Los Angeles Deputy Shoots Partner, Blames Suspect; Both Kill Suspect in Retaliation

[bluesneakers]

There are so many threads about LE killing citizens I wasn't sure where to post this, but since this is a recent case and takes place in a city many people say is violent and riddled with crime, here it is. I know everyone who reads all the other threads is likely reading here too.

A Closer Look At Police Killings This Year Debunks A Big Myth About Community Violence

The 2015 Year-End Police Violence report, released on Monday, compares the rates at which the 60 largest police departments in the U.S. kill civilians. The data, which is a part of the Mapping Police Violence project, also found that out of the these 60 departments, only one didn’t have any officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015.
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“The police often say that the police are where the crime is as a way to suggest that the reason that they are more violent in certain communities is because they have to be there because the communities are more violent ... We wanted to see how the data matched to that suggestion, and what we saw is that it doesn’t.”

“This myth that people have created that community violence is the cause of police violence is absolutely false,” said Brittany Packnett, another member of Campaign Zero’s planning team, who also sat on Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon's (D) Ferguson Commission. “This is an issue of policy, of accountability and of culture inside of departments.”
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St. Louis Police Department had a rate of 9.5 police killings per one million residents, while Baltimore’s was 4.8 per one million. Chicago sits at 2.9 per one million and Minneapolis’ rate is 2.5 per million.

More - including a chart of cities ranked by killings per million - at the link.

 

[DexterMorgan]

There are so many threads about LE killing citizens I wasn't sure where to post this, but since this is a recent case and takes place in a city many people say is violent and riddled with crime, here it is. I know everyone who reads all the other threads is likely reading here too.

A Closer Look At Police Killings This Year Debunks A Big Myth About Community Violence

More - including a chart of cities ranked by killings per million - at the link.

Lol. Everytime I see a cop thread. I could just picture you pouring yourself a cup of coffee while putting a do not disturb sign near your computer while prepping your fingers for the long haul of a thread discussion. Lol.

Good job.

 

[bluesneakers]

Lol. Everytime I see a cop thread. I could just picture you pouring yourself a cup of coffee while putting a do not disturb sign near your computer while prepping your fingers for the long haul of a thread discussion. Lol.

Good job.

Do you mean this as a compliment?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Do you mean this as a compliment?

Of course I do my friend. Between LT.G and Officer Slam. What's not to enjoy. But let's try to stay out of twubble. Lol.

It's not Sunday night yet.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I find it rather interestig that the same people who do't wantt to blame a whole religion (Muslim) for a few bad apples have zero problem blaming the enitre police force across the country for a few bad apples. The same cops who put their lives on the line for US citizzens every day.

I wannder what our lives would be like, as a whole, wihout police officers. I don' think it would be a good thing over all. JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

I find it rather interestig that the same people who do't wantt to blame a whole religion (Muslim) for a few bad apples have zero problem blaming the enitre police force across the country for a few bad apples. The same cops who put their lives on the line for US citizzens every day.

I wannder what our lives would be like, as a whole, wihout police officers. I don' think it would be a good thing over all. JMO

There is a difference between followers of a religion and terrorists. That part is simple. There's also a difference between good cops and bad cops. The difference with LE is we are paying them - members of any specific religion aren't employed by us, nor are they expected to protect and serve us. And it's not like the Muslim who lives next door to you can call up ISIS and tell them to knock it off. If that would work believe me, it would be happening. But if an officer lives next door to you he or she could go to the department and say hey, we're supposed to be the good guys. Instead they often work together to create an environment where bad cops are allowed to keep their jobs and keep harming people.

I hope that helps.

JMO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

There is a difference between followers of a religion and terrorists. That part is simple. There's also a difference between good cops and bad cops. The difference with LE is we are paying them - members of any specific religion aren't employed by us, nor are they expected to protect and serve us. And it's not like the Muslim who lives next door to you can call up ISIS and tell them to knock it off. If that would work believe me, it would be happening. But if an officer lives next door to you he or she could go to the department and say hey, we're supposed to be the good guys. Instead they often work together to create an environment where bad cops are allowed to keep their jobs and keep harming people.

I hope that helps.

JMO

I get all that but cops all over are being blamed for a few bad ones. Has nothing to do with who pays them. Just my observations.

 

[EllieBee]

I don't blame all cops.

Just the ones who abuse their power, kill citizens and then lie about it.

There are plenty of thrm, so no need to blame all cops.

 

[kareylou]

I don't blame them all either. I have always had such respect for law enforcement that I even have a hard time using the word "cops". If you ran a word search for "cops" on my postings, I suspect you would get two hits, and they are both in this paragraph.
That is precisely why I am so heartbroken over these cases. In my opinion, one of the unique and wonderful things about our country is the emphasis put on the value and worth of the individual. All individuals.
There will always be criminals and it would be futile to hold them to high standards of behavior. But I think we can and should hold law enforcement to a very high standard.
It bothers me particularly that the only way we find out about one of these incidents is when someone records and distributes it. I realize that in such a dangerous job, police need to have each other's backs. I imagine it would be difficult to then speak out against a fellow officer. But it only erodes trust and furthers a bad situation when police are found to be falsifying reports and breaking the law to protect the bad apples from any consequences of their abuse of power.
I really don't know what the answer is. I am sure it is not quick or simple. And I never feel that I am expressing myself very well in these threads where the perpetrator is a law enforcement officer on duty. I just feel compelled to add my voice to those who are saying this is not right and it is not good for our society in the long run.
Not to mention adding my voice to those who are speaking up for the victim. They often get lost in the controversy surrounding these cases. Honestly, as you read this, do you know the name of the person who was shot? Regardless of larger issues, someone died on the sidewalk face down with a large person sitting hard on their back.
I'm going to stop typing now! It's super early, I haven't got enough sleep, and I am leaving soon to spend Christmas with my loved ones. I have so much to be grateful for. Best wishes to all reading this.

 

[kimlynn]

Great post kareylou.
The part of your post speaking of value of all beings brought to mind that one of the cops says under his breath.piece of s**t while trying to cuff NA.
It's faint but you can hear it if wearing headphones.
And of course we have the one lovely officer calling NA a b***h.
IMO

 

[kimlynn]

I get all that but cops all over are being blamed for a few bad ones. Has nothing to do with who pays them. Just my observations.

For me it boils down to do I trust as much and the answer would be no. I'm just finding out what some have known all along.
I understand the fear now, and the lack of desire to turn to LE for help.
That isn't to say that I would judge all LE the same, but the thought would be in the back of my mind during any interactions with LE.
This one was the icing on the cake.
IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

L.A. County to pay nearly $5 million to settle lawsuits in two shootings by sheriff's deputies

Noel Aguilar was shot and killed just after a deputy inadvertently shot his fellow officer in the stomach as they struggled to hold Aguilar face-down on the ground.

His family is getting $2.97 million.

Last fiscal year, payouts to resolve legal claims tied to law enforcement actions cost the county nearly $51 million, a 65% jump from the previous year.

The expenditures have climbed steadily over the last few years. In the fiscal year that ended in 2012, law enforcement-related payouts were $5.6 million.

“The Sheriff’s Department has made great strides and improved training to assist with the de-escalation of critical situations that deputies face on a daily basis,” spokeswoman Nicole Nishida said in a statement. “This was not a direct consequence of this tragic incident, but in an overall commitment by the LASD to recognize that 70% of our use of force involves individuals suffering from some form of mental illness or substance addiction.”

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