Local 6 Uncovers New Info in Anthony Case

[Ssejors]

I do believe she needed the shovel to dig a grave. If you think about the length of a gardening shovel from end to end, wouldn't a mop have been longer, or a broom more convenient if you needed to drag a little body to the side of the pool. A shovel isn't even a helpful shape IMO.

A bit late and off topic but I agree. If you have a pool, you would have pool wands, or those long reaching poles for scooping out bugs and for rescuing people. Wouldn't that have been faster, and more discrete than running across the street, hoping the neighbor was home to lend a shovel?

 

[logicalgirl]

Yup, gotta agree with those who are calling this the Defense Propaganda Bus!

As for the Defense attempting to seed doubt in the minds of potential jurors, let's just remember a couple of facts here.

What the jury who is sitting in this trial, will be hearing is evidence we have been poring over for months. Solid clear indisputable evidence that has been slowly and carefully verified by the very best experts available.

Then we have the actions and words of ICA herself - statements she herself has attested to and signed off on.

We should remain calm at these very very superficial attempts the Defense is making at the pretense they have a defense to even argue.

These rebuttals will sound as far fetched and grasping at invisible wisps of smoke to the jury as they sound to us. I think we may even see smirks from the jury that may even match the one that Baez sports as they listen to the defense attempt to raise any defense at all against the charges directed at their defendant.

Kumbaya, my friends!!! Stay calm and carry on!!!

 

[Sparky]

The jury will not be coming from Orange County, we know that. I also believe they will not come from any of the counties surrounding Orange County or where the local News Stations are televised. Therefore, I believe it will be hard for the defense to put doubts in the potential jurors minds. I agree with logicalgirl stay calm my friends. Justice for Caylee is right around the corner.

 

[Nore]

:floorlaugh:

Are they intending on establishing that he could have moved the tape, applied the tape, staged the scene...to what end? It still doesn't jive with anything Casey said...or claimed in her own words. IMHO they're intent is just to make things messy. What they tend to forget is that Roy K. is not the one who'll be on trial. The State will have a field day with this...attacking the "hero" in this story? I hope the Defense has something better than this 'cause I doubt the jury will take kindly to dragging RK through the mud.

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I am sure the tape would show different types of damage depending on how long it had been there.The remains were under water,wouldnt they normally move around? I hope he does go with this,they will mop the floor with him!:woohoo: I dont forget animal activity either.:banghead:

 

[Nore]

I swear, it's like the defense is convinced they can make orange juice come out of an apple. They just keep going sideways into things that make no sense and really, can be rebutted in ways that just makes Casey look worse. I would LOVE for them to accuse him of tampering in court and then the prosecution comes back with a graphic description of how the animals tampered with her body too. These lawyers are the biggest morons I have ever heard of!

I mean, really? Saying the crime scene was staged by the man who found Caylee is not only revolting, but ridiculous. How is that going to get them over ALL of the other evidence? It won't. No jury is going to be dumb enough to fall for that. It's really a level of stupid that I didn't think they would surpass. I was wrong again.

Baez and Mason, if that is all you've got, you might as well stick that needle in Casey's arm yourselves. Seriously.

Aedrys, sometimes I wonder.I hope you get what I mean..

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Are they intending on establishing that he could have moved the tape, applied the tape, staged the scene...to what end? It still doesn't jive with anything Casey said...or claimed in her own words. IMHO they're intent is just to make things messy. What they tend to forget is that Roy K. is not the one who'll be on trial. The State will have a field day with this...attacking the "hero" in this story? I hope the Defense has something better than this 'cause I doubt the jury will take kindly to dragging RK through the mud.

That's what I thought. I'm just seriously sick to death of them acting like random pieces of information are somehow extremely significant and groundbreaking. As if it would matter if Kronk picked up and examined the skeleton? Not that he did, but the defense will just mindlessly lock on to random details, assuming people will assign some meaning to them - when my only question so far has been "so what?"

