long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[Myvice]

leeway as they are not responsible for the criminal acts of their offspring. However, it is extremely hard for me to imagine a benign reason for suddenly wearing ribbons which only appear after the people supporting justice for Travis are admonished not to wear them (except for family). If they had been wearing them since Day 1, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. But donning them only at this point cannot, in my mind, be interpreted in any positive or neutral way. It seems a callous and reprehensible act, very much like something Jodi would do. It's highly disturbing to me.

But if the defense requested that they wear them and they refused, Jodi would make them pay dearly if she were to get out of jail. JMO

 

[swanna]

This comes across to me as heartless by Jodi's family. Its obvious that they are wearing the purple Domestic Violence Awareness ribbons, because and only because Travis family refuses to remove the blue ribbons that they have been wearing in memory of their murdered brother since the start of trial. --

Just kinda makes me feel like its Jodi's family giving a big ol F-U to his family.

TA family should add a purple ribbon to show that he was the one that lived with Domestic Violence.

 

[ClosArgs]

I just want to give a quick shout out to two people.

First David Lohr: Thanks for giving us an unedited version of the interrogation with Det. Flores. Refreshing not to have to see the HLN clips of what they want us to see.

Second Det Flores: The talent, patience and skill you displayed in a very taxing interview. Thanks.

 

[Southern_Meadow]

I just started watching video #6 and it sounds like she's singing 'The Rose'? Can someone verify this? It's around 1:50

Hearing that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. All things regarding this monster do, though. :what:

 

[kscornfed]

I'm watching video 8.
I can see JA got the abuse defense - the female detective keeps asking her about his behavior toward her.
Also, the detective keeps referring to Travis' parents as if they are alive - JA doesn't bother to tell her they are gone.


JMO

I thought the same thing!!!! We know she never forgets anything she hears and peppers parts through her stories.

It hit me when this woman asked her how she wanted to be seen?

Why, as a brave victim of an abusive pedophile who was willing to sit in jail for years to keep the truth from his family and friends!!!!!

 

[TigerBalm]

I just started watching video #6 and it sounds like she's singing 'The Rose'? Can someone verify this? It's around 1:50

Yes..yes
I bolded the words she was singing

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMNd_-FGftM"]Jodi Arias Unedited Police Interrogation Video 6[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sx45aQmIOc"]Westlife - The Rose (With Lyrics)[/ame]

Some say love
It is a river
That drowns the tender reed
Some say love
It is a razor
That leaves your soul to bleed
Some say love
It is a hunger
An endless aching need
I say love
It is a flower
And you-it's only seed

It's the heart
Afraid of breaking
That never learns to dance
It's the dream
Afraid of waking
That never takes the chance
It's the one
Who won't be taken
Who cannot seem to give
And the soul
Afraid of dying
That never learns to live

When the night has been too lonely
And the road has been too long
And you think that love is only
For the lucky and the strong
Just remember
In the winter
Far beneath the bitter snow
Lies the seed
That with the sun's love
In the spring
Becomes The Rose

 

[JRS_JD2L]

This Judge's limited court schedule to date:

Typical Schedule to Date
1.5 hrs = 10:30am - 12pm
1.5 hrs = 1:30pm - 3pm
1.25 hrs = 3:15pm - 4:30pm

4.25 hrs
x
4 days /week

17 hrs /week
_____

I seriously doubt we've ever even seen 17 hrs of court time in a week.

Glad the Judge begged [! - my impression of the Judges demeanor when she asked the jurors] the jurors for an earlier start next week - 9:30am. Hope the Judge sticks to it / enforces it.

My wish list for the Judge: make executive decisions without sidebars for each and every stinking objection; and get in as many hours as possible to get this trial over with - for the jurors sakes; in an effort to avoid the higher probability of possible mistrial issues given a longer trial; for cost issues; and, for all of our sakes.
:thud:

Yes...say what you want about Belvin Perry, but he respected the juror's time. He regularly admonished the attorneys, telling them if they delayed the trial, they would be working through the weekend. Everything in the CA trial was about maximizing court time and getting the jurors out of there as quickly as possible. Can anyone answer why this judge is on calendar on other cases while she is sitting on a capital murder case? AZ must be really short on judges.

 

[Novice Seeker]

Don't know if anyone saw this... but it gave me the shivers watchin'

A Voice for Travis ** Abbreviated & updated version** - YouTube

Gave me shivers and when I saw Travis's sisters I had tears.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Given short day on Thursday, then no court Friday through Monday. Tues is the next date.

