Local 6 Uncovers New Info in Anthony Case

[logicalgirl]

I'd bet he did..but used flowery words like Half truth, Misspoke. Seems everyone likes to shelter ICA from the harsh reality.

Aaahh, or take shelter from her blowups or not provoke her temper maybe? If ICA is truly a sociopath, it would be quite something to behold.

 

[Trapshooter]

The easiest way to determine brain damage is with a 72-hour ambulatory EEG or an MRI. None of which a mental health expert is trained in. Neurologists administer these tests.

Oh great! Here comes the "incest" excuses. :banghead: Yeah ICA is f'd up in the head but it comes from living with that lunatic mother of hers! I seriously do NOT believe that "something" happened to ICA during her childhood. ICA's problems have stemmed from never being held accountable for her lies, mistruths, stealing, etc. ICA has never had REAL responsibilities, no accountability, no retribution for her actions.

 

[logicalgirl]

LOL, me too! I feel like a bowl of jello. Just this morning I put out a whole different theory on the "What Happened to Caylee" thread and now I'm all in the Pool Camp.

I obviously can only think 5 minutes ahead. :crazy: :banghead:

:banghead::banghead: LOL I agree - it is crazy making - but then after a few deep breaths I remind myself if we are true sleuthers we are obligated to explore every theory the defense floats to see if it has any weight at all.....before we disregard it as rubbish.

See how I can talk myself into or out of just about anything?:great:
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[kaRN]

Ah! I think she used the shovel to fish Caylee out of the water. That's all she needed it for and that's why she could return it so fast, although I wonder why the shovel wasn't wet. Well, if it didn't have a wooden handle, was all metal, it wouldn't take more than a few minutes to dry out in the FL sun. I don't think she was ever intending (or even tried for a second) to bury Caylee in the backyard.

I do believe she needed the shovel to dig a grave. If you think about the length of a gardening shovel from end to end, wouldn't a mop have been longer, or a broom more convenient if you needed to drag a little body to the side of the pool. A shovel isn't even a helpful shape IMO.

 

[beach]

DROWNING?? REALLY??? How are they going to explain the Chloroform in the trunk, the computer searches for Chloroform, neck breaking and household cleaners? These are just the first of MANY questions that come to mind first. I seriously wonder if the Duh-fense team thinks anything through before they float their BS.
What the ????

Won't ICA have to testify and admit she lied about the "Zannysitter"? Is the defense going to tell the jury to just ignore their client sitting at their table and go with the version they made up for her?

This is all incredibly unbelievable!!! But hey.....this is JB and CM we're dealing with here!!

I thought of the chloroform too, and like you, it stopped me in my tracks for a minute. I'm not sure how to explain it other than she may have used chloroform in the past and either placed her in the trunk or maybe there was a high concentration on the WTP blanket and it transferred to the trunk?

Very good points. It is interesting to have another angle to consider though. Because I have never been able to find a "place" where Caylee was murdered that I felt totally comfortable with. The pool does seem plausible to me.

 

[sumbunny]

I do believe she needed the shovel to dig a grave. If you think about the length of a gardening shovel from end to end, wouldn't a mop have been longer, or a broom more convenient if you needed to drag a little body to the side of the pool. A shovel isn't even a helpful shape IMO.

Maybe I'm crazy, but if there were a dead toddler at the bottom of a pool, i'd think the only way to get them out would be to get in and pull them out.

 

[logicalgirl]

Maybe I'm crazy, but if there were a dead toddler at the bottom of a pool, i'd think the only way to get them out would be to get in and pull them out.

Yes, but I assume you had some sort of human emotion and cared somewhat about that child. Assume you had a piece of garbage in the pool (forgive me fellow posters :tears: ) would you also jump in to retrieve it?

 

[jennyb]

Yes, but I assume you had some sort of human emotion and cared somewhat about that child. Assume you had a piece of garbage in the pool (forgive me fellow posters :tears: ) would you also jump in to retrieve it?

Excellent point. Also, IF the shovel was used to retrieve her from the pool it could have been just to push the body to the side so she could reach in without getting completely wet.

Who gets wet pulling garbage out of the water when you can use an implement to bring it closer?

I do wonder if the A's didn't drain and clean the pool during that week they were doing their "gardening project".

 

[Solace]

DROWNING?? REALLY??? How are they going to explain the Chloroform in the trunk, the computer searches for Chloroform, neck breaking and household cleaners? These are just the first of MANY questions that come to mind first. I seriously wonder if the Duh-fense team thinks anything through before they float their BS.
What the ????

Won't ICA have to testify and admit she lied about the "Zannysitter"? Is the defense going to tell the jury to just ignore their client sitting at their table and go with the version they made up for her?

This is all incredibly unbelievable!!! But hey.....this is JB and CM we're dealing with here!!

I just love your post. Especially the part I bolded. Thank you.

 

[jennyb]

I thought of the chloroform too, and like you, it stopped me in my tracks for a minute. I'm not sure how to explain it other than she may have used chloroform in the past and either placed her in the trunk or maybe there was a high concentration on the WTP blanket and it transferred to the trunk?

Very good points. It is interesting to have another angle to consider though. Because I have never been able to find a "place" where Caylee was murdered that I felt totally comfortable with. The pool does seem plausible to me.

The chloroform give me pause too. I wouldn't be surprised if she used chloroform on Caylee in the past but for some reason think if she used it at the time of the murder it still doesn't account for the levels they found in the trunk.

