long weekend break: discuss the latest here #114

[khaki]

originally posted by Sundawnn~"No. And that's the pure karma of it all. If she were to say that then she'd automatically be convicted of 1st degree premeditated murder.

She can't have an accomplice without it being planned out.
So she's stuck with a gigantic foot up her arse."

This is exactly what I am thinking! She cannot admit to accomplice for the exact reasons you state.

 

[Juli]

BBM.....but we all know how quick Jodi is to throw someone under the bus. Surely if someone else had been involved she would have ratted them out by now, right?

But if she ratted somebody out for premeditated murder, she would be ratting herself out as well.

I'm not saying there was somebody else involved with the actual murder, but for those who have suggested it, their reasoning isn't flawed when it comes to my limited knowledge. I don't know enough about all the details of the murder to know whether or not that theory has been proven to be impossible.

 

[Dmacky]

I'm up to day 20 of testimony. How did she make it thru checkpoints with her license plate upside down?

I personally don't believe she even went to Hoover Dam. She's lied about everything else, why would she be truthful about this? There is an awful lot of security there, and you can bet that JM has had that checkpoint checked and rechecked. There are camera's everywhere, especially after 9-11. I would think they could show every car that goes through that check point.
I don't think she's going to give up any evidence of her actual route, on the off chance that paw paw's gun or her tire slashing knife should ever be found. MOO ~

 

[LambChop]

I personally don't believe she even went to Hoover Dam. She's lied about everything else, why would she be truthful about this? There is an awful lot of security there, and you can bet that JM has had that checkpoint checked and rechecked. There are camera's everywhere, especially after 9-11. I would think they could show every car that goes through that check point.
I don't think she's going to give up any evidence of her actual route, on the off chance that paw paw's gun or her tire slashing knife should ever be found. MOO ~

Wouldn't her cell phone have pinged on the local towers as she traveled? We know she made a number of calls.

 

[MistyM]

There is another issue which we may not resolve. Some who post, & I include myself in this group, see blood on Travis in the photos of him standing in the shower. Others obviously do not, because they never mention that. It is material because, if there is injury this early in the photo sequence, it puts the lie to the defendant's claim that this all began with an attack from him over the camera. As for myself, I am not imagining blood but I could be mistaking the special effect of a dark stream of water in a few photos for blood.

i was watching one of the HLN shows last week and some lady was talking about the photos, pointing out the blood under travis in the photo where he is sitting in the shower, i don't know if that's verified or just her opinion but she said it so confidently. which would mean the close up of his face, he was already stabbed? freaky.

 

[SunDawnn]

I don't get the defense strategy given the 12 men and 6 women jurors. The defense apparently wanted a majority of men, but why? Makes no sense to me.

Men are more logical. Women, more emotional. We want left brain thinkers not right brain because Jodi is now playing the victim role (after changing it from the 2 attacker story ----2 years later)

There should be a statute of limitations on your 'story' or at least, 2 strikes and you're out. She changed it 3 times.

Also, in the day in age of gidgets and gadgets, jurors should be mandated to sequestering for murder trials. When they wrote the laws, the Pony Express was still a novelty.
Now?...you can't avoid the news especially high-profile cases like this so this Judge screwed up right from the start (I don't care for Judge Sharon at all. The way she bobs her head concerns me)

 

[Truth Detector]

So, does that mean you don't think he was aware of any of the shower photos, or do you think she surprised him while he was actually in the shower (blinding him with the flash or something?)

He was aware of and posing for the shower photos.

He had known her for more than a year. They had been physically intimate many times. She was taking photos of him. He expected her to continue taking photos. Sociopath that he claimed she was, the last thing he expected was for her to pull a knife and to begin rapidly plunging it into his chest.

There is no way he was in danger or in any kind of fear of her. He was, once again, as he had been over the past year or more, her "dildo with a heartbeat". And sometimes, certainly less often than before she moved back to Y-freaka, that was downright flattering and fun for him, too.