I assume many jurors can be in touch with work or even go in. Same with the defense witness, she probably flew home and will work etc. til she flies down.

It is really dragging out, i'm beginning to think we were not kidding when we thought we should get Christmas shopping done now..

 

[Boytwnmom]

the alleged concern was that the state could figure out what the hootin heck the defense was up to, i.e. their trial strategy. It seems likely they may have been concerned more about reaction to how much they have been paid and perhaps how many experts they had to consult before they found one with ethics flexible enough to sign on and how many people they had interviewed trying to have them testify for Arias but who refused to cooperate and thus who may be useful to the state. Witness lists are not privileged. Billing records are not in general privileged and are routinely disclosed in court cases where attorney fees are sought and when public monies are expended on legal fees. If there is a concern that privileged info is included in the records such info can be ordered redacted.

I haven't read their motion, but I'm assuming they are arguing that the billing shows "work product," which is privileged and not subject to disclosure to anyone. For example, they would write down on the billing form: "Travel to/from [store] to investigate theft of pop rocks and tootsie rolls, including meeting with store security and viewing store security video -- 2.0 hours." If this becomes public record, the State would see all the things they've been investigating and thereby the records might incriminate their client.

 

[Tiki]

These are a trip, aren't they? Do you know the female detective's name? I think she's doing a good job, but JA is responding so very differently to her than she does to handsome, mellifluous and male Detective Flores.

I couldn't catch her name, but I think she's a local (CA) detective.
oh - yeah - she sure relates to females differently. Keep watching - JA finally starts trying to pull one over on her. AND - she responds to a question about
Travis' "folks" like they are alive!! wow - so self-centered! UGH!

 

[nightwatch]

Travis' friends said that he went to his bishop after Jodi moved back to Yreka. They said he was in the repentance process. Mimi Hall testified that he told her he was not "temple worthy," which means he was on probation and would not be permitted to attend temple ceremonies. I did not hear anyone say he was disfellowshipped. When he came forward voluntarily, repentant, he would agree to give her up (she's gone--yay!) as a condition of not receiving punishment.

That bishop would contact her bishop and may have done that. Her being called in to the bishop's office in Yreka would have been of no concern to her in my theory because everyone in Yreka already knew her and knew her family. To put it nicely, she had nothing to lose. She could tell that bishop that she was the one telling Travis to confess and how happy she was that he followed her advice and OF COURSE she was repentant and believed in the Book of Mormon, the Ten Commandments, and anything else he wanted to hear.

All things being equal, women have historically received lesser punishments for the same sin (adultery for example) because they are considered less culpable for whatever reason. My bishop told me I was not considered as responsible because I didn't have the priesthood.

When Jodi moved back to Mesa, she would have been able to tell her new bishop in the singles ward, which remember was A DIFFERENT WARD from Travis, she would tell him "I already spoke in detail with my bishop in Yreka and it was a very difficult conversation--I cried and poured my heart out to him and felt much closer to the Lord after we spoke." That new bishop would consider the matter taken care of. He would see that no disciplinary action had been taken on her record. There is seldom any verbal communication or fact checking because these are spiritual matters and we can all see how JA could come off as completely sincere and believable even while lying her off.

It has been established that JA contacted Travis' bishop AFTER his death for the purpose of milking him for information. I understand she called him in the middle of the night to see what he knew. JM asked her about this on the stand.

Finally, I have never heard any callings mentioned that Travis held. Probably, due to his travel schedule with PPL, he would not have been able to assume the normal responsibilities of a priesthood holder in Mormonism, which is that he would receive a calling such as being a teacher in a study class, lead a youth group, be a boy scout leader, a men's group leader, etc.

ALV was completely WAY off when she suggested that TA had some kind of implied spiritual leadership responsibility because he was a "priest." All the men are priests from age 12.

Some of the behaviors which others may consider deviant for a 30 year old man are quite common in men who are functioning in fundamental religions with an emphasis on repressing personal sexuality, not just sexuality with others. Sexual behavior is heavily influenced by the environment, i.e., the lack of appropriate sexual outlets. An example of this is homosexual behavior in prisons is considered episodic because the inmates return to heterosexuality when they are released from incarceration. These studies have nothing to do with whether or not the sex acts are sinful, deviant, or normal, they are just observations of sexual behaviors under different environments.