-ICA is not allowed private visitation/unfilmed visits
-her food orders are public
-documents are released
-Kronk did stuff in the past (played warcraft, etc)
-Maybe Kronk moved the skull
-there is a media circus

Ok...but so what? I get that the defense, specifically Baez doesn't like these things, but when he is constantly in court stammering and making nonsensical, irrelevant, incorrect, almost funny comparisons to "To Kill a Mockingbird" (did he ever read it?) and (I guess) expecting people to fill in the blanks in a way that is favorable/sympathetic to his side...I really have to question what in the world is going on.

His thinking is very hard for me to follow. All jokes aside - his thinking is very incomplete and unusual. It would be like if I had a problem with my neighbor and I didn't like him. So I want sympathy from my family and I then go into a tirade about how he doesn't lock his car, and he wears funny clothes... and I then expect everyone to have sympathy and agree with me that I am right about something (but I never say what the argument is about). Hope that kind of makes sense. It's a really hard thing to explain. Considering this is a murder trial - and he is spouting off this incoherent nonsense and stands there as if he said something important is just bizarre to me.

And again with this hearing he's talking about the door being slammed, etc. So what? She's behaving a certain way in a certain situation. It's not unheard of and probably very common. Why bring that stuff up? I admit, imo, nothing tops the "Mockingbird" tangent, but it's so indicative of his flawed thinking.

 

[AZlawyer]

That's what I thought. I'm just seriously sick to death of them acting like random pieces of information are somehow extremely significant and groundbreaking. As if it would matter if Kronk picked up and examined the skeleton? Not that he did, but the defense will just mindlessly lock on to random details, assuming people will assign some meaning to them - when my only question so far has been "so what?"

-ICA is not allowed private visitation/unfilmed visits
-her food orders are public
-documents are released
-Kronk did stuff in the past (played warcraft, etc)
-Maybe Kronk moved the skull
-there is a media circus

Ok...but so what? I get that the defense, specifically Baez doesn't like these things, but when he is constantly in court stammering and making nonsensical, irrelevant, incorrect, almost funny comparisons to "To Kill a Mockingbird" (did he ever read it?) and (I guess) expecting people to fill in the blanks in a way that is favorable/sympathetic to his side...I really have to question what in the world is going on.

His thinking is very hard for me to follow. All jokes aside - his thinking is very incomplete and unusual. It would be like if I had a problem with my neighbor and I didn't like him. So I want sympathy from my family and I then go into a tirade about how he doesn't lock his car, and he wears funny clothes... and I then expect everyone to have sympathy and agree with me that I am right about something (but I never say what the argument is about). Hope that kind of makes sense. It's a really hard thing to explain. Considering this is a murder trial - and he is spouting off this incoherent nonsense and stands there as if he said something important is just bizarre to me.

And again with this hearing he's talking about the door being slammed, etc. So what? She's behaving a certain way in a certain situation. It's not unheard of and probably very common. Why bring that stuff up? I admit, imo, nothing tops the "Mockingbird" tangent, but it's so indicative of his flawed thinking.

I think:waitasec: the defense theory about Kronk moving the skull is that, if Kronk lifted and dropped the skull with his meter stick, then the mandible would have separated from the skull, so if Dr. G had pictures of the mandible attached to the skull with duct tape, then the mandible was "arranged" that way. By Dr. G? By her "new hire" guy who started the autopsy? By Yuri? Who knows?

 

[mitzi]

For the past few days it's beginning to look as though the defense is in the process of pre-brainwashing the potential jury pool. Isn't it amazing that JB, who stressed the importance of a non biased, non prejudicial jury is helping the media put out all of this not new misinformation? Just when I thought he couldn't make my stomach turn anymore he outdoes himself. Maybe I need to stock up on the Pepto too.
His defense strategy has changed almost on a weekly basis, but now he seems to be getting down and dirty, just a glimpse into what we will see him doing and saying at trial.

Personally, I think that JB is not smart enough to ask the right questions at depos. I think this whole thing with "Pippy" is all Mason. He's been at this for 40 years, and he doesn't want to fail in his last "fun" case, so I think he's willing to do just about anything to at the very least, cause a mistrial, and at the most, a not guilty result. :sick:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think:waitasec: the defense theory about Kronk moving the skull is that, if Kronk lifted and dropped the skull with his meter stick, then the mandible would have separated from the skull, so if Dr. G had pictures of the mandible attached to the skull with duct tape, then the mandible was "arranged" that way. By Dr. G? By her "new hire" guy who started the autopsy? By Yuri? Who knows?

