Live MSM coverage on baby Lisa 21 October 2011- including Nancy Grace

[Sammiejam]

The 2 sitings appear to be made by a husband/wife who live on DB street and Motorcycle dude riding 3-4 miles away. I think its relevant since we don't know that the couple knows the other man who told LE about Tshirt clad man carrying baby in diaper on that cold night. Descriptions were the same for male build, baby, clothing. For that reason, I think its believable.

The problem I have with Motorcycle sighting is that it was made A WEEK after the face AND after A LOT of media attention.

I think LE have checked out both so-called sightings and found evidence to eliminate both.

 

[panthera]

Do you guys think LE has found these phones and got lucky that the info didn't get leaked or released?

I doubt it, unless it was as a result of the most recent search.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

When DH and I were young parents in the early '70s, people told us about putting Whiskey on a baby's pacifier to help them "conk out". We were never big drinkers, so we bought a bottle of Canadian Club for this purpose. We were never sure if it worked or not and ended up tossing the bottle because we didn't care to use it. There are probably a lot of parents who have done this, but I can't tell you whether or not it's helpful in getting children to sleep or stay asleep. jmo

My mother-in-law...a teetotaler...did this with her kids to help numb their gums when they were teething. It was very common back in "the day."

 

[AlmostGone]

they could have... they very well could have... they tried to seal the search warrant today

Thats what made me wonder..There is a reason why those phones are missing IMO... Id love to know what kind of phones they are...

 

[Curious Me]

Stacy H. saying cadaver dogs hitting positive in the house makes the investigators start focusing on an investigation in the house. It's not derailing the search.

Yet, JI's sister, Ashley is reported to have said both parents are cooperating and she believes Baby Lisa is alive and will be found. I wonder if she is going to start processing the fact of the cadaver dogs now.

 

[MissJames]

Meaning someone in shock? Who? This person supposedly is a man and JI was at work.

Again, sorry I don't believe the last sighting.

I don't either. Just answering the question literally.

 

[dizzychick]

My mother-in-law...a teetotaler...did this with her kids to help numb their gums when they were teething. It was very common back in "the day."

that horrible and I never heard of that but I guess a drinker would think it was ok. I used a sugar teet, crushed ice and sugar on a rag. now im sure they will say its bad for their teeth LOL

 

[panthera]

Stacy H. saying cadaver dogs hitting positive in the house makes the investigators start focusing on an investigation in the house. It's not derailing the search.

Yet, JI's sister, Ashley is reported to have said both parents are cooperating and she believes Baby Lisa is alive and will be found. I wonder if she is going to start processing the fact of the cadaver dogs now.

I wonder also. Seems often many people don't want to believe the cadaver dogs; as we have seen in other cases.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE had the phones and there was something there, combined with the cadaver dogs hit and the changing timeline, I think there would probably be an arrest. I don't think they found the phones, or else they weren't helpful.

 

[matou]

The problem I have with Motorcycle sighting is that it was made A WEEK after the face AND after A LOT of media attention.

I think LE have checked out both so-called sightings and found evidence to eliminate both.

I would think that the sound of a motorcycle would wake up a sleeping baby. If the baby wasn't moving when the guy saw the man and baby, then it was either a dead baby or a doll. I would also think that a guy on a bike at 4 am would pizz off a lot of his neighbours.

 

[panthera]

I don't either. Just answering the question literally.

I know.


I agree, however, someone in shock could be wandering around aimlessly, even carrying a dead baby. Not in this case though.

MOO

 

[dizzychick]

I still say this was alota smoke and no fire maybe all aimed at getting under the skin of the guilty one.

 

[frankie069]

That's what I meant. If they didn't find those phones in the 16+ hours they searched, they are ghost phones!

Ghost phones as in non existent. I dont know about that because I am sure they would have had to give phone numbers to the police and easily check this out by calling the carrier and getting a subpoena for the records. That would be too easy to check out IMO.

