LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 24 OCTOBER 2011

[JeannaT]

the reporter mis reported it would seem.. as he was saying "white pants" they show the video clip of a white shirt (lol)

Wow, it's the same video? (I couldn't get it to play). That headline is REALLY misleading - holy cow.

 

[Rooster27]

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/2...an-carrying-baby-on-night-irwin-went-missing/

just on foxnews insider

is this about the blob again, lost patience while it was loading but the text above the video seems to be the "same old same old" from yesterday.

Um....did the wife of the witness husband that we have yet to see, say the man carrying the baby had white pants on? Is this the game of telephone now, or is this accurate. I have heard white t-shirt, but i didn't think white pants.

"??????? anyone, anyone....."

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm confused about why posters think she would lie about blacking out. To me, that's pretty incriminating, and for her to admit it takes a little chink out of her story. It puts into question her perceptions that evening, and opens the possibility that she observed and forgot what happened to L.

I don't understand why the posters who are the most sure she is guilty believe that she is lying that she blacked out to make herself appear innocent. It does just the opposite - IMHO - it ads a dimension of unreliability to her story.

The black out thing for me is this:

DB never says FOR SURE that she blacked out. She's asked "could you have blacked out" and she says "its possible". HUH? :waitasec:

Either you black out or you don't. How could it be "possible". Either you remember when you finally wake up or you don't. There is no grey area with a black out. If she did, in fact, black out, then why isn't she saying - "yes, when JI came home and woke me up - I couldn't remember anything - not even how I got in bed or what time". Not a circumventing of the question by a "its possible" response.

JMHO

 

[JeannaT]

is this about the blob again, lost patience while it was loading but the text above the video seems to be the "same old same old" from yesterday.

Um....did the wife of the witness husband that we have yet to see, say the man carrying the baby had white pants on? Is this the game of telephone now, or is this accurate. I have heard white t-shirt, but i didn't think white pants.

"??????? anyone, anyone....."

I think they both said dark pants - the neighbor woman, and the motorcycle guy. It looks like Fox is just misreporting.

We always reach a point in these stories where we know more than the reporters - disconcerting to see major news networks report things that we here know is inaccurate.

 

[nursebeeme]

Another national media outlet, with large budgets and resources, is reporting a lead in the Lisa Irwin investigation that once again, police deny.

ABC News claims Kansas City, Mo. police are looking at surveillance video from a nearby gas station, video ABC says may support the theory that Lisa Irwin was abducted from her home in the middle of the night.

However, when FOX 4 asked KCMO Police about the report and the video, police responded with an email to us, which indicated they consider these national news theories and investigations rogue and amateur, if not unhelpful.

Surveillance video obtained by ABC News comes from a BP gas station near the Irwin house. It shows a man emerging from the woods at about 2:30 a.m. although it doesn't appear he is carrying a baby.

Capt. Steve Young, Public Information Officer with the police department responded to the latest national news theory with the following email:

email snip:

"I know you have to ask, but I cannot comment on details and don't want to even try keeping up with media freelance investigations."

http://www.kplr11.com/news/wdaf-theories-in-lisa-irwin-disappearance-20111023,0,5063646.story

 

[Peliman]

This is GROSS, but babies can get a rotavirus that makes their feces smell like death. I guess adults can get it too, but it's memorable to me because my babies all had bouts with stomach viruses, and the doc would actually ask, does the stool smell like a dead animal. And it did, too.

Just throwing that out there.

Hah, should have been more clear, I'm speaking about the dogs hitting on blood, some will and some wont, depending on their training. It apparently depends on what LE is looking for.

A dog that hits on blood will also hit on any band-aid, tampon, smear or test tube of blood, imagine searching a city dump with a cadaver dog that hits on blood. Most are trained not to and a hit will generally be backed up by other dogs. I will always refer to Oriah and sarx though. It's all in the training.

I know nothing of or if dogs hit on baby carp.

