LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 24 OCTOBER 2011

[CharlestonGal]

That's not my experience with blackouts. And sad to say, I do have experience with blackouts. You literally don't remember whether you had one - it's a blank place in your memory. The thing is, when you drink what she drank - not horribly much, IMHO, she will remember things and not remember others, and won't know what she doesn't remember.

People who drink often (she's pretty much said she does) will experience these as blank parts that unless someone points it out to her or it becomes obvious by physical evidence that she missed something, she won't know whether she had a black out.

Hopefully others who had a bit of a party past will chime in here. : (

I've never had a blackout personally, but I used to be a drug and alcohol abuse counselor and have spoken to hundreds of people who have. Many people do not understand the term "blackout". What it means is that something (typically a drug) interferes with the brain's memory function. The person is typically behaving normally, functioning, talking, cooking or anything else, just fine. The problem is that the drug short circuits the part of the brain responsible for transferring short term memory into longterm storage. As a result, that span of time does not get transferred into longterm memory and is not retrievable anymore. A blackout can span as little as a few minutes or many hours.

Also, people do not behave abnormally during a blackout. The person is perfectly aware of what they are doing during the blackout, carry on normal conversations, function at work even. It is later that it becomes apparent that that span of time did not make the transition into longterm memory.

It is not the same as "passing out." Passing out means the person went to sleep or became unconscious. They are not walking around.

Hope that helps.

 

[In da Middle]

In this morning Today Show, with Peter Alexander, we did see a black & white cat roaming about. I wonder if the cat is a prop, too. Have any neighbors ever seen that cat before?

All this hoopla about the cat is driving me nuts. Yes, the cat is a neighborhood cat. I can tell you which house it resides. Stray cats, while not an everyday thing, are not a rarity here. Stray dogs too. My kids would have taken in any stray they found if they thought they could get away with it.

 

[JeannaT]

And NBC was allowed access to the home last night after the prayer vigil.....
Joe on NBC Today this morning also......

IMO, they are milking this for all they can.

Well that's how news works. They have to sell their ad space, and providing news content that the public watches is how to do it.

It's a hot story. The more indepth coverage they can offer (an interview with their attorney, footage of the vigil, an exclusive look inside the home) the more viewers they will have.

 

[frankie069]

It doesn't appear to me that they're working for the defense or prosecution. They're investigating. I'm not sure how asking for video from businesses in the area is working for the defense - and IMHO LE should have been on that from day 1. It's a little concerning that a TV station got coverage before LE asked for it - after weeks of that opportunity.

Thank goodness someone is turning over every stone.

I have to say that once again LE isnt telling us everything as they shouldnt tell us every thing that is going on. I really feel that no matter how many times you might hear them come on TV saying they dont know this or that, that they do know a lot more than they are saying. If you let a suspect not think they are a suspect they are going to screw up. That to me is what they are waiting for, on top of whatever they are doing behind the scenes.

The only thing I am confused about and not happy about it how they arent able to question the parents on what they found in the house. No where have I heard that the parents have gone back to the police station for more questioning after this search warrant. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. If a cadaver dog gets a hit, then why isnt someone being arrested. I am also confused as to how the floor wasnt taken apart and the wood taken if thats what they had to do. This is like putting a puzzle together with half the pieces missing or half the pieces belonging to another puzzle to throw you off. But you are so right, everyone is saying the same thing. What about LISA. She has gotten lost in this shuffle. Even the media talks about the parents and not Lisa anymore. She has become that forgotten child already. Maybe we should have a thread on here on what can be done to find that child. Forget about the parents for now, Lisa holds the key. Maybe we need more people from that area on here to see if they are willing to go out and search places for her the police havent. The NG seemed to have been called in for one day and one search only. Seems to be they would have been put to good use walking that river bed and searching the landfill. LE needs to start from square one again and re-search everything with as many dogs as they can get their hands on. That baby is out there. We need to find her.

 

[Just K]

Why do these have to be mutually exclusive? She could have jumped up and run around the house, run out and flagged down the cops, and then collapsed into a quivering ball on the floor. (After all, she does have an anxiety disorder of some kind). My guess is that if she did that, it was after police were there and she realized that the baby was gone, in which case, LE would be able to confirm that. If they ever confirm/deny anything.

We shouldn't jump to the conclusion that something is a lie if there is a logical explanation for it.

The point is that the lawyer is making statements that directly refute both the taped interview statements of DB & JI as well as their statements in the People Interview.

He needs to listen to everything they have said since the beginning and every little change in their rendition of that evening. What the lawyer says ought to be in line with what the client has stated.

Even if, at any time after DB reported Lisa missing, DB was on the floor quivering, it does not mean that when she flagged down police and gave them the run down, of the evenings events, that she did not say, "No, I didn't look there...because i was afraid of what I might find."

Remember lawyers always take things out of context. I would believe JT if he weren't refuting the details as they were stated by his clients.

In addition, I believe at some point she was a quivering mess but that doesn't preclude the fact that she spoke to LE, OUTSIDE, when they arrived.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Now if she blacked out, after passing out, she may just think she was sleeping.