We're all thinking now, with the benefit and clarity of all this 20/20 hindsight, "C'mon, Travis. You know she's evil. Watch your back, bro'!"

But then we know the lying torture-murderess of the past 4.5 years.

The Jodi he knew in 2008 was only a jealous stalker, like some jilted girl from 8th grade.

She pleaded to provide "special mouth hugs" and begged for "generous facials." He obliged her to his own demise. :notgood:

In Jodi's mind, it was all TA's actions which brought her to this point. Jodi, the narcissist, knew it was all his fault:

• Travis distanced himself from Jodi.
• Travis pushed Jodi away.
• Travis was taking Mimi (the girl he believed he would marry) to Cancun.
• Travis would imminently reject Jodi permanently when he soon married another.

To Jodi, Travis's 'betrayals' of her -- like her mother's "betrayals" in Jodi's childhood -- sealed his fate.

In her mind, Travis left her no choice. And she may actually believe this.

But what's far worse now, is that she and her DT are lying to a jury to attempt to hoodwink them.

Judge Stephens, if you're reading this, a little more help here, please. lease:

 

[panthera]

Wouldn't her cell phone have pinged on the local towers as she traveled? We know she made a number of calls.

As far as I know, the phone was off while in AZ. She had claimed she couldn't find the charger. Miraculously it reappears from under the car seat.

I do recall a report of the phone pinging near Kingman, AZ. Why she would be there when she was supposed to be driving from Pasadena CA to Utah on I-15 is confusing, however.

MOO

 

[TexMex]

But if she ratted somebody out for premeditated murder, she would be ratting herself out as well.

I'm not saying there was somebody else involved with the actual murder, but for those who have suggested it, their reasoning isn't flawed when it comes to my limited knowledge. I don't know enough about all the details of the murder to know whether or not that theory has been proven to be impossible.

I have faith in Flores when he says there was no evidence pointing to anyone else found in the home. There is also proof she spoke to Matt (he was in CA) as soon as she got to the Nevada border and turned on her phone.

 

[Nhic]

I don't think for a moment she parked in the driveway but if we speculate she acted alone then....my god, she could've been caught by the roommate. .
<snipped>

Remember one of the roommates was in the house when Travis was found slaughtered. He had smelled the odour, but didn't go into Travis' room to check it out.

That indicates the roommates respected Travis' space and privacy, likely never went into his room, and JA would have known it. And (along with her perverse thrill with using knives :what it's another reason she used a knife - it's quieter than a gun (just in case a roommate was or came home).

After she slaughtered Travis, she washed herself up using his bathroom IMO.

 

[katiedid2]

Bringing Thurston's posts over from the previous thread as I think they are so on the money

Thanks you thurston.

 

[Sleuth5]

Sleuth5, if Travis was first injured while in the shower & therefore, never stepped out into the bathroom to body slam the defendant, she has no self-defense ground, none. I think few people and few jurors believe her claim but someone may be that gullible. It would be good to squash self-defense entirely in order to insure a verdict. To most of us her account of what happened in that bathroom is absurd. She says to one and all that under oath, she will tell the truth. There may be one juror who says, "Finally!" and credits her testimony. But think how everyone would feel if she in no way, no how defended herself & her fabrication were laid bare. Insulted and angry, surely.

Good point.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I am hoping that any juror questions have to do with the elephant in the room. Here's what mine would be:

Q: Ms. ALV, are you familiar with anti-social personality disorder?

If yes, aren't many or all of JA's behaviors (i.e. flat affect, pathological lying, impulsive decision making, etc.) consistent with anti-personality disorder?

If yes, aren't you a bit concerned that you, as her therapist, might be just one more person she needed to con to obtain an acquittal in this case?

If not, why not?

Yes!

I am waiting for a way or time for Juan to bring up these behaviors and have ALV basically have to admit that JA does, indeed, have many of these behaviors consistent with a PD. I was hoping it would have come up with Dr Samuels...so now I'm hoping it will happen with ALV. And then taking it a step further and asking her why she didn't consider that when determining JA was a "victim." All from a proven liar.

