local media's first home tour and presser 10/27/11 **cancelled**

[JeannaT]

I think most of us have lost a child for a moment or two, or lost a pet and we do know what our first reaction would be. I lost my 2-year-old at a park one time and I was insanely searching, screaming his name, making a huge scene. I RAN full bolt for the nearest police station, but luckily ran past a Coke machine that he was standing in front of.
I can't say how I would have reacted if he has been missing for four weeks, but I think most of us believe that if we saw an empty crib, we would have woke the whole neighborhood in those first few minutes.

Some people do, I've seen that kind of reaction at Walmart, and I've seen other parents calmly search. But I agree an empty crib is different from a mobile child walking off, it's more of a concern.

First, Jeremy ran to the neighbor's house in case she had her. It may be that in that first moment, when Jeremy announced she was missing, Deborah's mind was racing to try to remember if the friend had taken her for the evening, wondering if she was somewhere totally innocent but knowing she might not remember it.

 

[natsound]

DB and JI are NOT some "young", naive couple!! :boohoo:

No matter how many times Cyndy S. says it and others repeat it. They have both been around the block, before, and both have a child with a previous partner....which is exactly why the exhausted excuse was pulled out of a hat, IMO. Those 2 little boys are being exhaustively coached about what they are expected to say, tomorrow.

bold by me

The interviewers will see right through that.

 

[JeannaT]

bold by me

The interviewers will see right through that.

That's very true. Takes a split second to get through that.

"Okay, I really appreciate your parents letting you come here, and you coming here, and I don't want to do anything your parents don't want us to do, because I know they're hurting and we don't want to hurt them. So if you just tell me the things they don't want us talking about, I'll write that down here and we won't talk about them". Bam. Out it comes.

 

[lauriej]

A missing children foundation would help for free if DB and JI asked for it. some are organized by victims of the missing, and are very compassionate and helpful to others newly in that horrific situation.

IMO

..gil abeyta drove out from colorado to offer his help, apparently they don't want it..

A Colorado man has a similar story to the one of Lisa Irwin's family. Gil Abeyta and his wife woke up on July 15, 1986 and their son Christopher was gone. He's still missing 25 years later.

Abeyta is reaching out to Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin.

"It didn't go as well as I wanted it to, but then again, I was telling them to do this do that," he said. "Talk to police, they didn't like it, you think they like someone coming in and telling them that?"

Working with the National Center of Missing Children out of Washington, Abeyta came with his own theories based on 25 years experience in missing children cases.

He didn't get much time with the family so he tried to make the most of it and pass on advice from his own case.

"You can not ignore the news media, the public," he said. "The police, you can not do that. That is your life line, that is who's going to help you."

He says he isn't sure if he will meet with Lisa Irwin's parents again..

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-col...y-of-baby-lisa-irwin-20111026,0,7864008.story

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15888077/two-parents-share-their-stories-similar-to-case

 

[Turnadot]

Some people do, I've seen that kind of reaction at Walmart, and I've seen other parents calmly search. But I agree an empty crib is different from a mobile child walking off, it's more of a concern.

First, Jeremy ran to the neighbor's house in case she had her. It may be that in that first moment, when Jeremy announced she was missing, Deborah's mind was racing to try to remember if the friend had taken her for the evening, wondering if she was somewhere totally innocent but knowing she might not remember it.

And then they were spent, apparently.

IMO

 

[pferrin]

Did the neighbor ever say that she saw Lisa that nite..3rd..while she was at the house..did she see a sleeping Lisa or an active Lisa? thanks much.

 

[JeannaT]

Did the neighbor ever say that she saw Lisa that nite..3rd..while she was at the house..did she see a sleeping Lisa or an active Lisa? thanks much.

Yes, she did. It was reported fairly recently - I think in People? She saw her, before she was put to bed.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Yes, she did. It was reported fairly recently - I think in People? She saw her, before she was put to bed.

I have that issue of People and I don't remember the neighbor being interviewed. I'll have to look again.

 

[JeannaT]

I have that issue of People and I don't remember the neighbor being interviewed. I'll have to look again.