Ha! :crazy:

 

[JeannaT]

I have to say this.

I really am on the fence with the facts, but I am pulling VERY HARD that Deborah is innocent. That way, Baby Lisa is most likely out there and can be found alive and well. I celebrate every piece of evidence that appears to lead toward a kidnapping, and I cringe at news that something has been uncovered that points in the direction of Deborah's guilt.

Not because I'm a Deborah supporter. Because I'm a Lisa supporter, and hope every day they find that sweet darling baby.

So I do get frustrated when sometimes on this board posters seem more welcoming, and more ready to believe damning news against Deborah than they are welcoming of news that maybe she was kidnapped.

 

[Nannn]

A few random thoughts about DB's drinking and possible blackout..1: You don't buy boxes of wine if you plan on having a relaxing glass of wine or two with a neighbor after the chores of being a Mom are basically finished. You purchase boxes of wine because you drink a LOT and you drink OFTEN, because it's cheap and there's a LOT of it. 2: Someone with a higher tolerance does not pour a "typical" glass of wine (5-6 ounces) they fill that glass half or 3/4 full. From the looks of the wine glasses in that one picture (the 2nd house, not their own) those wine glasses look to be 18- 20 ounce wine glasses (in a restaurant, you would "normally pour 5-6 ounces in them- when at home, you'd fill those bad boys up at least halfway..8-10 ounces) 3: I knew a woman who "used" her cleaning time as drinking time (justified it to herself somehow..just fyi she passed away from cirosis of the liver 8 years ago) So DB's house and kitchen being clean does not mean anything IMOO.. 4: I know another person who was pulled over and the cop was shocked at how she could be "functioning" and so coherent with her blood level at .24 and she personally told me that she had drunk at least 12 beers and has perfect recollection of all that occurred the entire evening and the conversation/arrest with the police afterwards. (Yes this person was/is an alcoholic, on the wagon now) So, in all this rambling (I am a bartender/restaurant mgr) DB's "blackout" is questionable, IF she is a regular, heavy drinker..her tolerance level would be much higher than the average persons', no matter what the blood alcohol charts say. I cannot say she IS a regular drinker with a high tolerance, but if a police officer were to ask my "professional opinion" about it (which I realize is worth nothing lol), I would say she is a regular (probably heavy) drinker with a high tolerance for alcohol. No words on what any of this could mean to anything related to this case but just because she drank possibly up to 40 ounces of wine (she said she had 5 glasses), does not mean she was "incapacitated" She could have been in a functioning state, albeit a drunk one.

 

[Velouria]

I was just listening to a Kansas City morning talk show, and they played a sound clip from Tacopina, where he claims that cadaver dogs pick up on "any human decomposition," including toe clippings and baby poo.

I'm so frustrated because after playing the clip, it was immediately followed by a clip about the surveillance video, and there was no discussion about the validity of Tacopina's claim!!

After hearing Sarx and Oriah explain cadaver dogs, I know that <modsnip> assertion is wrong, but I'd bet the majority of the listeners don't know this, and may believe that the cadaver dog hit was discredited.

Grr...

If that's the case, then the dogs will hit ought to hit on Tacopina's defense theory, too. Toenail clippings? Please.

 

[Just K]

All this hoopla about the cat is driving me nuts. Yes, the cat is a neighborhood cat. I can tell you which house it resides. Stray cats, while not an everyday thing, are not a rarity here. Stray dogs too. My kids would have taken in any stray they found if they thought they could get away with it.

Where I come from...very few outdoor cats anymore...too many diseases from fleas, tics, mosquitoes and ferals. I just wouldn't put it passed Def Attorneys to make sure a cat gets on film. I won't get into why members are concerned about the whole addition of the kitten in the bed thing...we have a whole thread for it. But it has bothered MANY of us.

 

[butwhatif?]

Is it just me or does this seem more like 'opposite land?'

So many coincidences and firsts on that night.

The dogs that always bark, were silent.:silenced:
The man that only works days, worked the night.:werk:
A kitten replaces a baby.:cat:
And now the alleged kidnapper breaking into a home to steal a baby is dressed all in white? :doughboy:

Gee that doesn't draw any attention does it? White blends in so well at night for a B&E,robbery,abduction/murder.

And this mans physical description changed between the first sighting, the surveilence video (where he/she doesn't appear to be carrying anything), and the final sighting.ut em up::ghost:



Where are you Lisa???? raying:

 

[drip~drop]

I personally could not fathom having a makeover while my baby was missing, abducted, whatever they prefer to call it! I'd see myself still out searching EVERY day on my own, regardless of what my attorneys or the LE told me, they only way I'd stop would be if they arrested my butt. Has anyone seen ANY of this family conduct a search, organize a search, ask for help searching, etc?

Was she at the GMA studios in person? Just asking because they may have had hair & make-up do her over quickly to be "presentable" for tv. (?)

