long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[josie1986]

I can tell you right now, I'm not at all fond of the Hughes.

How come?

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[ElleElle]

Yes, we all say and write things when emotional.

How many letters were written about Travis' "alledged" abuse?

1 that was replied to back and forth? That's it?! Whoopie! Bring on the Hughes' :rocker:

Yes. I've said this before but I am sure, like Lisa Daidone, they seriously regret writing the emails, all things considered. I really think Juan will call one or both of them in rebuttal to testify.

 

[ElleElle]

And in Canada we have Easter Monday and is statutory holiday.

Tomorrow is Easter Sunday, no court until Tuesday 9:30am PST

 

[josie1986]

And in Canada we have Easter Monday and is statutory holiday.

Same here.

Schools are off for 2weeks also

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[elementary]

Only someone who is obsessed, controlling and paranoid would say someone else not calling for three days is emotional abuse. Most "normal" people would understand, especially if the other party works and is extremely busy, for example.

Agree. everything needs to be judged in it's entirety in order to not take anything out of context.

MOO

Awwww, geez, this is as old as time. He doesn't call, for, like, forever! To term this "abuse" says more about the "expert" source than anything else.

 

[ElleElle]

BBM~ love your work choice.

I totally agree!

One person in this dyad didn't get the desired level of commitment. The other was stalked, cyberstalked and killed three times over. The whole "domestic abuse" thing is just infuriating.

 

[wasnt_me]

Thanks for finding this and posting it. I knew she said he wouldn't have posed for pics in the shower and the pics that were taken definitely looks stalkerish, badly taken and the Travis looks unaware of them. Their darkness makes me think there was no flash and that was because she didn't want him to know she was taking them.

I have always though he discovered her taking pics and was rightfully furious and from there it got worse. She does weave bits of truth in her stories and I do believe he was angry at her but not because she "dropped the camera". I have always thought maybe she dropped the camera, which revealed her presence and that is when things got really bad, really quick. He was mad because he discovered her taking pics and she had NO excuse for her doing it (or being there?) and this was the final straw for him and she knew it.

a few things.

Look at all the angles she took the pictures from. How can she achieve the angles without being seen?

Look at how there is no barrier between them. A glass shower door causes steam and water to hit it. We see none of that in the pictures.

If it's in secret, why his new camera and not her own, which she claimed she brought with her?

For several minutes, he's showering with no soap whatsoever. If he was really in the shower to clean himself and not to pose for pictures, then why isn't he using soap in ALL that time.

I think Jodi is just lying because she is trying to convince Flores that she didn't take the pictures. She is not beyond lying by saying Travis would NEVER let her do that. It's a silly lie since he's sending her pictures of his penis. If he was that shy, he wouldn't even have sent those.

Later, she also says she talked him into the pictures. So now you have two statements. One says he'd never let her and he's all private etc and another saying she coaxed him into it. Which statement is likely true?

Since she was trying to remove herself from the crime scene, I think the first statement isn't likely to be true.

 

[katiedid2]

I realize this is an unpopular position to take, but I was watching the night Jean Casarez made those comments. I didn't see anything wrong with her observation, and I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that JM would have agreed with her. We all know he didn't intend to "meet adoring fans," and she didn't suggest that he was doing that. The point was that it could become a problem if a juror was to see it.

She was right. It certainly could be a problem. I just can't hop on her for that statement, and I really do believe JM would agree and he will take steps to avoid the over-zealous fans now that he realizes that kind of thing may happen. He was obviously blindsided by what happened the first time.

Anyway, it seems entirely unreasonable to me to lay on Jean Casarez for this.

:cow:

Well some things happen for a reason. We know how dirty the defence plays so its better for juan to err on the side of caution. Maybe they did him a favor, now he can be on the lookout for anything they may try to conjur up about him. We already know that there's quite a bit of jealousy there, towards juan.

 

[katiecoolady]

OT If you sent me something in the mail this week, a. a note for you on the court observer thread and b. if your name is the same as a famous millionaire and you live in Arkansas, please contact me privately. I don't know your posting name. :seeya:

 

[Miss Behavin]

Remember the line from Fatal Attraction: I'm not gonna be ignored, Dan!

