long weekend break: discuss the latest here #113

[ElleElle]

I guarantee you Travis fought for his life more than Jodi ever imagined- even in her fognesia.

She expected a "clean" kill and it did not happen.

I also been wondering if someone was waiting in the rental car while she was in the house with her uninvited drop-in visit.

Have all the alibis been checked out? (MM, Gus, and any other man she was connected to).

 

[Nhic]

I've read some opinions elsewhere who state that "they" believe, "Jodie will do quite well in prison, in fact she will shine." I can't see how she would love to remain incarcerated. Does anyone here think she would be just as happy to stay behind bars? Just tryin to understand. TIA.

:seeya:

She will do well in prison. She won't like to be in prison, but she will adjust, she'll have to. Her health will be looked after, she will "belong" - likely for the first time in her life, she will be fed on a regular basis. She will no longer have to "prove" herself to anyone, she'll be on a tightly controlled schedule (which clearly she wasn't on the outside). I believe she'll be a lot healthier in that environment.

It's been said that antisocial personalities generally do well when they are confined in prison.

 

[anagrammy]

Of course, how else can anyone explain the lack of injuries she received in the so called 'fight for their lives'.

He was already weakened by lack of sleep and hours of torture. I am thinking he may have already have endured some chest stabs - see the blood on his chest in his photo with his hand up? See the agonized look on his face?

Just moo, of course, but I also think his back shows signs of him being possibly tied to a bed leg with her sitting on his chest. He has petachaie, which is a cluster of micro bruises caused by a variety of reasons, including stress from weight. The striped pattern of his pitachaie indicates repeated moving from side to side, which he would certainly do if she was cutting on him.

He has a number of strange marks on his ankles and cuts on his feet. Plus his thumb looks like it was bent back judo-style, in addition to the many slashes.

One of my son's suicide attempts was a stab to his chest. I was surprised that it didn't bleed very much. It was a slit an inch deep like many of Travis's cuts. Not lethal but very, very painful.

I can't bear to think about the pain he suffered. It makes me tear up every time.

 

[4Jacy]

OMG, MM to be a rebuttal witness... Thank you Juan, JA is GOING DOWN WITH THIS ONE!!!!

 

[Tuba]

Willmott & ALaV would be indignant & outraged to think someone considers them partners in enablement but their attitude toward the criminal defendant is indeed permissive and enabling when you boil it down. I'm dreading more of this testimony and the hand jive demonstrating the balance of power, which ALaV will again stress as key. It has been a weird experience, watching these two confect a make believe rich in detail. Like a Lifetime movie, reeling across the courtroom, featuring The Bully and The Ingenue, parallel in timeline to the history of the actual principals, but otherwise bearing zero relation to their lives. The more these creative directors load the stream with particulars that come alive, the more the fiction seems to inflict its own reality on anyone exposed to it. We may find it incongruous and incredible but will it linger in memory to the detriment of the evidence in this case?

 

[Schuby]

:seeya:

She will do well in prison. She won't like to be in prison, but she will adjust, she'll have to. Her health will be looked after, she will "belong" - likely for the first time in her life, she will be fed on a regular basis. She will no longer have to "prove" herself to anyone, she'll be on a tightly controlled schedule (which clearly she wasn't on the outside). I believe she'll be a lot healthier in that environment.

It's been said that antisocial personalities generally do well when they are confined in prison.

ITA with the above, BUT, I have said before, and still say, if she does get LWOP and is in general population, she is in for a very rude awakening upon transfer to state prison. Those ladies aren't going to be at all impressed with her celebrity. If anything, at least for a time, it will be an excuse to single her out for hazing.

 

[TexMex]

This is why I have been at a loss what difference it makes as to the brutality of the crime. Whether it was the gun shot or the knife that came first, clearly Travis struggled to survive, albeit for less than two minutes, as he was repeatedly stabbed and his throat slit as he reached the bedroom. Therein lies the brutality and heinous nature of this crime.



MOO

Yes. Brutal overkill. I tend to go with the ME and Martinez that the stab wound to his heart was first. They say with that wound he would have been spitting up the blood on the sink as well as sustain the defensive wounds to his hands trying to grab her knife as he was getting weaker.
Jodi never admits on any of these tapes to stabbing. She does claim the knives found when she was arrested were Darryl's.

 

[fran]

Attention Please!

Can we please keep the discussion about the 18 videos on the thread designated as such. Let's use this thread for discussing other aspects of the case please. If you don't see a post of yours that you made earlier this evening or today on this thread, it will probably be on the video thread here:

Unedited Police Interrogation Videos of Jodi - Page 18 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


TIA,
fran

ETA: I also moved posts over to the SIDEBAR thread as they were OT. We opened the SIDEBAR thread just for OT posts. Talking about chile rellanos is very important and I had to :slap: myself when I started to respond as it's one of my favs!

:seeya:

 

[Sleuth5]

bbm~

I don't and have no idea why you think I do. My posts on the subject uniformly say that I don't think he did anything wrong and that the unseemliness is on the part of the autograph seekers. I feel like I'm in an alternate reality. I keep agreeing he didn't do anything wrong and multiple posters keep saying I said he did. Weird.