 

[katydid23]

So, do you think that the same man was carrying this baby around out in the open for several hours? Because the "sightings" were several hours apart.

It is possible that he was inside a car or an abandoned home or his own home during most of that time. Maybe the first sighting caught him walking to a vehicle. Maybe he stashed the baby somewhere and did some 'errands' and then was sighted the second time on the way to another part of the 'mission.'

 

[nursebeeme]

Stacy H. saying cadaver dogs hitting positive in the house makes the investigators start focusing on an investigation in the house. It's not derailing the search.

Yet, JI's sister, Ashley is reported to have said both parents are cooperating and she believes Baby Lisa is alive and will be found. I wonder if she is going to start processing the fact of the cadaver dogs now.

she seems to be a few degrees removed from that night.. was a talking head for a bit..later pushed aside by BS and JT and furthermore replaced by marine cousin.

so how does she know a thing about that night other than what close family told her or lawyers advised her to say.

I am not bashing. and I know you were quoting an article... I am only pointing out that what she says is basically fourth..maybe fifth hand info... ((like degrees from actuality the night Lisa vanished))

I have lots of issues with her statements..(Ashly)

:twocents::twocents:

 

[my_tee_mouse]

that horrible and I never heard of that but I guess a drinker would think it was ok. I used a sugar teet, crushed ice and sugar on a rag. now im sure they will say its bad for their teeth LOL

Ah, but she wasn't a drinker. She never had a drink in her life. Back in the day they didn't have a Walgreens on every corner, so they used whatever remedies were at hand. MIL's sister had terrible arthritis in her legs at a young age. They rubbed kerosene on her legs because they thought it would help ease the pain! Kerosene. Can you imagine??!! Of course when I was little mothers thought nothing of giving kids paregoric (aka camphorated tincture of opium) for the slightest tummy ache. You didn't even need a prescription to get the stuff either.

Point being...families hand down home remedies. Some are good...some, not so much and downright dangerous.

 

[dizzychick]

I think the decoy theory is more plausible than an abductor wandering around with an undressed baby for all to see. But, who on earth would agree to be the decoy? How would he know that he wouldn't be busted by patrolmen (who might not make an immediate connection to the Amber Alert, but would certainly know later that this dude did not have a live or dead Lisa (assuming the decoy stunt didn't involve actuallly carrying sweet Lisa)? How would those who sent him to be the decoy know that he wouldn't be busted and squeal like a pig? I mean, the whole point of a decoy is for the person to be seen. What if he had been seen by PD or by someone that called 911 pronto?

I think both sightings are unrelated. Hopefully, both reported in good faith, but just turned out to be unrelated or not what the witnesses thought they saw.

JMO...

the brother who took her for the wine that night. Does he fit the description? and where was the baby when she was at the store?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Ghost phones as in non existent. I dont know about that because I am sure they would have had to give phone numbers to the police and easily check this out by calling the carrier and getting a subpoena for the records. That would be too easy to check out IMO.

It was just a joking way to say that I was pretty sure that they had found the phones.

 

[dizzychick]

Ah, but she wasn't a drinker. She never had a drink in her life. Back in the day they didn't have a Walgreens on every corner, so they used whatever remedies were at hand. MIL's sister had terrible arthritis in her legs at a young age. They rubbed kerosene on her legs because they thought it would help ease the pain! Kerosene. Can you imagine??!! Of course when I was little mothers thought nothing of giving kids paregoric (aka camphorated tincture of opium) for the slightest tummy ache. You didn't even need a prescription to get the stuff either.

Point being...families hand down home remedies. Some are good...some, not so much and downright dangerous.

I was think about that. parageoric i was given it for my girls colic didt work either LOL

 

[norest4thewicked]

It is possible that he was inside a car or an abandoned home or his own home during most of that time. Maybe the first sighting caught him walking to a vehicle. Maybe he stashed the baby somewhere and did some 'errands' and then was sighted the second time on the way to another part of the 'mission.'

I just don't find that plausible.