Can he get something asked in that regard?

That would make my day lease:

 

[Donnareit]

I don't get the defense strategy given the 12 men and 6 women jurors. The defense apparently wanted a majority of men, but why? Makes no sense to me.

Women tend to judge each other more harshly, and Jodi feels WAY more confident that she can get what she wants from men.

The battered women's defense is tricky with a jury of more men. True there is less chance of one of the jurors being a battered woman, but most men are protective of females (generally speaking and especially if they have daughters) so they might be inclined to see Jodi as frail and helpless.

 

[LambChop]

As far as I know, the phone was off while in AZ. She had claimed she couldn't find the charger. Miraculously it reappears from under the car seat.

I do recall a report of the phone pinging near Kingman, AZ. Why she would be there when she was supposed to be driving from Pasadena CA to Utah on I-15 is confusing, however.

MOO

She had left AZ but the nearest tower was in Kingman and that is where it registered from what Flores was saying.

 

[bobloblaw]

It takes a long of strength to plunge a knife into a tire, let alone do it four times and, in fact, eight times in one night.

Just imagine the rage you would need to have enough adrenaline to fuel stabbing eight tires. And that's just jealousy rage. We see that turned on Travis as a result of an "I will destroy you" / "No, I will destroy YOU" argument.

I don't think she stabbed the tire, she likely used a sawing motion. If she tried to plunge a knife into a tire she'd break her wrist...

 

[KandyKane]

I'm talking about 5:33:32, the photo AFTER the dragging photo. In the upper left corner it has been asked byJM and confirmed by JA that this is Travis' body, his shoulder. You can see the same blood drip trail on the upper arm in the previous photo 5:32:16, the famous foot/dragging photo. Well, under the shoulder in 5:33:32 you see a squarish ridged flat object with a geometric pattern? That's what I'm seeing as the bathmat.

It's the tile floor not a bathmat. One of the detectives or forensic people testified to this on the stand when JM had whoever it was explain what was being seen in the photo.

Bathmats usually have rubber backings so they stick to the floor so that when stepping out of the tub you don't slide on it and fall. I just bought a new bathmat recently since my dog decided my bathmat was a dangerous animal that needed to be ripped to shreads. Every single bathmat I looked at in a couple of stores had this rubber backing.

The floor was soaking wet with water and blood. It would have been easy to drag him down the hallway on a wet floor. They even make water slides as outdoor summer toys for sliding on that uses the same concept. The two little girls that live next door had one last summer though I think the adults had more fun with it than the kids.

 

[Truth Detector]

As far as I know, the phone was off while in AZ. She had claimed she couldn't find the charger. Miraculously it reappears from under the car seat.

I do recall a report of the phone pinging near Kingman, AZ. Why she would be there when she was supposed to be driving from Pasadena CA to Utah on I-15 is confusing, however.

MOO

She apparently did have her phone off, but probably not smart enough to remove the battery. :facepalm:

Most phones of that era could be used 'corded'; i.e., with the charger plugged in.

What a good thing for her that she "lost" her charger right under her own front seat in her own rented car.

And, amazingly, even under the influence of deep Fognesia™ she was able to find and use it to call and leave voicemail messages for her murdered victim.

All hail St. Jodi of Arias... :razz:

 

[Nhic]

I don't believe for a second that this MM guy knew about JA's plan to butcher Travis. She may have told him what she'd done after the fact and if that's the case could he be charged with obstruction of justice? Or accessory after the fact?

 

[khaki]

originally posted by Sundawnn~
"If you insert MM and perhaps his girlfriend (the two intruders) this whole event makes so much more sense. Right down to her reactions in the interrogation room."

Watching the entirety of the unedited interrogation tapes was very enlightening and has really swayed me into thinking she had at least one accomplice. I thought it was interesting that she even mentioned going into his closet as part of the ninja story. I wonder if when she realized the gunshot didn't kill him and a knife was needed, maybe the girl ninja did the stabbing and JA went into the closet because she couldn't watch and maybe that's why she was so curious to see all the photos.