Thanks for all the questions,websleuthers. I am trying to provide accurate information for understanding the behavior of the murderer and her victim in this case.

I don't intend to discuss the Mormon religion per se, but only those elements which are important for the success of the prosecution of this vile woman.

If this is not ok with you mods, please delete and I will not post here any further about maintaining appearances in the Mormon/PPL culture as a motive for murder.

I love websleuths and enjoy reading all your smart observations and witty remarks.

very informative. thank you!

 

[TigerBalm]

These are a trip, aren't they? Do you know the female detective's name? I think she's doing a good job, but JA is responding so very differently to her than she does to handsome, mellifluous and male Detective Flores.

Detective Rachel Blaney

 

[kscornfed]

Yes...say what you want about Belvin Perry, but he respected the juror's time. He regularly admonished the attorneys, telling them if they delayed the trial, they would be working through the weekend. Everything in the CA trial was about maximizing court time and getting the jurors out of there as quickly as possible. Can anyone answer why this judge is on calendar on other cases while she is sitting on a capital murder case? AZ must be really short on judges.

What worries me is I believe when trials drag out this long, it can affect the verdict. People are actually wondering if the jury will pass on first degree because they don't want to be stuck for even longer with the penalty phase!

I think it's a real problem but maybe it's standard in AZ. Where I am, even DP cases take weeks, not months.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I couldn't catch her name, but I think she's a local (CA) detective.
oh - yeah - she sure relates to females differently. Keep watching - JA finally starts trying to pull one over on her. AND - she responds to a question about
Travis' "folks" like they are alive!! wow - so self-centered! UGH!

Sounds like she says Det. Rachel Blaney...not sure though.

ETA: I see Tigerbalm caught it.

 

[TexMex]

I couldn't catch her name, but I think she's a local (CA) detective.
oh - yeah - she sure relates to females differently. Keep watching - JA finally starts trying to pull one over on her. AND - she responds to a question about
Travis' "folks" like they are alive!! wow - so self-centered! UGH!

Very self centered.
"Can you take off the hand cuffs?"
"Can you get my purse?"
"Can you turn up the heat?"
"Can I use the restroom w/o handcuffs?"
"Can I put on makeup?"

Like everyone is supposed to cater to her!

 

[Zuri]

Thank you TigerBalm :seeya:

For posting those videos:yourock:

 

[TigerBalm]

Sounds like she says Det. Rachel Blaney...not sure though.

ETA: I see Tigerbalm caught it.

I'm not that far in the videos yet, but I know her name from when Detective Flores mentioned it on the stand.

 

[panthera]

Given short day on Thursday, then no court Friday through Monday. Tues is the next date.

I assume many jurors can be in touch with work or even go in. Same with the defense witness, she probably flew home and will work etc. til she flies down.

It is really dragging out, i'm beginning to think we were not kidding when we thought we should get Christmas shopping done now..

Unless the jurors choose to speak with the media after the trial and make it public they served on this jury, no one is supposed to know who they are. Now, since this is a high-profile case, and assuming co-workers of the jurors are following the case even slightly, they would know who is on the jury if on a day off that person shows up for work. I would hope the jurors are NOT expected to work during "off" days, however, in some jurisdictions they don't receive pay unless they do. That is wrong, in my opinion.

 

[Truth Detector]

This Judge's limited court schedule to date:

Typical Schedule to Date
1.5 hrs = 10:30am - 12pm
1.5 hrs = 1:30pm - 3pm
1.25 hrs = 3:15pm - 4:30pm

4.25 hrs
x
4 days /week

17 hrs /week
_____

I seriously doubt we've ever even seen 17 hrs of court time in a week.

Glad the Judge begged [! - my impression of the Judges demeanor when she asked the jurors] the jurors for an earlier start next week - 9:30am. Hope the Judge sticks to it / enforces it.

My wish list for the Judge: make executive decisions without sidebars for each and every stinking objection; and get in as many hours as possible to get this trial over with - for the jurors sakes; in an effort to avoid the higher probability of possible mistrial issues given a longer trial; for cost issues; and, for all of our sakes.
:thud:

Of course your observations/suggestions are on the mark.

However, you must critique Judge Sherry K. Stephens and the way she allows the DT to run Maricopa County Superior Court in this forum at your own peril.

Beware the backlash...