Chloroform chloroform. Everywhere chloroform.

 

[ZsaZsa]

It's OK logical girl. The accidental drowning in the pool "trial balloon" is stupid and defies belief and logic. I hope they go with it. The jury is going to hate her guts.

They know that too. If there was ever a likelihood that a Jury would find a drowning 'accident' plausible then Baez or one of his 'super-lawyers'would have been all over the airwaves with it as soon as she was arrested.
Knowing they were going to leak this depo to a 'friendly' news source I am sure lots of the questions were posed with public consumption in mind...

 

[LolaMoon08]

I've lived in SW Florida for over twenty years. There have been too many accidental drownings of young children, more than I can remember anyway, but in all of the incidents that I can recall, the parents or care givers called 911 immediately.

There has not been a single "ugly coping" cover up for an accidental drowning. It happens. It's tragic. It's accidental. The public is sympathetic toward the parents loss and very few parents have been prosecuted for neglect. It has to be glaringly obvious that the child was unattended due to drug use or left home alone etc...

No reasonable parent hides the fact of drowning with duct taping and dumping the child's body down the road and calls it a kidnapping!

KC could have intentionally drowned Caylee and still presented an accidental drowning and perhaps gotten away with it.

I, as a juror, wouldn't believe for one second that this was an accidental drowning.

Good luck defense team.

OT: I live in Fort Myers too!!

I agree 100%

 

[sumbunny]

Yes, but I assume you had some sort of human emotion and cared somewhat about that child. Assume you had a piece of garbage in the pool (forgive me fellow posters :tears: ) would you also jump in to retrieve it?

Forgot about Casey's human emotion, or lack of it.

True..you make a valid point!

 

[Gma Kat]

:banghead::banghead: LOL I agree - it is crazy making - but then after a few deep breaths I remind myself if we are true sleuthers we are obligated to explore every theory the defense floats to see if it has any weight at all.....before we disregard it as rubbish.

See how I can talk myself into or out of just about anything?:great:
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Thank goodness, I thought it was just me :crazy:

 

[logicalgirl]

It's OK logical girl. The accidental drowning in the pool "trial balloon" is stupid and defies belief and logic. I hope they go with it. The jury is going to hate her guts.

that is so true, isn't it? Even if the jury is weighing the evidence and listening to the defense with an open mind - there is no way they will watch ICA in court, with the kind of body language she has, and that big grin as she walks in the door, and the flirting with her lawyer, and the non-responsiveness when Caylee is mentioned, and her fake tears when anyone is talking about her (ICA) - they will be repulsed.

At least I know I would be - she makes my skin crawl.

 

[strach304]

I know huh? I NEVER thought of an INTENTIONAL drowning scenario until now. ROFL! Thanks CM!

I wonder if they got this idea from Casey herself and her "clues" ?

 

[strach304]

But what I don't get is why she packed her up in numerous layers, threw her in the trunk of the Pontiac - and then what happened. Were her 10 minutes of concentration up?

Why drive around for days with Caylee's body in her trunk? And I won't believe you for a moment if you tell me you think she was having an "OMG - what have I done?" moment, minutes, hours, days....

I'd give her the needle for that alone. I still think the trunk and tape are the COD. Drowning is just a diversion by the defense.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The defense, if they are going to try and claim and accident and that Casey was "ugly coping" they are going to have to prove it to a jury. The State, imo, has enough evidence to convince a jury that Casey murdered Caylee. So the defense is going to have to explain away all the evidence that points to Caylee being murdered... and PROVE that there is a reasonable explanation for everything... and it was an accident. I just don't think that they can do that.

 

[strach304]

George may very well have seen ICA leave with Caylee the next morning/afternoon.
Then the moment George left for work, Casey returns. Then starts making plans for that evening. It's apparent that Tony was looking to hook up (she was with him that evening)

Cindy/George were not reachable to confirm babysitting. ICA tried calling them over and over in a flurry of phone calls. She was hell bent on seeing her Boyfriend that evening.

After not being able to reach Cindy/George. I believe casey may have raged at the thought of missing out on another date because of her 2 year old snot nose.

Seems ICA is easily angered judging by the jailhouse video of her imploding at her parents over the slightest of questions.

I think this is a crucial point that we cannot lose sight of. TL did not want Caylee there and come hell or high water Casey was determined to be with this guy. Lots of evidence has been uncovered to show that Casey was in love with him and looks like she would do anything to be with him. The contentious relationship Casey had with her mother is not the main motive I feel. When it comes right down to it if there had been an accident Casey simply did not want her time with Tony cut into by having to play the grieving Mom. Like her mother she was so concerned with appearances she wouldn't let Cindy and George take Caylee and raise her. How would that make Casey look?

 

[LC446]

I have always thought that the flurry of calls was the time that she did something to Caylee. The pool theory sounds very plausible. I think she made those flurry of calls to tell everyone that Caylee had fallen in the pool and wasn't breathing. The first problem was that no one answered. If in fact she had duct taped her face before throwing her in the pool, when she retrieved her, she was going to remove the duct tape to bolster her accidental drowning scenario, only to realize that it was in Caylee's hair and she couldn't get it out without cutting it. So how would she explain that Caylee accidentally drowned and she cut her hair? That was her second problem. So she bags her up, puts her in the trunk, thinking she will deal with it later. Decomp begins, and is rapid because of the heat, and thinking she would get rid of the smell, she just dumps her in a familiar area.