 

[JeannaT]

The black out thing for me is this:

DB never says FOR SURE that she blacked out. She's asked "could you have blacked out" and she says "its possible". HUH? :waitasec:

Either you black out or you don't. How could it be "possible". Either you remember when you finally wake up or you don't. There is no grey area with a black out. If she did, in fact, black out, then why isn't she saying - "yes, when JI came home and woke me up - I couldn't remember anything - not even how I got in bed or what time". Not a circumventing of the question by a "its possible" response.

JMHO

I have to admit in my past I've gotten together with girlfriends and had too much wine, and that's how blackouts appear to the person - they don't know whether they had one unless they're told or shown something they should be able to remember but don't. It's not clear that is the case with her - so she wouldn't know whether she'd blacked out or not.

As you drink more and more, ironically, you can have blackouts with less alcohol and they become frequent with episodes of drinking. Brain damage.

Unless she is shown or told something she did or said that she can't remember, it's unclear to her whether she blacked out or not. Sorry this is confusing - what I'm saying is no one "remembers" that they blacked out - it's a blacked out piece of their evening.

 

[nursebeeme]

is this about the blob again, lost patience while it was loading but the text above the video seems to be the "same old same old" from yesterday.

Um....did the wife of the witness husband that we have yet to see, say the man carrying the baby had white pants on? Is this the game of telephone now, or is this accurate. I have heard white t-shirt, but i didn't think white pants.

"??????? anyone, anyone....."

it is about what developed yesterday.. but it was just on the news (this is the live msm coverage thread) ..

 

[Just K]

IF DB did blackout then she would remember nothing from the time of the blackout until she woke up. That would include her son getting into her bed with the kitten and that being because he had a nightmare.

She can't have it both ways. Either she blacked out or she didn't. It is just another excuse for supposedly not hearing anything.

About those phones, if she really did borrow a phone from her father or, his father or his grandfather. Wouldn't that be because that phone did have service. It's all a shell game.

 

[Marah]

IF that man in the video was exiting the woods without the baby, they better check those woods AGAIN. Cause it would be part of the duhfense if Lisa is found there that the "man" put her there.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Thinking outside of the box for a second, the carpet that was shown being carried out of the house may have been on top of the carpet in the parent's bedroom.

:rocker: I agree ... I was thinking the same thing ...

:waitasec: "speculating" here ... could the parents have "switched up" some carpet / rugs in the house ... :innocent: you know, to make it look like LE did not take carpet ..

So the parents / attorneys can SPIN their "story" ?

MOO ...

 

[Peliman]

Eye witness accounts can get sketchy, especially after time passes. It's not unusual to mix up colors of clothing after some time has passed or the insertion of certain information by another witness and yes your eye can play tricks on you and what you witness. Can you tell me what you had for dinner on Tuesday, two weeks ago?

 

[MamaK]

I have to admit in my past I've gotten together with girlfriends and had too much wine, and that's how blackouts appear to the person - they don't know whether they had one unless they're told or shown something they should be able to remember but don't. It's not clear that is the case with her - so she wouldn't know whether she'd blacked out or not.

As you drink more and more, ironically, you can have blackouts with less alcohol and they become frequent with episodes of drinking. Brain damage.

Unless she is shown or told something she did or said that she can't remember, it's unclear to her whether she blacked out or not. Sorry this is confusing - what I'm saying is no one "remembers" that they blacked out - it's a blacked out piece of their evening.

I agree. She could rememeber some things and be fuzzy or not really remember other things. I partied A LOT in college. Sometimes, I would remember the weirdest things, like dancing with friends to a certain song, but I wouldn't remember kissing some strange guy in a corner. lol Completely embarrasing and I'm never running for office so hopefully the little ones never find pictures. lol :innocent: :floorlaugh:

 

[JeannaT]

IF DB did blackout then she would remember nothing from the time of the blackout until she woke up. That would include her son getting into her bed with the kitten and that being because he had a nightmare.

She can't have it both ways. Either she blacked out or she didn't. it is just another excuse for supposedly not hearing anything.