Travis was supposed to travel to Yreka on two separate occasions after Jodi moved, prior to her showing up at his home on June 4, but he cancelled on her both times.

Then they had that horrible email/text exchange at the end of May, where he pretty much told her to stay out of his life.

Then there's the Cancun trip with Mimi.

If Jodi was hacking in to his Facebook acct, she probably saw the correspondence between Mimi and Travis and figured out that Mimi was going to accompany him.

Travis could be a bit persuasive, Lisa said that on the stand. Even if Jodi found the message from Mimi telling Travis she just wanted to go as his friend, that probably wouldn't have deterred Jodi. I mean, look at all the benefits she got as his "friend."

I think it was a culmination of things that set her off on her killing trip, and losing control of Travis' affections was the motivating factor.

JMO

 

[lisasalinger]

Only someone who is obsessed, controlling and paranoid would say someone else not calling for three days is emotional abuse. Most "normal" people would understand, especially if the other party works and is extremely busy, for example.

Agree. everything needs to be judged in it's entirety in order to not take anything out of context.

MOO

Do you remember the hilarious conversation in the movie Swingers about how long you should wait to call a girl. Industry standard is 2 days, but 3 days is kind of money.

Every single girl in the world, including myself, has been hosed waiting for a guy to call at some point in their life. I'd actually be more shocked if they called the next day.

 

[katiecoolady]

Did you guys see this? Someone tweeted it to me. lol

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yZEi0MVAs"]The Justice League VS Jodi Arias - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bsk]

Well, that's what I mean. I think we need to see the letter so we can know exactly what Chris is talking about. What is his definition of emotionally abusive? I don't think an inability to commit to a woman or even leading a woman on constitutes being emotionally abusive. And, again, did he use the words emotionally abusive himself, or were these words extracted based on ALV's understanding of abuse? (According to her, not calling someone for three days is emotional abuse...) So did she just read what Chris wrote and decide, "aha, that's emotional abuse right there"? I also hear there's more to the email chain. I think we need to hear the context and where the conversation ends up. We know in the end Chris and Sky end up not liking Jodi at all. If the Hughes' are called to testify, all this will be cleared up.

One possibility for context is that they'll say they realized she was a psycho but couldn't get Travis to stay away from her. So they started making up stuff about Travis to try to scare her off, which as it turns out didn't work either.

 

[LambChop]

a few things.

Look at all the angles she took the pictures from. How can she achieve the angles without being seen?

Look at how there is no barrier between them. A glass shower door causes steam and water to hit it. We see none of that in the pictures.

If it's in secret, why his new camera and not her own, which she claimed she brought with her?

For several minutes, he's showering with no soap whatsoever. If he was really in the shower to clean himself and not to pose for pictures, then why isn't he using soap in ALL that time.

I think Jodi is just lying because she is trying to convince Flores that she didn't take the pictures. She is not beyond lying by saying Travis would NEVER let her do that. It's a silly lie since he's sending her pictures of his penis. If he was that shy, he wouldn't even have sent those.

Later, she also says she talked him into the pictures. So now you have two statements. One says he'd never let her and he's all private etc and another saying she coaxed him into it. Which statement is likely true?

Since she was trying to remove herself from the crime scene, I think the first statement isn't likely to be true.

A poster who is a nurse here said they are of two different men and it is believed that neither one of them was Travis. They were on Jodi's computer hard drive that was destroyed. She claims he sent them to her but there is no proof they were from Travis. I think we can guess who she took those pictures of.

jmo

 

[Lorelilly]

I guess that raises another question -- is self-defense a reasonable defense if one thinks one is threatened -- when in reality that person is NOT threatened?

In other words -- I think the DT is trying to say that JA felt threatened because of her PTSD and so she attacked. But the facts don't support that she was threatened -- she had no wounds except for minor ones (finger cuts) showing she wasn't under a life threatening situation. Does it really matter (legally) if she thought she was if she wasn't?