It might not have been people. It was an article that was really long, and had a lot of detail in it from the beginning of the case.

I read it here on this forum. I don't know that the neighbor was interviewed for the article, it wasn't a direct quote, just a statement. IMHO.

 

[Abby Normal]

I think even if they just ask "tell me about..." they will see through it. How many of us don't know when a 6 or 8 year old are lying? I have one of each age and I can assure you that even a blind stranger could spot it. :lol:

ETA- umm... yeah... totally wrong thread.:banghead::blushing:

 

[ClueMeIn]

I would like a link for that article, because this is a big question that most of us have been asking.

 

[Mysti88c]

Some people do, I've seen that kind of reaction at Walmart, and I've seen other parents calmly search. But I agree an empty crib is different from a mobile child walking off, it's more of a concern.

First, Jeremy ran to the neighbor's house in case she had her. It may be that in that first moment, when Jeremy announced she was missing, Deborah's mind was racing to try to remember if the friend had taken her for the evening, wondering if she was somewhere totally innocent but knowing she might not remember it.

My thought in running to the police was to cordone off the area, so no one could leave with him. Then, maybe we could see if he had just wandered off. Seems like a good idea, before you start checking with the neighbors to see if they had "innocently" taken your baby without telling you.

 

[Donjeta]

Supposedly the neighbor watched the children while DB was out buying wine (but don't ask me for a link, I read it here today). If true she would have noticed if Lisa wasn't there.

 

[JeannaT]

Supposedly the neighbor watched the children while DB was out buying wine (but don't ask me for a link, I read it here today). If true she would have noticed if Lisa wasn't there.

That's different from the way it's been reported before -

Before, Jeremy was at home with the kids and left for work when Lisa returned from the store after buying the wine, about 5:20. Has this changed? Hmm.

I'll keep looking for the article where the neighbor saw Lisa.

 

[deelytful1]

Supposedly the neighbor watched the children while DB was out buying wine (but don't ask me for a link, I read it here today). If true she would have noticed if Lisa wasn't there.

I'm so confused! I thought JI was watching the kids... ugh. We need a timeline!

ETA: Oops I see we have one and I thank Shelby but I wish we had one that just listed the events from beginning to end. Maybe I'll try and get something together later if I have the time... The questions are killing me!

 

[Sigh Sister]

It might not have been people. It was an article that was really long, and had a lot of detail in it from the beginning of the case.

I read it here on this forum. I don't know that the neighbor was interviewed for the article, it wasn't a direct quote, just a statement. IMHO.

It's not in People. I'm almost 100% positive that the neighbor has not been interviewed by media and LE isn't talking. I think you may be remembering incorrectly because that is one of the big questions everyone has had and haven't been able to get an answer to.

 

[BritsKate]

I'm so confused! I thought JI was watching the kids... ugh. We need a timeline!

:floorlaugh: We have one but it keeps changing!

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=465"]Timeline and Reference Forum - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Minette]

FWIW, Abeyta's daughter has posted in another thread that her father Gil has connected with DB & JI and does not believe they are involved with Lisa's disappearance.

Also, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children has assisted with a least one search, the one in which the National Guard was also involved. Whether they are or have been in contact with Lisa's parents, I do not know.

 

[JeannaT]

It's not in People. I'm almost 100% positive that the neighbor has not been interviewed by media and LE isn't talking. I think you may be remembering incorrectly because that is one of the big questions everyone has had and haven't been able to get an answer to.

I had that question too, and I just feel strongly that it's been reported recently that the neighbor DID see Lisa.

I think I commented on that, when the link was posted so maybe just best for me to wade through the last 100 posts or so and see.

I'll resurface after awhile. ;D

 

[Sigh Sister]

I had that question too, and I just feel strongly that it's been reported recently that the neighbor DID see Lisa.

I think I commented on that, when the link was posted so maybe just best for me to wade through the last 100 posts or so and see.

I'll resurface after awhile. ;D

:seeya: If you find it, it deserves a thread of it's own. It would be "BREAKING NEWS " (I said that using my best Nancy Grace impersonation :crazy