long weekend break: discuss the latest here #114

[katiedid2]

I don't believe for one moment that it was a crime of passion. I think JM has done an excellent job of proving premeditation. I think she intended to kill him in the shower because she thought it would be neat and tidy. In my view, she may have planned to actually take his body out of the house after cleaning it up there. Obviously, it did not go well.

I agree with Fran regarding the larger motive -- the Cancun trip, probably some emails she read via Travis' FB account, who knows -- she was sneaking into them all the time, by her own admission. She did not know that Mimi had already decided that she was just going to be friends with Travis, because in the interview with Flores she speaks of Mimi as being Travis' new serious interest. But -- she had received the nastygram from Travis, and we don't really know what it's about at this point. She did something to make him very angry -- and to accuse her of being a sociopath and a scammer. She may very well have shared her "sex tape" with someone. Who knows.

Anyway, my favorite is that Travis had gone to his bishop (by his friend's statements) and had told Mimi he was not "temple-worthy," meaning he had likely confessed and was going to stay away from JA. I don't personally think he knew she was coming. I think she came intending to give him one more chance to take her to Cancun and go back to being a good little automaton to do her bidding (and marry her). He didn't, and she killed him. She came there ready to do it in my view, and did it when he did not comply with her obviously delusional wishes.

That's my :twocents: :cow:

Yupp the shower would be less messy. She tried to clean up, but didnt do to good. You know what bothered me ,there was blood and decomp on the shower floor.so sad so disturbing.

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't believe for one moment that it was a crime of passion. I think JM has done an excellent job of proving premeditation. I think she intended to kill him in the shower because she thought it would be neat and tidy. In my view, she may have planned to actually take his body out of the house after cleaning it up there. Obviously, it did not go well.

I agree with Fran regarding the larger motive -- the Cancun trip, probably some emails she read via Travis' FB account, who knows -- she was sneaking into them all the time, by her own admission. She did not know that Mimi had already decided that she was just going to be friends with Travis, because in the interview with Flores she speaks of Mimi as being Travis' new serious interest. But -- she had received the nastygram from Travis, and we don't really know what it's about at this point. She did something to make him very angry -- and to accuse her of being a sociopath and a scammer. She may very well have shared her "sex tape" with someone. Who knows.

Anyway, my favorite is that Travis had gone to his bishop (by his friend's statements) and had told Mimi he was not "temple-worthy," meaning he had likely confessed and was going to stay away from JA. I don't personally think he knew she was coming. I think she came intending to give him one more chance to take her to Cancun and go back to being a good little automaton to do her bidding (and marry her). He didn't, and she killed him. She came there ready to do it in my view, and did it when he did not comply with her obviously delusional wishes.

That's my :twocents: :cow:

I think she packed up planning to stay.
Do we know did she ever return to the grandparents? Did they kick her out thinking she had robbed them?

I have never heard.

 

[Juli]

She didn't park anywhere her car could be seen for the same reason she drove 100 miles to rent a car, borrowed/bought 3 gas cans, dyed her hair, turned off her cell phone, etc. etc. etc. She intended to murder him and not have anyone even realize she'd been in Arizona.

Travis had no reason to wonder where she was or where she parked. She was like a bad penny, she kept coming back. :twocents:

As I understand it, the rental car was not something she was trying to hide because she used her MC to pay for it and she knew several of her friends would see it, which begs the question, why rent a car 100 miles away? Am I missing something? I think she used the MC to act as an alibi for the first leg of the trip. But I do agree that premeditation is clearly shown by her purchasing a gas can and hair dye with cash, as well as her cell phone conveniently being turned off before she entered Arizona.

I guess I don't understand why Travis would have no reason to wonder where her car was parked if she was invited. I find it odd that he would find it normal for her to be walking the streets at 4:00 a.m. to get to his house instead of parking in the driveway.

I do agree with you in that she was a bad penny or what I like to say - she was a poison.

 

[Sleuth5]

Didn't I hear Juan has a computer/electronic forensic guy from the PD scheduled to testify?

ETA:
Jodi even alluded to swapping memory cards in the cameras during her interrogation didn't she?

Yes. My suspicion is that he will have him confirm the origin of the "penis" picture (which he did get her to admit came from her hard drive rather than phone), as well as thoroughly debunking any "pedophile" imagery on TA's computer, that kind of thing. But who knows. Well, I don't know, anyway. :cow:

 

[Worry Wart]

Thanks.
But it was not about "gun/knife."

I did not find much or anything on this thread, about what precipitated it at that moment--or do most here believe she planned it for some time?

JMOOC but if jurors believe sexual abuse went on for some time (which of course she could have ended at any time) some may want to vote for a lesser conviction--especially perhaps the women jurors.