Hope that makes sense! I'm trying to look at this from a purely legal POV. Back into :lurk: mode

If the Defense could prove any part of the "I feared for my life so the murder is okay" they would. Their goal at this time is to prevent JA from getting the death penalty. Frankly, I just want this trial to get into the hands of the jury and to avoid a hung jury.! I have this nagging feeling something is going to go wrong. God help that jury...

 

[elementary]

I realize this is an unpopular position to take, but I was watching the night Jean Casarez made those comments. I didn't see anything wrong with her observation, and I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts that JM would have agreed with her. We all know he didn't intend to "meet adoring fans," and she didn't suggest that he was doing that. The point was that it could become a problem if a juror was to see it.

She was right. It certainly could be a problem. I just can't hop on her for that statement, and I really do believe JM would agree and he will take steps to avoid the over-zealous fans now that he realizes that kind of thing may happen. He was obviously blindsided by what happened the first time.

Anyway, it seems entirely unreasonable to me to lay on Jean Casarez for this.

:cow:

My belief is that if it hadn't been for her and HLN, this would never have been an issue. Obviously the DT has its finger on the pulse of media. If it weren't for the media, this would never have occurred to the DT and their over the top drama moment. I totally blame Jean Casares and HLN.

 

[lil_buddy]

I wonder what ALV thinks of "The Rules".

 

[bznbear]

Same here.

Schools are off for 2weeks also

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I know! I so miss bank holidays

 

[Sydni]

Hi guys,

I want to make a petition about that asinine show, "After Dark". TBH I dont know what Im doing so Im hoping for any advice, input, and help I can get.

For ex., I don't know if they are supposed to be short and to the point or what, but once I started i realized I probably had wayyy too much to say. Also I want to be careful not to imply my thoughts are everyones - but then I guess if they sign it, it would be? idk..

This is a rough draft, where they ask "why is this important to you" :


While the HLN tv show "After Dark" may appeal to a certain tabloid inclined sector of society, a growing number of viewers are not only disappointed by the program as a whole, but particularly disgusted by the nightly mock jury segments that often feature debates about the alleged actions or behavior of the Victim in this case.

Have there not been enough "bold accusations" made by the perpetrator of this crime already?

The current programming regarding this particular show is insensitive, inflammatory, and reeks of a desperate attempt to garner ratings at any cost, including the credibility of HLN and reputation of many (perhaps formerly) well respected HLN employees and representatives.

Additionally, to have very experienced law enforcement, trial attorneys and/or media representatives debate the validity of claims drawn solely from the imagination of an admitted liar lends itself to the possibility that a less capable or imaginative defense could capitalize on, and benefit from, the arguments presented. In essence, a risk of
inadvertently assisting the defendant for nothing more than the sake of entertainment.

Obviously, we are aware we do not have to watch, as many have chosen not to, however for some of us it is not enough to simply turn a blind eye.

"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" - Abraham Lincoln

We ask that you reconsider the content of the show "After Dark", bearing in mind whatever amount of importance you place on each of the following:

* loss of viewership due to offensive programming
* Consideration of the family, and those close to the victim in this case
* Reputation and perceived direction of programming at HLNtv
* Risk of effecting any aspect of the ongoing trial
* TRAVIS

Personally I LOVE IT ... count me in. Not sure myself about the length and content of petitions, but I think this is very well written and I totally share those sentiments. Good job Beldon. Proud of ya ... I'm in ... where do I sign? :rocker:

 

[mck16]

Stabbing him. I don't think Jodi ever envisioned that he'd be able to fight her off especially being trapped in the shower stall. And unfortunately, he WASN'T able to fight her off. Her method was to get him trapped in the shower and surprise him out of the blue with the knife immediately stabbing. And it worked. It just didn't work according to what she envisioned was that he was able to get out of the shower and all the way down the hall. She assumed that once he was first stabbed he'd fall in the shower and conveniently die there all nice and tidy.

I have wondered about this myself quite a bit. I think the only way was the element of surprise. I think he thought she had left the house and she came back in. He was in the shower and didn't hear her. Maybe she swung open the shower door and started stabbing. Going for the heart area first. jmo