Los Angeles Deputy Shoots Partner, Blames Suspect; Both Kill Suspect in Retaliation

[Trident]

On first look at this case I thought it was a horror show. Then, when a gun was found, I wondered. After I learned the partner accidentally shot his partner, I shook my head at an episode of the Keystone Cops. Yet, a man lies dead and I'm not sure what to make of it. An officer was shot and took it out on the wrong guy? Yep, seems that did happen. Accident? Seems so. Was officer in fear of his life after being shot? Yep, I'd say so. This is a particularly nasty bit of business, brought about by all the violence, lies and hatred since Ferguson, Missouri, LE's justifiable fear of death, and the unfortunate actions by our gov't officials, such as investigating the police dept, etc., I could go on. . . and on . . .

:cow:

 

[Ellie9]

On first look at this case I thought it was a horror show. Then, when a gun was found, I wondered. After I learned the partner accidentally shot his partner, I shook my head at an episode of the Keystone Cops. Yet, a man lies dead and I'm not sure what to make of it. An officer was shot and took it out on the wrong guy? Yep, seems that did happen. Accident? Seems so. Was officer in fear of his life after being shot? Yep, I'd say so. This is a particularly nasty bit of business, brought about by all the violence, lies and hatred since Ferguson, Missouri, LE's justifiable fear of death, and the unfortunate actions by our gov't officials, such as investigating the police dept, etc., I could go on. . . and on . . .

:cow:

I think the confusion is basically that the cop who WAS shot didn't do anything wrong actually. He thought the suspect shot him, and took action to save his life. The other cop, he shot first, and he never said anything about how that was his fault and not the suspect. Then he also shoots suspect more even knowing it was him the whole time.

Geez. I hope that one cop gets in major trouble for this, but not the one who was shot. I can see why he was confused and frightened. All I can think is, you know, imagine if this wasn't caught on video. Nothing would ever happen. No one would know.

 

[Sonya610]

All I can think is, you know, imagine if this wasn't caught on video. Nothing would ever happen. No one would know.

The investigators would know. They would check Aguilar's gun either way in case it matched up to other shootings and then they would realize things didn't add up.

 

[Miranda]

Mods: Can we link from DrJones' post (11)?

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Noel-Aguilar-Wrongful-Death-Report.pdf

 

[Mountaingazer]

I think the confusion is basically that the cop who WAS shot didn't do anything wrong actually. He thought the suspect shot him, and took action to save his life. The other cop, he shot first, and he never said anything about how that was his fault and not the suspect. Then he also shoots suspect more even knowing it was him the whole time.

Geez. I hope that one cop gets in major trouble for this, but not the one who was shot. I can see why he was confused and frightened. All I can think is, you know, imagine if this wasn't caught on video. Nothing would ever happen. No one would know.

I agree! I think based on the information he had at that time, Murad did fear for his life. But that other cop...not only should he be off the force, he should be facing some kind of criminal charges.

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[Lyra500]

can anyone find a source for the claim that they stopped him for wearing headphones while riding a bike? it isnt in the report and they give a different reason altogether for the stop.

the only place i can find someone claiming that is a reporter saying Aguilar's girlfriend speculated that it might be why they stopped him.

but that isnt even from a main stream media source so i dont think im allowed to post it?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ing-man-shows-murder-family-article-1.2472590

The deputies stopped Aguilar in North Long Beach May 26 after he rode past them on a bicycle while wearing headphones, according to OC Weekly. After a struggle, Aguilar fled on foot until the cops caught up with him in alley

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hooting-handcuffed-man-23-dead-execution.html

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-before-killing-suspect-cyclist-34304563.html

Now one might wonder why he ran off, but given the subsequent behaviour of the deputies, it isn't entirely incomprehensible.

 

[Lyra500]

Yep, he had a fully loaded gun (brand Taurus)

Do you have a link for that? How do you know what make of gun it was?

The Independent article I linked to states that there is a suggestion that one of the police planted the gun.

This is from the NY Daily News article:

The video, which was put out as part of the suit against the sheriff's department, shows the deputies struggling with Aguilar on the ground, trying to handcuff him. The deputies are heard asking if Aguilar has a gun, and one of them yells, “You f---ing move I’m gonna kill you, *****.” Murad is then seen hitting Aguilar several times with what looks like a club or flashlight.
One shot goes off, and Murad screams in agony that he has been shot in the stomach. Aguilar insists again he does not have a gun.

 

[kimlynn]

It appears Aguilar DID have a gun but he didn't fire it, it was removed early on, watch at the 18-25 second mark.

Murad bangs something on the ground then slips the gun in his wasteband. I think Murad believed he was shot by the suspect, he seemed pretty upset.

Was this all covered up during the investigation? Surely the bullet they pulled out of Murad did not match the handgun found on Aguilar. I can see dropping a weapon at the scene and saying "look he was armed!" but claiming the weapon shot a cop is another thing entirely, the evidence would prove otherwise.

Murad banged the object on the ground ( which according to Ruiz,was a gun) but this happened before Ruiz shot and hit his partner. So Murad must have thought the 'suspect' had another weapon. The gun (taken from suspect) was already removed by Murad.
For the people that know about guns...what was Murad doing by hitting the gun against the pavement? Was it to get the clip off?
Ruiz seemed trigger happy. He was the first to shoot and shoot yet again after the first shot hit his partner. It was then that Murad pulled his weapon and also started shooting.
I think Ruiz counted on not much of an investigation even though all officer involved shootings are investigated.
I wonder who is partnering with Ruiz now and hope the witnesses are safe. IMO

 

[Sonya610]

Now one might wonder why he ran off, but given the subsequent behaviour of the deputies, it isn't entirely incomprehensible.

Carrying an illegal firearm would be a good reason to avoid the police.

Was he a felon? If so the firearm would mean prison time.

For the people that know about guns...what was Murad doing by hitting the gun against the pavement? Was it to get the clip off?

I wondered the same thing and I am familiar with firearms. I have no idea why he would be banging it against the pavement like that.

You wouldn't do that to remove a magazine, American made handguns have a button with a spring, just push the button. It would be pointless to remove the mag anyway since clearing the chamber would be the priority if it was about safety, that couldn't be done with one hand.

Maybe if it was a revolver he had the cylinder open and was banging it to knock the shells out? That seems odd too though.

 

[kimlynn]

Do you have a link for that? How do you know what make of gun it was?

The Independent article I linked to states that there is a suggestion that one of the police planted the gun.

This is from the NY Daily News article:

You know when I first watched the video I thought Murad was hitting the suspect with something versus banging an object on the ground.
Post #11 has a link with officer statements and Murad says he struck suspect on the elbow with his baton.
So I don't know at this point. Considering the lies it is hard to take at face value that suspect did indeed have a gun.
At any rate we know he didn't use it against the officers.
IMO

 

[Sonya610]

Okay I just watched the video again. That thing being banged on the ground isn't a gun.

A gun wouldn't sound the way that object sounded if it was being beat on the ground. The thing in his hand rattled around, firearms are sturdy and don't rattle that way.

 

[drjones]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ing-man-shows-murder-family-article-1.2472590



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hooting-handcuffed-man-23-dead-execution.html

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-before-killing-suspect-cyclist-34304563.html

Now one might wonder why he ran off, but given the subsequent behaviour of the deputies, it isn't entirely incomprehensible.

thanks but what im looking for is a source that identifies the origin of that claim, i cant see anywhere that the police say that they wanted to stop him because he was riding a bike with headphones on. so far it seems like at best it is complete speculation, or that it is being used in a mocking tone "they executed this man just for riding a bike with headphones on"

in the report they state why they wanted to stop him and they mention nothing about headphones.

 

[drjones]

i was so confused by the "banging a gun on the ground" that i wasnt even sure what was being discussed, are you talking about right at the start of the video? it is a collapsible baton, he is hitting the mans arm with the baton, the arm which is attached to a hand that he thinks contains a weapon. right after that he removes a weapon from the ground and secures it in his waistband. so did the man have a gun? it would appear so from the video.

 

[Lyra500]

thanks but what im looking for is a source that identifies the origin of that claim, i cant see anywhere that the police say that they wanted to stop him because he was riding a bike with headphones on. so far it seems like at best it is complete speculation, or that it is being used in a mocking tone "they executed this man just for riding a bike with headphones on"

in the report they state why they wanted to stop him and they mention nothing about headphones.

I provided the links because you said you could not find a reference to the cycling and the head phones in any mainstream media although I would agree that they all seem to be re-quoting.

 

[kimlynn]

i was so confused by the "banging a gun on the ground" that i wasnt even sure what was being discussed, are you talking about right at the start of the video? it is a collapsible baton, he is hitting the mans arm with the baton, the arm which is attached to a hand that he thinks contains a weapon. right after that he removes a weapon from the ground and secures it in his waistband. so did the man have a gun? it would appear so from the video.

Murad puts something in his waistband but I can't tell what it is. IMO

 

[Lyra500]

So could this mean that Murad actually shot his partner with the gun he took from the guy?

 

[kimlynn]

thanks but what im looking for is a source that identifies the origin of that claim, i cant see anywhere that the police say that they wanted to stop him because he was riding a bike with headphones on. so far it seems like at best it is complete speculation, or that it is being used in a mocking tone "they executed this man just for riding a bike with headphones on"

in the report they state why they wanted to stop him and they mention nothing about headphones.

Well now they know the real reason he was killed.IMO
ETA to cover a cops a**

 

[Lyra500]

i was so confused by the "banging a gun on the ground" that i wasnt even sure what was being discussed, are you talking about right at the start of the video? it is a collapsible baton, he is hitting the mans arm with the baton, the arm which is attached to a hand that he thinks contains a weapon. right after that he removes a weapon from the ground and secures it in his waistband. so did the man have a gun? it would appear so from the video.

Even if the guy did have a gun, what happened is unacceptable.

He was lying face down, cuffed and he was shot in the back - several times.

 

[Sonya610]

So could this mean that Murad actually shot his partner with the gun he took from the guy?

I thought Murad was shot by Ruiz?

Murad (guy on left) puts something, presumably the suspect's gun, in his wasteband. A few seconds later he is shot by Ruiz (guy on right). We can clearly see that Ruiz is holding his own weapon so there is no question about that.

 

[kimlynn]

So could this mean that Murad actually shot his partner with the gun he took from the guy?

It was Ruiz that shot Murad. Ruiz reaches for a weapon that is on the ground so who knows? Scary thought if he did use the suspects weapon.
Murad drew his weapon from his holster.