I know the feeling. My original post on this was only in support of the concern Jean Casarez voiced about possible problems if a juror were to see that. No matter how many times I refer people to my original post, where I do not criticize JM in any way, it doesn't seem to matter. Go figure. I suppose the message is, "run with the pack or get out."

 

[deedee21]

:seeya:

She will do well in prison. She won't like to be in prison, but she will adjust, she'll have to. Her health will be looked after, she will "belong" - likely for the first time in her life, she will be fed on a regular basis. She will no longer have to "prove" herself to anyone, she'll be on a tightly controlled schedule (which clearly she wasn't on the outside). I believe she'll be a lot healthier in that environment.

It's been said that antisocial personalities generally do well when they are confined in prison.

She will turn the inmates into chess pieces. The games continue. Nancy Grace went to the jail Jodi is housed in. According to an inmate, Jodi told her she killed Travis in self defense. Jodi went on to say she cut his body into pieces and disposed of him around the town.

 

[ElleElle]

He will flip.

I betcha that's why Jodi had the "migraine" last week. She found out her beloved and trustful confidante was called to prosecution witness list.

He is the nail for Jodi's coffin. moo

OMG, MM to be a rebuttal witness... Thank you Juan, JA is GOING DOWN WITH THIS ONE!!!!

 

[janx]

There's something in there being taken way out of context alright. Watching CH testify at the evidentiary hearing, his pain with what he/Skye have said and how it is being used is almost palpable. :tears:

I think I missed his testimony...just found it on Day 10. Is there more? I think I'm still missing some and he seems like a very impressive guy.

 

[anagrammy]

i heard a friend of his one night on TV who supposedly discussed it with TA after JA moved back to yreka. he said he'd gone to the bishop and was in counseling about his relationship with her. that's all i know about it.

it won't come in, pretty sure. it's hearsay. and the bishop certainly won't talk about it.

But JA talked about meeting her Bishop after Travis' memorial. I wonder how much she told him...?[/QUOTE]

She told him she loved Travis and they had sex but both had repented and moved on, wishing each other a happy life. She doesn't know why she let herself be talked into sex, but she wanted to please him and they were talking marriage. As the presumed grieving almost-widow, she would not have any consequence whatsoever.

Some might suggest he reaped what he sowed and whisper, "See what happens? You invite Satan into the relationship..."

 

[Truth Detector]

Is Matt McCartney his real name?

The name identification -- or alias, if it is -- satisfies ABC, the State prosecutor's office, and the judge with respect to its authenticity.

I've seen no information to the contrary.

 

[Nhic]

ITA with the above, BUT, I have said before, and still say, if she does get LWOP and is in general population, she is in for a very rude awakening upon transfer to state prison. Those ladies aren't going to be at all impressed with her celebrity. If anything, at least for a time, it will be an excuse to single her out for hazing.

Oh for sure you're right about that! After she gets through the initial acclimation, including learning the ropes and the "rhythm" of the facility and it's other inmates, she will settle down and be healthier than she's ever been IMO.

 

[Schuby]

I think I missed his testimony...just found it on Day 10. Is there more? I think I'm still missing some and he seems like a very impressive guy.

Wow, really? I've always thought there was something smarmy and sleezy about him.

 

[Karraster]

She will turn the inmates into chess pieces. The games continue. Nancy Grace went to the jail Jodi is housed in. According to an inmate, Jodi told her she killed Travis in self defense. Jodi went on to say she cut his body into pieces and disposed of him around the town.

I heard that too. Made me wonder if that had been part of her plan to do that, then changed her mind because the plan had gone somewhat different to what in her sick mind she had contrived.

 

[deedee21]

OMG, MM to be a rebuttal witness... Thank you Juan, JA is GOING DOWN WITH THIS ONE!!!!

WHO IS MM? When does this take place?

 

[Nhic]

She will turn the inmates into chess pieces. The games continue. Nancy Grace went to the jail Jodi is housed in. According to an inmate, Jodi told her she killed Travis in self defense. Jodi went on to say she cut his body into pieces and disposed of him around the town.

:what: WOW!

The other inmates aren't exactly stellar citizens themselves, so she'll be in like company. :floorlaugh:

When in prison she'll probably be on some psych medication, she'll be confined, controlled, and that's what she needs to get healthy. That's all I'm saying.:seeya:

ETA; obviously this is just my opinion and it won't be the first time I've been wrong, nor the last. LOL

 

[anagrammy]

She will turn the inmates into chess pieces. The games continue. Nancy Grace went to the jail Jodi is housed in. According to an inmate, Jodi told her she killed Travis in self defense. Jodi went on to say she cut his body into pieces and disposed of him around the town.

My sociopathic son loved prison and was planning to return. He liked the certainty of it, the gangs and the pecking order. It's a form of belonging and most sociopaths are outcasts.

Prison is a place where violence and antisocial behavior is actually rewarded with a boost to the reputation. For some, even solitary is worth the tradeoff for the respect they never got.

Another thing my son liked about it was that behavior was either punished or rewarded immediately. He was into immediate gratification and never could work for a longterm goal.