Is it known how many jurors are female??

Shane, you have more posts in one month than I would have in 5 years. There are 7 women in the jury pool. You should know this. Why are you asking us at this point about the motivitaions or what was the precipitating factors? What's your inclination? I say she was not abused, she was an abuser and a user.

 

[JSR]

Watching nancy grace now and just saw something interesting. Jodi admits that their breakup was mutual and it wasn't her breaking it off. She never said that on the stand.

And Flores said it was Travis who broke up with her because he thought the relationship wasn't healthy.

I always thought it was Travis who ended it and it's good to hear the confirmation.

 

[Juli]

She didn't park anywhere her car could be seen for the same reason she drove 100 miles to rent a car, borrowed/bought 3 gas cans, dyed her hair, turned off her cell phone, etc. etc. etc. She intended to murder him and not have anyone even realize she'd been in Arizona.

Travis had no reason to wonder where she was or where she parked. She was like a bad penny, she kept coming back. :twocents:

As I understand it, the rental car was not something she was trying to hide because she used her MC to pay for it and she knew several of her friends would see it, which begs the question, why rent a car 100 miles away? Am I missing something? I think she used the MC to act as an alibi for the first leg of the trip. But I do agree that premeditation is clearly shown by her purchasing a gas can and hair dye with cash, as well as her cell phone conveniently being turned off before she entered Arizona.

I totally agree that she didn't park her car in the driveway because she didn't want anybody to know she was there - that's why I said it was yet another act of premeditation. My remark was aimed at addressing whether or not Travis expected her. I guess I don't understand why Travis would have no reason to wonder where her car was parked if she was invited. I find it odd that he would find it normal for her to be walking the streets at 4:00 a.m. to get to his house instead of parking in the driveway.

I do agree with you in that she was a bad penny or what I like to say - she was a poison.

 

[Charterhouse]

I think Jodi asked him one last time if she could go to Cancun with him. She had decided if he said no, she was going to kill him. Premeditated!

That was the only reason I can figure why she did not just shoot or stab him right as she entered the home.

Just my opinion of course. I think she had some criteria he needed to meet to live. Why she had a gun and knife I don't know.

 

[gngr~snap]

As I understand it, the rental car was not something she was trying to hide because she used her MC to pay for it and she knew several of her friends would see it, which begs the question, why rent a car 100 miles away? Am I missing something? I think she used the MC to act as an alibi for the first leg of the trip. But I do agree that premeditation is clearly shown by her purchasing a gas can and hair dye with cash, as well as her cell phone conveniently being turned off before she entered Arizona.

I guess I don't understand why Travis would have no reason to wonder where her car was parked if she was invited. I find it odd that he would find it normal for her to be walking the streets at 4:00 a.m. to get to his house instead of parking in the driveway.

I do agree with you in that she was a bad penny or what I like to say - she was a poison.

IMO
Because she could return it in AZ if Travis said she could stay.

 

[Sleuth5]

I think she packed up planning to stay.
Do we know did she ever return to the grandparents? Did they kick her out thinking she had robbed them?

I have never heard.

You mean planning to stay with TA? That's interesting. I mean, in a thoroughly deluded, entirely out of the realm of possibility sort of way -- so it makes perfect sense that she might have actually entertained the idea.

I don't know if her grandparents suspected her in the theft (of the gun, etc.) or not, but it would not surprise me if she had stolen from them before (small amounts of money, that sort of thing). I don't remember hearing that they had kicked her out.

 

[gngr~snap]

I think he blew up because Mimi said she just wanted to be friends.
I wouldn't date a guy with a psycho stalker!

I think he realized she would chase away any love interest he had
and he was fed up!
moo

 

[shane13]

I don't believe for one moment that it was a crime of passion. I think JM has done an excellent job of proving premeditation. I think she intended to kill him in the shower because she thought it would be neat and tidy. In my view, she may have planned to actually take his body out of the house after cleaning it up there. Obviously, it did not go well.

I agree with Fran regarding the larger motive -- the Cancun trip, probably some emails she read via Travis' FB account, who knows -- she was sneaking into them all the time, by her own admission. She did not know that Mimi had already decided that she was just going to be friends with Travis, because in the interview with Flores she speaks of Mimi as being Travis' new serious interest. But -- she had received the nastygram from Travis, and we don't really know what it's about at this point. She did something to make him very angry -- and to accuse her of being a sociopath and a scammer. She may very well have shared her "sex tape" with someone. Who knows.

Anyway, my favorite is that Travis had gone to his bishop (by his friend's statements) and had told Mimi he was not "temple-worthy," meaning he had likely confessed and was going to stay away from JA. I don't personally think he knew she was coming. I think she came intending to give him one more chance to take her to Cancun and go back to being a good little automaton to do her bidding (and marry her). He didn't, and she killed him. She came there ready to do it in my view, and did it when he did not comply with her obviously delusional wishes.

That's my :twocents: :cow:

Thanks Sleuth.

IIRC, the gun was his?
I forget, did he have defensve wounds?

 

[fran]

Thank you for this Fran!

BIB: Is it known that he told everything to people (elders?) in the Church?
That did not get him into trouble with that Church?

I'm not sure how much he told, but I did see his friend(s) say this in an interview. I'm assuming he went to the Bishop, as I'd heard that prior to seeing his friends on the tv. We have a member here, unfortunately I can't recall her name, but she used to be Mormon and she explained the whole process.

I think I understood the ONE who goes to their Bishop first, get's the lightest reprimand and penance I THINK. IF the second person doesn't go to their Bishop or denies the allegations, they can be removed from the Church, I THINK.

I personally believe TA was remorseful for what he'd done and desperately wanted to atone.

See, when the abuser breaks up with their target, they always think they can get them back. It's possible they had sex when she came back that day, because it was the only weapon she had. OTOH, I also think it's possible they did not have sex that day, and then she realized he was NOT going to change his mind, he was done with her.

So, she killed him.

JMHO
fran

 

[Sleuth5]

Watching nancy grace now and just saw something interesting. Jodi admits that their breakup was mutual and it wasn't her breaking it off. She never said that on the stand.

And Flores said it was Travis who broke up with her because he thought the relationship wasn't healthy.

I always thought it was Travis who ended it and it's good to hear the confirmation.

Sort of... I listened to that bit carefully. She says that it was sort of mutual, but that she really broke it off, because you can't have love without trust, and "I had lost Travis' trust." That really struck me. She was so busy trying to do her normal projection that she couldn't see she was actually saying that the reason they broke up -- obviously -- was because she violated Travis' trust. She couldn't help but try to make it sound a though she did the breaking up, though, because that would make her look heroic despite the fact that she was actually the perpetrator.

I tell you, this is one twisted sister. :cow:

 

[gngr~snap]

You mean planning to stay with TA? That's interesting. I mean, in a thoroughly deluded, entirely out of the realm of possibility sort of way -- so it makes perfect sense that she might have actually entertained the idea.

I don't know if her grandparents suspected her in the theft (of the gun, etc.) or not, but it would not surprise me if she had stolen from them before (small amounts of money, that sort of thing). I don't remember hearing that they had kicked her out.

Yes! As in "MARRY ME OR ELSE!"

She did say that she didn't have room for another gas can.
Who packs THAT much for a 4 day trip?
IMO she had packed everything she could into that car.

 

[shane13]

I'm not sure how much he told, but I did see his friend(s) say this in an interview. I'm assuming he went to the Bishop, as I'd heard that prior to seeing his friends on the tv. We have a member here, unfortunately I can't recall her name, but she used to be Mormon and she explained the whole process.

I think I understood the ONE who goes to their Bishop first, get's the lightest reprimand and penance I THINK. IF the second person doesn't go to their Bishop or denies the allegations, they can be removed from the Church, I THINK.

I personally believe TA was remorseful for what he'd done and desperately wanted to atone.

See, when the abuser breaks up with their target, they always think they can get them back. It's possible they had sex when she came back that day, because it was the only weapon she had. OTOH, I also think it's possible they did not have sex that day, and then she realized he was NOT going to change his mind, he was done with her.

So, she killed him.

JMHO
fran

Thanks again Fran.

BIB: Does anyone know if an autopsy on a male can determine if he had sex shortly before death?

 

[katiedid2]

Dr drew playing the abuse accusation of Jodie towards her father.
I don't believe any of it. It's all made up with the family's agreement to keep her out of death row. In the 48 hr interview she told a different story. To accuse her father of being violent is horrible.

 

[Sleuth5]

Yes! As in "MARRY ME OR ELSE!"

She did say that she didn't have room for another gas can.
Who packs THAT much for a 4 day trip?
IMO she had packed everything she could into that car.

That's a good point with the room in the car. Hmmm. I don't know. Well, unfortunately, it would not be out of character for her given what we know, so it could actually be so.

 

[Charterhouse]

Does anyone think she had plans to burn the house down with all that gas?
Just a thought!

 

[katiedid2]

Dr drew playing the abuse accusation of. Jodie towards her father.
I don't believe any of it. It's all made up with the family's agreement to keep her out of death row. In the 48 hr interview she told a different story. To accuse her father of being violent is horrible.

I think her father was the only one humiliated the day
he sat in court listening to his daughters sex tape.