• #61
2 things. The whites of your eyes are the whites of your eyes. Can we infer from the photo below that light things become darker and dark things become lighter due to infa-red? Secondly, could that be a taser in the perp's pocket? Jmo
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When it comes to human anatomy, IR is different than when it comes to clothing (which has differing contents and dyes). IR has to do with reflectivity of light that is on a wavelength that is outside of normal visibility, so I don't think you can just say lighter is darker and darker is lighter. The "whites" of our eyes also have blood vessels and liquid, etc that might affect wavelength reflection. I can't actually find anything definitive at this time, though.
 
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Is the button like thing (circled) part of; the gun holster or his belt? Looks too small to be a button on the pants, and oddly placed. Almost looks like the gun holster is hooked/snapped together with it??
 

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  • #64
Thank you, that is my right, but the suspects left. I think of the reflectors on the backpack. Those are very bright. So my first thought was a reflective something on the wall or near the wall. You can see at one point what might look like movement is just seeing the bright through a piece of foliage. But then on several viewings, I suspect that is the backpack reflector and the suspect changed their position. I will get on my computer later and see if what I thought I saw can be captured.

Note to self. At .07 looks like a shoulder drop.
Replying to myself. I am fairly convinced that is the backpack reflector and he changed his position while trying to do whatever with the foliage. I found a different copy on News Nation and the motion looks like a shift to camera facing side right, and a shoulder drop (where the bright is showing through the hole in the foliage in my previous post). This image is right before the (imo) shoulder drop and it looks to me like that is the zipper that briefly flashed into view. But it could have been a piece of the foliage, hard to say.

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  • #65
Excuse me if this is way off base but do y'all think it's possible that this suspect is a woman?
 
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I do not think the suspect is a woman. Apart from anything else, I think a woman could more easily trick Nancy away and not need to break in to abduct her.
 
  • #68
Excuse me if this is way off base but do y'all think it's possible that this suspect is a woman?
I don't really think so , but I have to admit I go back and forth sometimes. I don't rule anything out until I see something that makes me sure, personally.
 
  • #69
No clothes identified. And it seems perp didn’t buy them altogether or they’d be caught by now. If my theory holds and there is a thin mask under balaclava, as post below, what are the odds it was purchased somewhere like Temu? When I google search, even though I’ve never bought there, Temu is the first option. And what if he possibly bought the clothes there too, or even from SHEIN? Would we be able to begin to get cooperation to track that down from China? Is that why they aren’t identified yet?

Sharing link where Nanos says only backpack identified today.
This kind of thing?

Also, I’d say perp has a similar pant style each time. When he could’ve bought cargo or baggy pants, he chose a well-fitting style. A trendy style in the pic we believe is from January 11.
I believe this goes to his overall sense of self. Grandiose in a sense, confident, narcissistic.
To me, the pants seem the most personal of the whole outfit. They had to fit and they do. Even the right length. MOO
 
  • #70
No clothes identified. And it seems perp didn’t buy them altogether or they’d be caught by now. If my theory holds and there is a thin mask under balaclava, as post below, what are the odds it was purchased somewhere like Temu? When I google search, even though I’ve never bought there, Temu is the first option. And what if he possibly bought the clothes there too, or even from SHEIN? Would we be able to begin to get cooperation to track that down from China? Is that why they aren’t identified yet?


Also, I’d say perp has a similar pant style each time. When he could’ve bought cargo or baggy pants, he chose a well-fitting style. A trendy style in the pic we believe is from January 11.
I believe this goes to his overall sense of self. Grandiose in a sense, confident, narcissistic.
To me, the pants seem the most personal of the whole outfit. They had to fit and they do. Even the right length. MOO
BBM
I think in today's world there's a great chance clothing came from a site like Temu and if that's the case, it would be insanely difficult to track down the clothing without already having a suspect. IMO if that's the case, I would think identifying the purchase could be more likely used as evidence of premeditation & planning. The way Temu works (and I do love me some Temu & TikTok shop steals), but the way it works, it's mass produced and similar/exact dupes are sold by countless retailers that often come and go, change entire categories of items for sale, etc etc etc. And I would HIGHLY doubt China would even remotely prioritize assisting the US in an investigation like this, even if it were somehow possible.

The pants are truly intriguing to me. From the fit to the pockets to the holster placement to the "WTF is he wearing shorts underneath?", they are such an interesting choice. May end up discovering, if/when solved, that the pants were a totally innocuous decision in the long run but for right now the pants are puzzling me.

MOOOOOOOO :)
 
  • #71
Yea maybe we brainstorm about what could be in his pocket. Why not put that in your backpack? Because he needs quick access to it would be my guess. To be used immediately to subdue. Or to be used to help gain access to home. But it’s definitely bulky.
BBM
I would maybe lean more towards a knife or something bigger than a key fob that most vehicles use now that could literally be thrown anywhere in the bag/pockets/etc since you just need to be in the vicinity of your vehicle with the key. Another thought is if you're going in with malicious intent are you worried about bringing your keys in? I would think JMO if you're going in even for just a burglary you're gonna be attempting to get in/out as quickly as possible so you may just leave the keys in the vehicle. You/any accomplices push NG in, jump in, crank, and you bolt. No need to look for keys, no fumbling. Just go.

I know when I'm in the field, I have a good 4.5-5" pocket knife that has a tiny flash light, a seat belt cutter, and a window breaker in addition to the actual blade. Definitely a multi purpose tool that would be extremely useful in a situation like this. And ironically, also purchased at Walmart.
 
  • #72
Thought that I'm not sure we've thrown out about the pants situation:

If you're planning to dump clothing/things used, it's not unfathomable that Lantana Man has shorts on under those pants. You'd be throwing off gloves, grabbing your mask(s), unbuttoning that stupid holster that appears buttoned around the belt possibly, throw stuff in dumpsters along your route, and you've perhaps eliminated any trace evidence picked up AT the scene being on your person/in your vehicle.

Whoever mentioned the taser possibility (sorry, meant to quote it) - a taser itself isn't likely to leave bleeding wounds that would be dripping on the porch BUT...I can't imagine an elderly woman who was probably asleep NOT falling if she were tased/hit by anything. Given the elderly often bleed a lot easier and more, I think it's possible that the blood on the stoop is more likely from, for lack of a better term, an "unintentional" injury such as a fall or knock down.
 

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