LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 24 OCTOBER 2011

[Plumeria5]

I think Baby Lisa started crying in the night because she was hungry. Mom was drunk and to keep her quiet taped her mouth shut inadvertently also over her nose and she suffocated. I don't what guy she got to help her dispose of Baby Lisa but that is my take. Wasn't there tape taken from the home?

 

[madge]

the People interview says that dinner was cooked for the neighbor as well, so surely someone had to see Baby Lisa.

 

[SyraKelly]

I understand completely. But think about this: drinking is NOT illegal. Even being drunk and causing an accident (so long as a car or other dangerous equipment is involved.) She was not under some kind of CPS review, which maybe could (possibly) have given her that idea. She was not on probation or parole for anything. There is no reason that this average woman would cover up an accident.

Then the only thing I can think of Karmaa-is this was not an accident and she knows it-I can not get beyond the dog hitting on the carpet in bedroom...

 

[Emeralgem]

I followed it enough to know that these people all had huge red-flags around them. They were druggies and Dad not only had a history of abusive behavior, and run-ins with the law, but he also had a fondness for under-aged (or barely-legal) girls, and a history of making bad judgement calls. All of those things are signs of risk.

Lisa's parents do not have such a history. All accounts say that they were good, loving parents, who worked hard and were responsible. One blogger pointed out that what pulled her heart was that the initial report said that Lisa had a bug bite under her ear. As she said "these are parents who CARE".

Thank you for responding.. Only problem I see in regards to them supposedly being good loving parents, a parent isn't a good or a loving parent IMHO if they allow themselves to get wasted to the point of not knowing what they are doing especially when they have chidren in their care and the children need to be attended to...JMHO..

 

[BritsKate]

I still don't understand the presumption that the parents, if involved, would have to be 'criminal masterminds'. :waitasec:

There are just so, so many missing persons cases (presumed homicides) in which parents who are not criminal masterminds have not been charged and remains left undiscovered.

Kyron Horman, Hailey Dunn, Haleigh Cummings, Skelton boys, Alessia & Livia Schepp and I could literally go on for paragraphs. None of those perps were members of Mensa, imo - they simply got lucky.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay, here's the video of Jeremy talking about the 2 hours. (around the 2:40 mark)

http://video.insider.foxnews.com/v/...-questions-caused-her-to-fail-polygraph-test/

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Very brief update on Inside Edition just now - "mystery man" video and candlelight vigil. If you haven't seen it, check the Inside Edition website for article/video.

 

[curiousc]

Did any of you see these tweets?

BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
As Deborah Bradley walks into house I asked her why she hasn't done local interviews. She said "because we're grieving". #LisaIrwin
3 hours ago

Bonyen Lee
BonyenKCTV5 Bonyen Lee
Lisa Irwin's family attorney tried to outrun local reporters Sunday after giving networks a tour of the family home.
4 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/BonyenKCTV5

 

[SyraKelly]

I think Baby Lisa started crying in the night because she was hungry. Mom was drunk and to keep her quiet taped her mouth shut inadvertently also over her nose and she suffocated. I don't what guy she got to help her dispose of Baby Lisa but that is my take. Wasn't there tape taken from the home?

or she could have used the tape to wrap the baby in something

 

[Karmaa]

I see your side, definitely. But to me, what hits my gut is that extreme self-preservation kicked in. And around the family time they cut off local media, made an 'exclusive deal' with a network, plus the numerous tiny changes, oddities. I say this with all due respect as my gut doesn't stand up in a court of law. Plus, I'd love to be wrong and see Lisa alive.

Just one point: they did not make "an exclusive deal" with MSM. What they did was stop talking to local reporters (who from what locals say, were horribly rude and offensive to them), and only speak to national media - but they spoke to many different stations. This makes perfect sense to me for the following reason: the local affiliates are GOING to run the national stories. But the national media might not run the local stories. By going to the national media, the family gets the most exposure - both national and local.

There was never anything sinister about this decision in my mind.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Could someone link to where it's stated Jeremy was questioned about a two hour period of time that he was home with Lisa.. And could an accident have occurred during that time?

Because if this old info that was stated way back at the beginning then IMO it means nothing as far as indicating they believe or don't believe Lisa was alive by the time Jeremy left for nightshift.. In the beginning of the case they would be asking about every minute of that 24hours and would not have a firm timeline at all thus the question makes sense..