Don't forget about Caylee's hair... someone with enough knowledge about what happens when duct tape is wrapped around a two-year-old babies face knew enough to meticuously reattach Caylee's hair to her skull, just so.

I really want to know what is so special about Casey Anthony that out of all the people in Orlando (over a million) why she was picked by Orange County Police and Detectives, the FBI, Medical Examiners, and a Meter Reader to frame for the murder of her child? I mean really? That is what they expect us to believe? Maybe they'll explain that to us at trial??

 

[RR0004]

I think:waitasec: the defense theory about Kronk moving the skull is that, if Kronk lifted and dropped the skull with his meter stick, then the mandible would have separated from the skull, so if Dr. G had pictures of the mandible attached to the skull with duct tape, then the mandible was "arranged" that way. By Dr. G? By her "new hire" guy who started the autopsy? By Yuri? Who knows?

Could also explain the tape perhaps slipping off the "nose"...for us anyway. It doesn't explain IMO how the tape would release itself from the hair mat...which I would think would be difficult to do.

 

[RR0004]

That's what I thought. I'm just seriously sick to death of them acting like random pieces of information are somehow extremely significant and groundbreaking. As if it would matter if Kronk picked up and examined the skeleton? Not that he did, but the defense will just mindlessly lock on to random details, assuming people will assign some meaning to them - when my only question so far has been "so what?"

-ICA is not allowed private visitation/unfilmed visits
-her food orders are public
-documents are released
-Kronk did stuff in the past (played warcraft, etc)
-Maybe Kronk moved the skull
-there is a media circus

Ok...but so what? I get that the defense, specifically Baez doesn't like these things, but when he is constantly in court stammering and making nonsensical, irrelevant, incorrect, almost funny comparisons to "To Kill a Mockingbird" (did he ever read it?) and (I guess) expecting people to fill in the blanks in a way that is favorable/sympathetic to his side...I really have to question what in the world is going on.

His thinking is very hard for me to follow. All jokes aside - his thinking is very incomplete and unusual. It would be like if I had a problem with my neighbor and I didn't like him. So I want sympathy from my family and I then go into a tirade about how he doesn't lock his car, and he wears funny clothes... and I then expect everyone to have sympathy and agree with me that I am right about something (but I never say what the argument is about). Hope that kind of makes sense. It's a really hard thing to explain. Considering this is a murder trial - and he is spouting off this incoherent nonsense and stands there as if he said something important is just bizarre to me.

And again with this hearing he's talking about the door being slammed, etc. So what? She's behaving a certain way in a certain situation. It's not unheard of and probably very common. Why bring that stuff up? I admit, imo, nothing tops the "Mockingbird" tangent, but it's so indicative of his flawed thinking.

BBM- ok...I obviously missed something while on vacation. What the heck happened during this hearing? TIA

 

[mitzi]

I think:waitasec: the defense theory about Kronk moving the skull is that, if Kronk lifted and dropped the skull with his meter stick, then the mandible would have separated from the skull, so if Dr. G had pictures of the mandible attached to the skull with duct tape, then the mandible was "arranged" that way. By Dr. G? By her "new hire" guy who started the autopsy? By Yuri? Who knows?

Bold mine.

That sounds about right, AZ, but the defense may be forgetting one thing....and forgive me for the nonchalant way I write this...but, if Kronk picked up Caylee's skull and juggled it all around and then put it down, the mandible still wouldn't separate from the skull, because the duct tape was attached to Caylee's hair and had to be cut away by Dr. G....It wouldn't just fall apart.

I don't know how much more my blood pressure can take in regards to this defense team. :banghead:

 

[mitzi]

Don't forget about Caylee's hair... someone with enough knowledge about what happens when duct tape is wrapped around a two-year-old babies face knew enough to meticuously reattach Caylee's hair to her skull, just so.