No, I've not heard of any of the family out looking for that precious baby.
imo, why look when you probably already know? imo
I've already flopped to one side of the fence so please don't think I'm trying to defend her. (about the hair/makeover)

Something very bad happened on her watch. imo.
I could make a list, but I'll spare ya'll as most already have already said what I needed to say.
jmo :cow:

 

[SyraKelly]

I don't know if anyone has experience this,but with me..when I drink- I wake up A LOT during the night and my thoughts are racing and I have to drink soda or water.I did read somewhere that a lot of people wake up several times when they've had to much to drink.
maybe a nurse on here will know what I am talking about.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Well that's how news works. They have to sell their ad space, and providing news content that the public watches is how to do it.

It's a hot story. The more indepth coverage they can offer (an interview with their attorney, footage of the vigil, an exclusive look inside the home) the more viewers they will have.

I understand how the news works.

It seems the attorneys are more concerned with improving the publics opinion of Deborah than finding Baby Lisa. IMO And I find that disgusting.

I find it disturbing that Deborah and Jeremy can sit for an interview with People, yet can't meet with detectives because they don't like the ones they've been talking to. Who does this? Oh, I know- Casey, Ronald, Misty....etc.

 

[yllek]

I still think there was a lot more activity going on that night than just drinking on the stoop with the neighbor and everyone going to bed. This has always been my gut feel and is just imo based on the way Debbi has told the story from the start and how she changed the story later.

A "black out", whether it's true or a defense tactic, is a better excuse if there is much more to Debbi's activities the night Lisa disappeared because the person would be actively doing things, but completely out of it. They may not remember much, if anything, they did during a black out. As noted upthread, "passed out" would be just crashing after a certain point of intoxication - wouldn't explain any activity going on after supposedly going to bed. Konesha Smith (Mariha's mom), for example, admitted she was passed out after a house party when angel Mariha was abducted. She got highly intoxicated, stopped functioning, and was dead to the world for hours... JMO...

I do wish there had been more pointed questions about the details of that night when the parents were still talking to MSM, though I know the interviewers were probably told what was off limits.

 

[UMfanforever]

So....ABC is working for the defense? So sad and disheartening....how far reaching is it? Do they pay witnesses? For "exclusives"? Do people who post for the defense or ABC on the blogs get paid? DB and JI hit the jackpot. Little Lisa seems to have been forgotten in the full blitz to defend DB and trash LE.

I believe I read they were the same network that did that with Casey, so nothing is shocking. MY OWN OPINION

 

[JeannaT]

I understand how the news works.

It seems the attorneys are more concerned with improving the publics opinion of Deborah than finding Baby Lisa. IMO And I find that disgusting.

I find it disturbing that Deborah and Jeremy can sit for an interview with People, yet can't meet with detectives because they don't like the ones they've been talking to. Who does this? Oh, I know- Casey, Ronald, Misty....etc.

They have sat for an interview with LE, and are still taking calls and answering questions, as stated by LE.

They have not agreed to an "unrestricted" interview, and I'm quite positive they didn't agree to that with People mag either - I don't think they would have sat there for hours of being told they're liars and murderers.

 

[AlmostGone]

I don't know if anyone has experience this,but with me..when I drink- I wake up A LOT during the night and my thoughts are racing and I have to drink soda or water.I did read somewhere that a lot of people wake up several times when they've had to much to drink.

Not me but I stopped even drinking a sip of any alcohol after my ex boyfriend many years ago was having bad reactions to it... He would drink, become violent, then swear on his life he never touched me, he even had a knife at me. Obviously I'm no longer with this person and happily married but it was a very scary, confusing,heartbreaking time for me... I'm wondering if Lisa's mother suffers from something similar .. Wish we had a specialist on how alcohol can affect the brain.. I won't touch the stuff.... She may have killed her baby and not remember?

 

[CharlestonGal]

I don't know if anyone has experience this,but with me..when I drink- I wake up A LOT during the night and my thoughts are racing and I have to drink soda or water.I did read somewhere that a lot of people wake up several times when they've had to much to drink.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Alcohol has a profound effect on the normal sleep cycle, which occurs in stages, and is disruptive to restful sleep. One of the first things we tell people who complain of problems with sleep is to avoid the use of alcohol for several hours before bedtime. Alcohol may help you fall asleep, but will interfere with the normal sleep cycle after that. This is the reason one of the symptoms of hangover is feeling tired the next morning; it messes with your quality of sleep.

 

[JeannaT]

Not me but I stopped even drinking a sip of any alcohol after my ex boyfriend many years ago was having bad reactions to it... He would drink, become violent, then swear on his life he never touched me, he even had a knife at me. Obviously I'm no longer with this person and happily married but it was a very scary, confusing,heartbreaking time for me... I'm wondering if Lisa's mother suffers from something similar .. Wish we had a specialist on how alcohol can affect the brain.. I won't touch the stuff.... She may have killed her baby and not remember?

That could have happened, but IMHO there is no way that she was so drunk that she wouldn't remember that, and then was able to hide the remains and evidence so well that this exhaustive search hasn't uncovered it.

By my calculations she would be fluctuating around .1 BAL during the evening. Too drunk to legally drive safely, but certainly not too drunk to function, and remember profound things like planning how to dispose of your deceased baby. THAT's memorable.