Could someone link to Jeremy's stating this about the two hour period of time?

 

[Leila]

Does it no occur to JT that this man possibly was carrying out a dead baby to dispose of for the Irwin family. JMO

Yes! Although many would think that seeing a man carrying a baby would logically fit the scenario of an abduction................it could also be that they were witnessing someone carrying a deceased baby in the process of disposing of the child.

All three witnesses stated that the baby was wearing only a diaper, and that's one of the reasons that the incident stood out to them. It was cold and they were concerned about seeing a baby with nothing other than a diaper.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

LE has stated they are fine with his hours. They have him on video working for the time he told them he was working. That only leaves the 2 hours in between jobs.

Then LE must know that the neighbor, the boys, and the neighbor's daughter never saw Lisa that night, right? Otherwise, why would they even think it was possible that Jeremy killed Lisa before going to work?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Could someone link to where it's stated Jeremy was questioned about a two hour period of time that he was home with Lisa.. And could an accident have occurred during that time?

Because if this old info that was stated way back at the beginning then IMO it means nothing as far as indicating they believe or don't believe Lisa was alive by the time Jeremy left for nightshift.. In the beginning of the case they would be asking about every minute of that 24hours and would not have a firm timeline at all thus the question makes sense..

Could someone link to Jeremy's stating this about the two hour period of time?

I did. Look up thread.

And since I was good enough to post a link supporting what I've said, could someone who claims that LE has said that JI has an air tight alibi with respect to when he got home from work please post a link to THAT info? TIA

 

[Karmaa]

I still don't understand the presumption that the parents, if involved, would have to be 'criminal masterminds'. :waitasec:

There are just so, so many missing persons cases (presumed homicides) in which parents who are not criminal masterminds have not been charged and remains left undiscovered.

Kyron Horman, Hailey Dunn, Haleigh Cummings, Skelton boys, Alessia & Livia Schepp and I could literally go on for paragraphs. None of those perps were members of Mensa, imo - they simply got lucky.

OR possibly their children were kidnapped, as they claim.

 

[curiousc]

The next door neighbor who came to drink with DB that night is very quiet. This could be classified as unusual or maybe she just doesn't want to speak to media. It could be because she is a character witness for DB of the occurrences of that night, OR could it be because LE does not want her to talk as she has information that she did not see Baby Lisa when she was over that night?

 

[SyraKelly]

The next door neighbor who came to drink with DB that night is very quiet. This could be classified as unusual or maybe she just doesn't want to speak to media. It could be because she is a character witness for DB of the occurrences of that night, OR could it be because LE does not want her to talk as she has information that she did not see Baby Lisa when she was over that night?

I think its LE does not want her to talk

 

[MamaK]

I think they are talking about the 2 hours before he went to the Starbucks job.

 

[Elley Mae]

Could someone link to where it's stated Jeremy was questioned about a two hour period of time that he was home with Lisa.. And could an accident have occurred during that time?

Because if this old info that was stated way back at the beginning then IMO it means nothing as far as indicating they believe or don't believe Lisa was alive by the time Jeremy left for nightshift.. In the beginning of the case they would be asking about every minute of that 24hours and would not have a firm timeline at all thus the question makes sense..

Could someone link to Jeremy's stating this about the two hour period of time?

Look at post #646 this thread

 

[a mothers heart]

Hi all, i am new here, have been a lurker for a while and saw something today and wanted to share it. In a link someone posted today:
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne.../nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home
The part in the video where the attorney is in Baby Lisa's room and show the framed print of the hand and foot -- to the left of that on the wall is a splatter of some sort. I think the lighting from the camera was hitting it just right to have it show up. Could be milk from baby throwing a bottle? Could be anything really, just wondered if anyone else saw it. Also, other thoughts -In the parents room, on the floor by the stand up fan and the rifles, the outlet has no cover on it. Guess the home is not child proofed with guns and electrical outlets where a baby or child of any age could get harmed. Also, why were there boxes and a carseat type thing in Lisa''s bed? Was she sleeping in the carseat thing on top of the boxes or what? and lastly, how does anyone know JI is the biological father?