimony tends to be notoriously unreliable. ... "


MOO ...

bbm

Can I get an amen.

imo

 

[LancelotLink]

Fox News saying cadaver dogs hit in mom's bedroom.

 

[nursebeeme]

cadaver dog hits in Irwin home **developing** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community cadaver dog hit thread... move on over

bumping up in case anyone missed it

 

[frankie069]

An FBI cadaver dog indicated a “hit” inside the Northland home where Lisa Irwin disappeared from her crib, according to an affidavit police filed to support a request for a search warrant of the house.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/3221138/cadaver-dog-has-hit-inside-house.html#ixzz1bRbAIjQW

There you go.. THATS why they dont want to answer questions.. Are we going to now say that the kidnapper turned on all the lights, killed Lisa IN THE HOUSE, took her dead body, threw it someplace, and took cell phones.. Let the story keep taking on a life of itself.. Arrest the mother now.. Time to move to the other thread now..

 

[marge_rita]

Good points. And was he also carrying clothing?

In order for this to be the person who took baby Lisa, he would have had to have broken into the home, turned on all the lights, grabbed the phones and the baby, left. When and why did he remove her clothing? And where was the clothing since it wasn't found around the house? And presuming the baby stayed asleep while he picked her up, why would he chance her waking and crying while he was removing her clothing?

Because it wasn't baby Lisa?!:innocent:

 

[katydid23]

Fox News saying cadaver dogs hit in mom's bedroom.

I would like to know more about that. How reliable is that hit? Are there false positives that might make a dog hit on that spot?

Maybe this is why LE has been so certain about searching there over and over again.

 

[marge_rita]

Just a thought... I have a son who has asthma. If he gets a croupy cough I will take him out at night, in a diaper, but with a blanket around his shoulders, to get some of the fresh night air. It tends to help him out with his breathing a lot.

I don't totally discount the 4am sighting however I wonder if this mans mind decided that baby Lisa was what he saw instead of something/someone else. I mean the baby could have been bigger/smaller, the guy could have been a mom with short hair instead or a dad haggard looking from caring for a sick child all night. The possibilities are endless here.

I do know that if the police have checked into this and discounted it that I believe them.

As far as the couple that saw a man with a baby, well.. their story is changing just as much as DB's it seems like to me and I have to wonder at their motive. :waitasec:

ETA: Also, if this was a week after that he reported this how can he be positive it was the exact same night that Lisa went missing? It could have been the day before or after even? I can tell you things I saw and heard last week but to pinpoint the exact day, unless it was something special that happened that day and it was out of my normal routine when I saw it I couldn't guarantee you what exact day it was.

2 children, who when young, had asthma. We never walked in the middle of the street at midnight with our kids. We did however sit on the back porch.

 

[marge_rita]

So right you are. Kyron disappeared off the face of the earth, literally and media wise as well. He seems to be a case that was just forgotten about and yet at the same time I dont see the families out there pushing for his return either. Not that I ever suspected his dad I might add. I dont want to see that happen again in this case. How heartbroken. Makes you understand why the police are so out there pushing for answers, they dont want to have a child cold case file on their hands.. We want them to be out there pushing for answers no matter how much some people may be offended by it..

Excellent post.
Other's who vanished:
Kyron, Haleigh C., Madelyn, Hally Dunn, and the list goes on.

 

[marge_rita]

:gthanks:

Note to self: You can't accidentally kill your baby in a fit of rage."

That would make a great siggy line.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

If she had rolled over on her and accidentally smothered her, why stage a kidnapping? Why not just act as if she had died in her crib from SIDS? It doesn't make sense to stage a kidnapping from an accident.

And if she DID stage it from smothering - did she leave the boys alone? Surely the one boy would notice when mom left and returned. Furthermore, she couldn't have gone far to hide Lisa (unless she had help), so I'm thinking LE would have uncovered something by now.

Things just don't add up in either direction for me in, in this case.

Possible answer, she didn't roll over on her and smother her.

 

[stilettos]

Fox News saying cadaver dogs hit in mom's bedroom.

OK...is the hit in Mom's room, Lisa's room or both....cause it matters.

 

[marge_rita]

From the KCStar Twitter:

#Breaking: An FBI cadaver dog indicated a “hit” in Deborah Bradley’s bedroom, according to an affidavit. More to come. #LisaIrwin

I expected as much.

 

[Boytwnmom]

perspective and they are attempting to portray their clients in a positive light and there are no time frames attached to what they claim their clients have done so all it sounds like to me is that early on they were not limiting their cooperation but as the focus became on them they stopped cooperating which is basically what LE said, they've had no unrestricted interviews since October 8th. The article included this:

Short said she and the couple are weighing a request from police for a new interview with detectives and are considering the terms under which they might agree.

So, clearly the couple is "negotiating" their cooperation which is part of what has been moving me off the fence, as, IMO, this level of self interest is not compatible with normal parental reaction to a missing infant. I acknowledge that the first couple of days DB's reaction was more of the type of frantic and hysterical one that one normally would associate with having a missing child. But that quickly morphed into a defensive and uncooperative response where time was spent on TV shows defending her drinking rather than displaying photos and asking for help for her missing child. I can't pretend to figure out the father-he is so flat of affect as to seem almost comatose at times and there appears to be little emotion of any type displayed by him.

I think the defense atty's are just responding to the optics of the situation which has LE getting a search warrant to take the house apart and where the search has seemingly been focused on areas very near the residence and where the parents are forbidden access to the residence. Unless LE is wrong, which is certainly possible, they are investigators not mind readers after all, it doesn't look good for the parents and this is what the defense atty's are focused on. LE is focused on solving the crime-their mission is very different than the mission of the parents' attys and these separate missions may actually be quite incompatible.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20...#ixzz1bQ9kNFV5


And this is why I'm fence-sitting. What more does LE want? How do they define not cooperating? What more can the parents really do, if they ARE innocent?

In no way am I trying to bash LE, as it seems like they are doing a good job investigating. But this squabbling in the media about cooperating vs. not cooperating has gone on far too long, and is making everyone involved in the case look bad.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

2 children, who when young, had asthma. We never walked in the middle of the street at midnight with our kids. We did however sit on the back porch.

I had to do the walk and bounce to calm my son down. I used to walk up and down the sidewalk in front of our house. There were a few times I did a trip around the block. I didn't walk in the middle of the street but if our street wouldn't have had a sidewalk I'd have walked on the side of the road. My son is 7 now and I can get by with sitting cuddling him on the porch. It's sooo hard to see them suffer like that :cry:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Vinnie Politan covering new developments now on HLN.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

There hasn't been a whole lot of coverage here, TBH. Little blips here and there.

http://www.5newsonline.com/

STILL top news with my (newly) favorite local station! I'm proud and happy to say these folks have been on the story all along.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Lisa Irwin case coming up on Inside Edition in my neck of the woods (north-suburban Detroit). Video will be on the website eventually if you miss it.

ETA: Article and video at link http://www.insideedition.com/news/7070/friend-of-lisa-irwins-mom-says-she-has-a-dark-side.aspx

 

[Patty G]

Neighbor interviewed and shown on HLN ...

I am taping it and will post in the media thread.

 

[momtective]

Neighbor interviewed and shown on HLN ...

I am taping it and will post in the media thread.

Just coming here to post that Patty G.

:yourock: