long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

[SunnyinMO]

IKR? Every time he began speaking, she jerked her head up, looking at him anxiously, like, "OMG, what is he going to say now?"

After he seemed to be on the right, coached, path, she'd relax and go back to writing.

Did anyone see her face when RS said, 'PTSD is not a get out of jail card?' I wasn''t watching at the time...just listening. I stopped dead in my tracks!! I wonder if this might be when she was caught flipping the bird????

 

[ChinaBlue]

I think Juan used the word compassion but really meant something else (like the good doc is attracted to her and lost objectivity). he crossed the line.

Excuse me - I hope I misinterpreted what you wrote. Are you saying that JM "crossed the line"? I certainly hope not because it was RS who initially kept telling any and all (who wanted to listen to/belive him) about "how compassionate" he was. JM just threw it back in his face.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Hi everyone! :seeya:

Obviously I can't catch up as I've been off since last night.

Just wondering what came of JA passing notes to her mom. Do we know what the punishment was? Was the mitigation lady reprimanded and if so, how? TIA!

:seeya: I posted a tweet from Michael Keiffer from the Arizona live feed yesterday - he said he had been told that defence can transfer communications to defendants' mothers at trial, so no conspiracy (or words to that affect).

 

[Quester]

Was Jodi booked on Cancun trip with Travis?
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/22/was-jodi-booked-cancun-trip-travis

 

[mobius99]

Hopefully, all of the confusion will be cleared on Monday. FWIW, I think this is where we stand right now:

Ex #534 (3/14)-yellow lined paper with raw data; per Dick, JA answered test questions and he wrote them down.

Ex #535 (3/14)- Copy of official PSD scoring sheet, hand scored by Dick using answers from JA. Only includes scoring by Dick, no raw data (answers). Dick must have left the full PSD scoring sheet on his desk; JM requests that it be brought to court. Test score for symptoms is 17.

Ex #550 (3/21)- JM produces complete PSD scoring sheet without hole punch marks. Test score for symptoms is 15, different from previous Ex. 535. Dick confirms at no point in time did he provide this to the defense.

Dick is confused...JM asks him for copy of complete raw data sheet. Dick looks through notebook and finds one with hole punches "musta been here the whole time". Gives it to JM who enters it for evidence (we don't have an exhibit number on this yet). Dick asks to be able to bring it home, Judge tell him to talk to Nurmi.

Soooo...something hinky is going on.

In spite of lawyers not being smart enought to understand raw data, JM latched onto something big with this "expert".

Ex #550 presumably came from Janeen DeMarte, the upcoming expert witness for the defense.

We already know that the scores on Ex #535 and #550 don't agree. But the real kicker is going to come on Monday when we will find out if the scores on the yet to be numbered exhibit is the same as #535 or #550 or new score and how that compares to the yellow answer sheet (Ex 534).

Careless or fraudulent?

Stayed tuned for the next episode...

Yes it's very confusing.

The Dr testified that "he scored it twice"; ie the PSD (is that the right name for it?) test he administered. But my understanding is that "he scored it twice" from the same raw data; which he bubbled in himself when he transcribed the answers from his yellow sheet of paper; done that way because he didn't have the answer sheet with him when he administered it.

Everyone with me?

The two scores are 17 and then 15, in that order. (So why two scores if there is only one raw data sheet?) The 15 is the second score, the one he created when he was getting ready for his testimony. Which is off by 2 from the one he certified (is that the right term?) and submitted to prosecution.

So, I'm thinking the Dr created/forged a second raw data sheet to correspond to the score sheet. But he tripped himself up when he scored it a 15 instead of 17.

Thoughts???

 

[seguek9]

No matter how many times I see the initial interrogation tapes...it amazes me how perfect Det. Flores was for getting through her BS. Bravo Detective!!!

 

[Thurston]

I was reading about the murder of Travis Alexander on another site. As I scrolled down - BOOM - there was a picture of Travis Alexander taken by the medical examiner. The first picture showed Travis' face and the second showed Travis' back. I had never seen these pictures, and, wished I had not.

My question is - The jury has seen the pictures of Travis Alexander taken by the medical examiner, correct?

Presenting Travis Alexander's murderer as a PSTD Fog Admitted Murderer - makes the crime against Travis Alexander even more gruesome.

If Jodi Arias could butcher Travis Alexander - and not remember - what else could/has Arias done that she would not / does not remember? There is no excuse for Arias inflicting such damage to Travis Alexander.

When people leave their homes and say, "Did I forget to turn off the curling iron? Did I forget to turn off the iron? Did I forget to turn off the oven?," people go home and either find these things on - and, turn them off - or, find that they did indeed remember to turn them off (and their worry was unfounded).

No one comes back to find their curling iron on and says, "I left the curling iron on - I could not remember if I turned it off or not - my memory failed me - I was in a fog." Seeing the curling iron on means "you" forgot to turn it off before leaving home.

Seeing these pictures of Travis Alexander means that Arias is a evil savage beast. It does not matter if she remembers Arias remembers gripping the knife, thrusting her arm, forcing the knife into Travis Alexander body almost thirty times. Again, the fact that Arias was to "pretend" that she does not remember mutilating Travis Alexander makes her crime even worst (IMO).

If I were on this jury I would be offended - after seeing the pictures of Travis Alexander's body mutilated by evil - I would be offended that anyone would present "Fog, PTSD."

As a citizen of the United States - I am offended that this trial is being dragged out so long. The defense has had almost five years to prepare. Arias is more than capable - she is gleeful when 'arguing' with the prosecution.

Arias is an evil person - Travis Alexander's ME's photos show this. Arias admits to murdering Travis Alexander. It cannot be self defense - even a person that is being attacked cannot shoot their attacker - go get an ax and proceed to chop up their attacker.

Sorry to rant - I'm so disgusted that The State of Arizona has been "sucked" into The World According to Arias. I think that Arias enjoys all of this - I think that Arias enjoys being the murderer of Travis Alexander locked away - much more than Arias enjoyed her life before.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Juan's tone was justifiable. Doc S.s ethics are questionable.

The juror questions clearly displayed this. Also, sending books, "Jodi had no one", marking the same test with different answers?

Question: Can the state get it's own "expert" witness? tia

Jodi has family that has sat there everyday just for her. Jodi said her mom came to Mesa to help her move back to Yreka to live with her grandparents, and said she turned to her father about her relationship with Travis.
She said her sister and brother who help start on her trip, she had DB and MM who helped along the way and she had Gus who she says comforted her shaking and crying about Travis and gave her a cell phone that she then used to make a sex tape and has said in open court that he had something that would help or hurt Jodi. And he has the same freeking idea of being an ambassador and a compassionate person like DS. , but I digress.

 

[Karmady]

:seeya: I posted a tweet from Michael Keiffer from the Arizona live feed yesterday - he said he had been told that defence can transfer communications to defendants' mothers at trial, so no conspiracy (or words to that affect).

Exactly, imo. The defendant is permitted to confer with counsel and counsel is permitted to confer with the family. No different than whispering what she said in her ear or calling her on the phone afterward.

 

[kayice]

It started at the beginning for me. Do you have a time?

Thanks, I missed the beginning of the trial. Juan skipped over receipts when he entered them, (explaining) very clever. On the blood technician, why doesn't HLN and BAEZ point out to their fake jury that Jodi possibly moved the bath mat over to cover up a large pool of blood and water it down, too?
Jodi is a trip looking about to cry but looking at every picture, thinking of her testimony and lies to come.

 

[katydid23]

Hopefully, all of the confusion will be cleared on Monday. FWIW, I think this is where we stand right now:

Ex #534 (3/14)-yellow lined paper with raw data; per Dick, JA answered test questions and he wrote them down.

Ex #535 (3/14)- Copy of official PSD scoring sheet, hand scored by Dick using answers from JA. Only includes scoring by Dick, no raw data (answers). Dick must have left the full PSD scoring sheet on his desk; JM requests that it be brought to court. Test score for symptoms is 17.

Ex #550 (3/21)- JM produces complete PSD scoring sheet without hole punch marks. Test score for symptoms is 15, different from previous Ex. 535. Dick confirms at no point in time did he provide this to the defense.

Dick is confused...JM asks him for copy of complete raw data sheet. Dick looks through notebook and finds one with hole punches "musta been here the whole time". Gives it to JM who enters it for evidence (we don't have an exhibit number on this yet). Dick asks to be able to bring it home, Judge tell him to talk to Nurmi.

Soooo...something hinky is going on.

In spite of lawyers not being smart enought to understand raw data, JM latched onto something big with this "expert".

Ex #550 presumably came from Janeen DeMarte, the upcoming expert witness for the defense.

We already know that the scores on Ex #535 and #550 don't agree. But the real kicker is going to come on Monday when we will find out if the scores on the yet to be numbered exhibit is the same as #535 or #550 or new score and how that compares to the yellow answer sheet (Ex 534).

Careless or fraudulent?

Stayed tuned for the next episode...

THank you so much for this post. It does clear up a few things, and of course, brings up lots of new questions.

I feel like this is going to be a big thing because of the way Juan went about
it. I noticed his pattern seems to be to start the cross with something weird and off beat, to throw off the witness. He started JA off with the ' calling her sis dumb' accusation. That was very unexpected, and threw her off guard. But it was also emotional for her. Then suddenly after making her upset, he goes sideways into the gas cans.

He started the DR off with the compassion/sympathy definition, and got him all upset and self righteous, then suddenly pullled out this paper and BAM. The Doc looked very nervous, imo. And JW jumped out of her seat---end of court for the day.

It was smooth the way Juan took it right out of the doc's hand and said "lets mark this' and walked off with the paper. Very smooth. The doc seemed very concerned about getting that paper back. JMO

 

[Karmady]

Hopefully, all of the confusion will be cleared on Monday. FWIW, I think this is where we stand right now:

Ex #534 (3/14)-yellow lined paper with raw data; per Dick, JA answered test questions and he wrote them down.

Ex #535 (3/14)- Copy of official PSD scoring sheet, hand scored by Dick using answers from JA. Only includes scoring by Dick, no raw data (answers). Dick must have left the full PSD scoring sheet on his desk; JM requests that it be brought to court. Test score for symptoms is 17.

Ex #550 (3/21)- JM produces complete PSD scoring sheet without hole punch marks. Test score for symptoms is 15, different from previous Ex. 535. Dick confirms at no point in time did he provide this to the defense.

Dick is confused...JM asks him for copy of complete raw data sheet. Dick looks through notebook and finds one with hole punches "musta been here the whole time". Gives it to JM who enters it for evidence (we don't have an exhibit number on this yet). Dick asks to be able to bring it home, Judge tell him to talk to Nurmi.

Soooo...something hinky is going on.

In spite of lawyers not being smart enought to understand raw data, JM latched onto something big with this "expert".

Ex #550 presumably came from Janeen DeMarte, the upcoming expert witness for the defense.

We already know that the scores on Ex #535 and #550 don't agree. But the real kicker is going to come on Monday when we will find out if the scores on the yet to be numbered exhibit is the same as #535 or #550 or new score and how that compares to the yellow answer sheet (Ex 534).

Careless or fraudulent?

Stayed tuned for the next episode...

re the bbm~

What does that mean? How would Juan have a copy of his notes but the defense not. Juan couldn't have gotten them from anyone except the defense, no?

 

[kayice]

I thought Jodi said she started shaking like a Chihuahua and going foggy since her Dad knocked her into a door or something at 15, perhaps she has knifed someone before, cannot remember. She sure replaced her kill-kit right after killing Travis. 9mm and one or two knives found, rented another car.

 

[anagrammy]

I've wondered too about her taking her own pictures. But where was Travis as she's doing this? And I can't see how with using a tripod she got the pictures right the first time. I think it may have taken a few shots to get a good one, the bad shots would have shown up as deleted.

Travis was on the bed, restrained, imo.

She didn't get it right the first time, which is why I think she was working alone. The two headless shots are bad ones, then she managed to get crotch and head in the same shot.

It's too bad we will never actually know exactly how this went down. Only that this terrible, cruel and self-adoring excuse for a human being took an innocent life in payment for the offense to her pride.

We speculate, but none of it really matters--what matters is the premeditation so amply demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt and the monster's handprint in blood.

I am looking for a death penalty verdict to restore my faith in our legal system.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

Sorry for the O/T. ITA she is a monster, and she got off far too lightly for her crimes, but she was definitely battered. There are photos of her after he had beaten her where her eyes are bruised almost to the point of being shut.

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It doesn't excuse what she did, but a different situation than JA who has no case at all for claiming domestic violence.

Oh--I know she was battered, but she *did* enjoy the activities with her husband, too. Is it wrong to be glad she was beaten?:floorlaugh: Just kidding--she and her husband were a pair of sick, sick people. She facilitated the drugging, rape and murder of her own little sister & then went ahead with that over-the-top wedding soon afterwards. I think she's missing her soul.

 

[katiedid2]

Exactly, imo. The defendant is permitted to confer with counsel and counsel is permitted to confer with the family. No different than whispering what she said in her ear or calling her on the phone afterward.

Ok if she is allowed to do so? Why would she hide! Sneak it under her butt? No need to sneak if that's the case right?

 

[Softail]

I don't get the business about the family and friends being asked to remove their "Travis" ribbons. If I were sitting on a jury I would expect to see that. Even if I believed the defendant were innocent, I can't believe I would feel my judgment swayed by people wearing ribbons. You know the family is going to be there. You probably know who they are. Samantha, Steven & Tanisha are there every day. If I'm going to sympathize with them, I'd do it with or without the ribbons. Just seem ridiculous to me.

I totally agree that the family should be able to wear them. I also recall Tulessa saying that at her brother's murder trial, they wanted to wear certain shirts. She said they were advised not to, and didn't as they didn't want there to even be a hint of impropriety.

People are very passionate about this case. Understandably so. The folks in the gallery, need to realize that they are in a court of law, and not at some social gathering. I'm actually surprised to see what I see in the gallery. Some of the attire looks like people should be at a night club!

Bottom line, it is a courtroom, and should be treated as such! :twocents:

 

[Karmady]

Ok if she is allowed to do so? Why would she hide! Sneak it under her butt? No need to sneak if that's the case right?

Are you talking about the yellow composition notebook? If so, imo she didn't sneak the notebook anywhere. I watched that part of the trial video and it's still on the desk much later than the part that was posted here. It was open at some point in time so you couldn't see the yellow.

 

[Thurston]

Hope no one minds, just wanted some insight on this, moved over from end of last thread. I haven't been able to watch all of the trial. I have a question that maybe some of you can help me with. I am pretty much the same height and weight as TA but 20 years older. I can think of no way a 115 pound female could stab me 29 times unless I was physically restrained. After the first stab, I would be in fight for survival mode. I might not survive, but she would surely be at least seriously injured if not killed. You might get stabbed once if it was from behind. The second stab would be a glancing blow as you turned towards your attacker. There wouldn't be a 3rd stab wound except maybe a defensive wound to the hands or forearms. I would think any 200 pound man could incapacitate any 115 pound woman with a single blow. From that point it would go very badly for the smaller incapacitated attacker. I believe the gunshot was forensically proven to have occurred after the stabbings. But even at that a .25 pistol is not immediately debilitating under most circumstances. It makes me wonder if that's why JA removed the ropes from the scene. Were they used in the commission of the crime? Was TA tied up either as sex play or at gunpoint before the knife attack occurred?

Mr. Pizza, I agree. Let's remember - Travis Alexander's life was not easy. Travis Alexander had drug addicted parents, unstable home life -- it is easy to assume that in Travis Alexander's he had been exposed to "harder" aspects of life ("the under belly" if you will).

Plus, Travis Alexander worked out - was familiar with some type of martial arts.

I think Travis Alexander could have grabbed Arias by the hair so violently that he pulled her hair out from the root, that Travis Alexander could have gotten Arias in a head lock (choking her out), Travis Alexander could have slammed Arias head into the hard floor cracking Arias head like a melon.

I honestly believe that Travis Alexander was such a kind hearted person that even to save his own life - he could not bring himself into inflicting harm onto another person.

 

[ElleElle]

Yes, I made this post before this news.

I just saw her crying earlier and kinda reminded me of Susan S. :twocents:

But didnt Hln just say! Two guys were arrested?