About those phones, if she really did borrow a phone from her father or, his father or his grandfather. Wouldn't that be because that phone did have service. It's all a shell game.

I think you might be confusing "blacked out" and "passed out". You can have parts of your evening "black out" in your memory, and still be walking around and talking and as your BAL goes up and down, you can have parts you do remember interspersed with parts you don't. And you have no way to retrieve the parts you don't remember, unless there is evidence. (How did I get this huge cut on my arm, where is my car, who took me home, where is my bracelet) and then you can go on to remember later things in the evening. OR, you can remember things that are more memorable than just routine things like whether you turned out the lights or locked the door.

And let me tell you what, it's EMBARRASSING to have to reveal all this, it's humiliating. A part of my past that's best left long in the past. So i imagine for DB it is also humiliating.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15859553/new-surveillance-video-may-help-in-the-search-for-more-clues

video here says that there IS a lot of foot traffic in the area (towards the end).. per people who live near that area

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The video of this blob is of such poor quality I don't think it can be enhanced much. So I am frankly amazed press is calling the blob a man-how do they know the blob isn't female?

BBM: I agree ... very poor quality of the "BLOB" ...

MOO ... So 3 weeks later this "video" surfaces ... how "convenient" :waitasec:

MOO ... I think the parents / attorneys are "grasping for straws" ...


:ufo:

 

[Camille]

As a hairstylist for 14 years I know that there are people in this world that think that just getting your hair done will make everything all better. A woman could lose her entire family in a house fire and be neglecting her appearance as she grieves and at some point in time someone who cares about her is going to insist that she go and get her hair done and it's going to make her feel so much better. They may even drag her kicking and screaming to a stylist.

Generally they do tend to relax and put their concerns away for the short period of time that they are at the salon and when a person is under tons of stress even an hour of a break from some of that stress is a huge break for them.

Besides, if she wasn't keeping herself up people would be saying what a slob she was and that she probably didn't take any better care of Lisa than she did herself.:floorlaugh:

 

[tehcloser]

Eye witness accounts can get skethy, especially after time passes. It's not unusual to mix up colors of clothing after some time has passed or the insertion of certain information by another witness and yes your eye can play tricks on you and what you witness. Can you tell me what you had for dinner on tuesday, two weeks ago?

Yes I can.......it was a neighbors birthday and we had steak. :great:

 

[curiousjo]

5 PM DB bought wine at grocery store
5:20 PM Home & JI leaves for night shift
5:30-6:30 DB cooking dinner, cleaning kitchen
6:40 PM
-Neighbor & daughter arrive for dinner
-Baby Lisa placed in bed
7PM Baby Lisa standing up in bed -Last seen?
10:30 PM Neighbor leaves & states lights in home went out
1030 PM - 3:30 AM 5 long hours! What happened?
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12 AM Siting by neighbors of man in his late 30's- early 40's wearing white T-shirt & black pants - carrying baby clad in diaper - walking down street from direction of DB house
2:30 AM Rumor of text to DB cell phone "I'm ready when you are"
(I would think LE would know who sent the text- rumor has it from brother)
4 AM 2nd Siting of man carrying baby 4 miles away by highway /grave yard

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Cadaver dogs hit on scent on floor by DB bed. IF that was due to a deceased Baby Lisa, it generally takes 2.5-3 hours for decomposition to be detected by these dogs. So, Baby Lisa would have passed away by 9:30 PM at the latest, if the man was carrying her at midnight.
----When did JI, neighbor and boys last see Baby Lisa?

 

[mysticrose]

I wasn't sure where to put this, this is sad . Cleo Jones is missing, he is 73 years old, he went looking for Baby Lisa believing she was his grandaughter.
He has Alzheimer's, he is diabetic and he also has high blood pressure, and has been missing since Wed. 19th, he is from Ferguson, Mo.

I started a thread for him here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7274507#post7274507"]MO Cleo Jones 73, MSG Oct. 19, 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

and here is the article:

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ar-old-who-went-searching-for-baby-lisa-irwin