I really want to know what is so special about Casey Anthony that out of all the people in Orlando (over a million) why she was picked by Orange County Police and Detectives, the FBI, Medical Examiners, and a Meter Reader to frame for the murder of her child? I mean really? That is what they expect us to believe? Maybe they'll explain that to us at trial??

Bold mine.

Sure...doncha know...that will be our ah hah moment. :maddening:

 

[mitzi]

BBM- ok...I obviously missed something while on vacation. What the heck happened during this hearing? TIA

I'm not Horace, but I think they mean how the defense talked (during the last hearing) about how Sylvia H. slammed her door in the defense's PIs face and refused to talk to him.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

BBM- ok...I obviously missed something while on vacation. What the heck happened during this hearing? TIA

Baez was in full drama mode describing the latest percieved injustice done to him and his humble defense team. Sylvia Hernandez was not cooperating with the (probable) witness tamperer Jeremiah Lyon. Lyon came to her house and she had the presence of mind to "slam the door" in his face. Then Mason insulted the police and the hearing was over shortly thereafter.

 

[catnron]

Could also explain the tape perhaps slipping off the "nose"...for us anyway. It doesn't explain IMO how the tape would release itself from the hair mat...which I would think would be difficult to do.

IMO: If the tape was put around Caylees mouth, nose or jaw area and then around the head, Dr. G would know where the tape was place from where the hair was released from the scalp with the tape that is stuck to the hair after death. If there is an image of Caylees skull, hair, nose Etc, it will show the length of Caylees hair, from that point it would show the exact position where the tape was placed before death and where it would be after the death, as the body detoriates the tape would start sliding away from the skull & the hair will release from the scalp. IMO, Dr. G knows for sure where the tape was placed around Caylee, she will not let Caylee down.

 

[SubtleGrace]

I understand that it is a defense lawyers job to get his clients out of the charges filed. What I would like to know is, outside of Hollywood (and I am including the OJ trial), is it always this common to make so many accusations against LE of tampering, jury tainting and outright frame-ups? Is there a count or list somewhere of each accusation? I would be interested in knowing!

 

[logicalgirl]

While I have been sitting reading all your excellent comments trying to work up enough outrage at this latest nonsense re Kronk setting the stage - I gotta wonder if Tony Piptone has even read the evidence by the experts of how the skull was found and what conditions surrounded it re the plant growth, soil, duct tape matted in the hair, etc., and it is almost laughable.

Which makes me wonder if there is something hinky about the timing of these bombshells. 'Cause I am sitting here kinda smiling to myself as I patiently wait for these two days of hearings next week, when the defense is going to get crucified.:waitasec::waiting:

Sure I'm willing to put the old hip waders on to stroll through this stream of red herrings in the meantime, to countdown sunday, monday and tuesday and then let us just see what HHJP has in store for Mr. Baez and Mr. Mason. :great: I'm sure it isn't appropriate to say it will be "fun" to watch, but.......:woot:

 

[tsitra01]

JB has always made some snide remark at every hearing. He sounds like a two year old. Whining about Sylvia Hernandez at this last hearing. LDB spoke up to add that Baez is
not telling us what comments were made to Sylvia (paraphrase) that may have caused her reaction. Unfortunately she was interupted by JP. Sylvia Hernandez is not the first
person J.Lyon has ruffled.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think:waitasec: the defense theory about Kronk moving the skull is that, if Kronk lifted and dropped the skull with his meter stick, then the mandible would have separated from the skull, so if Dr. G had pictures of the mandible attached to the skull with duct tape, then the mandible was "arranged" that way. By Dr. G? By her "new hire" guy who started the autopsy? By Yuri? Who knows?

I'm sitting here thinking - So What? If Kronk lifted the skull and the mandible shifted and put it down and it shifted back - or even if - God forbid - the mandible was "arranged" - what does this have to do with ICA's guilt or innocence? No seriously, when you look at the rest of the evidence regarding the skull, the soil, the plant life, the roots, blah blah, is Mason suggesting if one piece of the evidence was "arranged" so was the rest?

Huh? :banghead::banghead: So that makes ICA not guilty???:loser: