LP's Confidence

[3doglady]

How long ago was this latest story on WFTV posted?

http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html

More contradictions from LP! He says in here that he talked to DC on November 15. Didn't he say on HLN two days ago that he talked to him on December 15 or 16?

WFTV has gotten a lot of things wrong with this case. The article doesn't make it clear whether they are saying the video was filmed in November or LP was told about it in Nov.

 

[chaingangal]

There are more characters in this case than a Agatha Christie novel. Love LP, hate LP what's the difference he has always given us plenty to think about and contributed a hell of alot more than Caylees family did. Now we have a couple of bumbling detectives (Not of Columbo ilk) that apparently can't find their butts with both hands, what will LP make of this?

 

[gitana1]

If LE had found her the first time the MM called she would have been home on her birthday or very close to it, I can't remember the exact date of her birth. LP has done so much more than her family how can you hunt to find fault in this man? He's no saint but he never gave up until she was found. Thats all we could expect out of someone.

I don't think anyone's doing any hunting! Seriously, LP seems like a nice enough man, but what has he really done for this case? Never has LE stated they are connected with this man in any way. Neither was he connected with TM and TES, an organization that actually has a real, live track record of finding missing persons (not bail jumpers). He is not a PI, and I saw neither he, nor his team do any actual searching for Caylee except in the little Econ, an area already searched with sonar and cleared by TES. Sure, he was around alot, making pronouncements during searches, etc., but except for camera time, I did not see him do much. As I stated in a previous post, the only thing I have seen him manage to do besides promote himself and act as if he is somehow related to this case, is release casey from jail. She otherwise would have been cooling her jets there this whole time but he enabled her to spend tons of time at home, with her family, b.s.'ing them and perfecting her story, and enjoying her time on the internet and watching t.v. while her little daughter rotted a few feet from where casey relaxed.
I have heard NOTHING to date that LP knew which the rest of us did not. For goodness sake, he's not even on the witness list! Actually, other than repeating what the rest of us knew, none of LP's pronouncements have been remotely true. Again, I doubt LP has any inside knowledge of what casey said after he enabled her to be released, or even much info about her demeanor. He simply wasn't around her much - his assistant was. Also, and again, JB was very explicit in ordering casey not to breath a word to that man or anyone else, if my understanding of law is correct. Let's face it, LP, bless him, has added nothing to this case but publicity for himself and hours of circular and dead-end debate on this thread.

 

[Boston]

I've read a few post suggesting that LP may be working with LE or has contacts inside the OCSD feeding him information & I have to strongly disagree with that assesment

In fact I think LE just wants LP to shut up & go home.

They never asked him to get involved in this case in the first place. LE asked for an extremely high bail on KC for a reason & that reason is that they wanted to keep her in Jail where she belonged.

Little did they know that there was a Perfect stranger out there willing to spend 50k of his own money to bail KC out of jail for reasons that are still unknown to me because I'm not buying his claim that he thought Caylee was alive.

All LP really accomplished was to create a Circus like atmosphere outside the Anthony home & give Casey weeks of freedom to talk in private with her parents who may yet turn out to be accomplices to her crime.


Yes, it's great that we (The Public) received little tidbits of information from LP from time to time but in my opinion he may have done more harm to the case against Casey than good. I don't think LE is very happy about LP being involved at all & I certainly don't think they're sharing any information with him.

 

[gitana1]

I've read a few post suggesting that LP may be working with LE or has contacts inside the OCSD feeding him information & I have to strongly disagree with that assesment

In fact I think LE just wants LP to shut up & go home.

They never asked him to get involved in this case in the first place. LE asked for an extremely high bail on KC for a reason & that reason is that they wanted to keep her in Jail where she belonged.

Little did they know that there was a Perfect stranger out there willing to spend 50k of his own money to bail KC out of jail for reasons that are still unknown to me because I'm not buying his claim that he thought Caylee was alive.

All LP really accomplished was to create a Circus like atmosphere outside the Anthony home & give Casey weeks of freedom to talk in private with her parents who may yet turn out to be accomplices to her crime.


Yes, it's great that we (The Public) received little tidbits of information from LP from time to time but in my opinion he may have done more harm to the case against Casey than good. I don't think LE is very happy about LP being involved at all & I certainly don't think they're sharing any information with him.

I totally agree with this. I wonder how this case would have been if casey had never made bail.

 

[mitzi]

I've read a few post suggesting that LP may be working with LE or has contacts inside the OCSD feeding him information & I have to strongly disagree with that assesment

In fact I think LE just wants LP to shut up & go home.

They never asked him to get involved in this case in the first place. LE asked for an extremely high bail on KC for a reason & that reason is that they wanted to keep her in Jail where she belonged.

Little did they know that there was a Perfect stranger out there willing to spend 50k of his own money to bail KC out of jail for reasons that are still unknown to me because I'm not buying his claim that he thought Caylee was alive.

All LP really accomplished was to create a Circus like atmosphere outside the Anthony home & give Casey weeks of freedom to talk in private with her parents who may yet turn out to be accomplices to her crime.


Yes, it's great that we (The Public) received little tidbits of information from LP from time to time but in my opinion he may have done more harm to the case against Casey than good. I don't think LE is very happy about LP being involved at all & I certainly don't think they're sharing any information with him.

Boston, I think if LE truly wanted LP to pick up and go home, they would have told him, and him being the kind of man he is, he would have gone. I think that LE doesn't really mind the things Leonard says, because it's one way that LE can "rub salt in the Anthony's wounds" without actually doing a darn thing...I would bet that LP has even been told what to leak and what not to leak. And I don't think he would mention Savage, the FBI guy, if he didn't think he would back him up...LP knows not to lie about the FBI.

 

[whiteangora]

Bounty hunters aren't "trained" to do anything but pick up poor, dumb people who are either too scared or more often too drunk and stupid to appear in court for their hearing - you pick them up, you take them to court and then you rebond them and send them back out. If you can read a map you can be a bounty hunter. Secondly, getting a diploma from a store front diploma mill isn't exactly the same as receiving a law degree. Neither singly nor together do these credentials add up to anything more than exactly what we're doing here - speculating, guessing and discussing various aspects of the case. There is nothing wrong with that unless you happen to have a penchant for the tv camera and spout off theories that do nothing but muddle and poison the jury pool.

I guess it's safe to say you're not too fond of LP.
He's a character, a nice man, just trying to figure out this mess the same way we are doing.
He loves the camera......he has admitted as much, he's not a monster, I don't think he deserves such belittling. But, that's just my opinion.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by Bev
I have an idea of where this legend of the bounty hunter comes from, but 99% of the time the scofflaw is at his mom's, his grandma's, his girlfriend's or his own apartment. At least 99% of the time the investigation consists of asking Mom, Grandma or his girlfriend where he hangs out. At least 99.9% if the time, they're as p*ssed as the bail bondsman and will tell you where he is.

These are the qualifications you need to become a bounty hunter: a car, an ability to read a map, a newspaper to throw on the backseat of your car for the scofflaw to sit on and at least enough self control not to hit them upside the head when they puke on the floor of your car.

So you really DO NOT know what the job entails and are getting your information from some string of half-@ssed stories in a book?! Let me fill you in on a little of what they REALLY do.

If it weren't for Bounty Hunters, there would be ten times more on the streets than there are already. The people they deal with are a lot of times gang members and others who are not very keen about showing up for court dates or spending time in jail.

I only need to look as far as Andrew Luster to know that if it weren't for a Bounty Hunter more women would be drugged and raped repeatedly without a doubt. There are people like this out there that jump bail constantly. Maybe your daughter/wife/mother/sister could be prevented from becoming a victim of one of those types who decided they preferred the run from the law method, but a Bounty Hunter caught up with him first.

They do a service to LE, to the Lawyers, and to the Bondsmen who hire them. They also do a service to the public! They go after the ones that LE doesn't have time, resources, or money to track in a lot of cases. Maybe it would help if people would take the time to realize more people than LE keep our families safe. This is only one field that helps in that respect. There are many others.

 

[Mind student]

There is no doubt we who share our thoughts, hopes and
sorrow, care very much about Caylee.

Please consider this senario: Your family is being hit by a similar unspeakable horror. At the height of the family's confusion, a person you do not know comes pushing into
the middle of it all...this person takes over adding to
the explosiveness...even when their first plan does not pan out, they keep pushing. This person does not have
the experience of two other men who have been through this in their own lives. Both of those two men show respect for LE and are there just to help, not to control.
How many of us would want this intrusion. It is possible
that all the chaos he created, delayed progress in the entire case. Not that Caylee would still be alive but
some of the energy of the LE community would have not been wasted.

Like many of you have pointed out, LP always speaks with authority even when his opinion changes. Anyone who
is sensitive to this kind of loss, would never fan the fires and would not get in the way of LE doing their job.

IMO the best thing LP could do is return to his home and his job. Sadly, it seems as long as he is interviewed he will stay. In time we will likely all hear of him again. He will
probably be promoting a project.

Bounty hunters earn their living by bringing in those who have skipped bail.

Mind Student

 

[whiteangora]

There is no doubt we who share our thoughts, hopes and
sorrow, care very much about Caylee.

Please consider this senario: Your family is being hit by a similar unspeakable horror. At the height of the family's confusion, a person you do not know comes pushing into
the middle of it all...this person takes over adding to
the explosiveness...even when their first plan does not pan out, they keep pushing. This person does not have
the experience of two other men who have been through this in their own lives. Both of those two men show respect for LE and are there just to help, not to control.
How many of us would want this intrusion. It is possible
that all the chaos he created, delayed progress in the entire case. Not that Caylee would still be alive but
some of the energy of the LE community would have not been wasted.

Like many of you have pointed out, LP always speaks with authority even when his opinion changes. Anyone who
is sensitive to this kind of loss, would never fan the fires and would not get in the way of LE doing their job.

IMO the best thing LP could do is return to his home and his job. Sadly, it seems as long as he is interviewed he will stay. In time we will likely all hear of him again. He will
probably be promoting a project.

Bounty hunters earn their living by bringing in those who have skipped bail.

Mind Student

Bolded by me.
The only chaos and delays were caused by the Anthony Family and their lies,the same people who were supposed to care about Caylee.
All of the wasted energy by LE was because of the lies and cover ups from the Anthonys. The blame needs to be placed where it belongs.

 

[Bev]

The reason I know this, SS, is because I was a juvie prob/par officer. We'd pick up our own clients when they violated and bail enforcing is pretty much the same thing - you make a few phone calls, you sit and wait and when you see them you pick them up. It is nothing like it is on tv, nothing. The bail enforcement agents I know are fairly low key people who want to make their living and go home at night. They don't want to chase people down, they don't want to get into fights and they really, really don't want to get killed. People who get bail are for the most part aren't violent, criminal offenders - violent, criminal offenders don't get bail.

In my career, the only BEAs who called themselves "bounty hunters" were the blowhards and bullslingers who just made it more difficult for us poor slobs to do our jobs.

 

[Kat]

I found a link on the requirements by state on being a bounty hunter. I thought it was very interesting, thought I would share. I hope it's okay to put a link to the website here.

http://www.fugitiverecovery.com/laws/overview.htm

LP would fall under California ...yes?

 

[CathyJo63]

I hated Padilla when he first came to Orlando to bond her out but i absolutely love the man,He didn't need money,he's been in movies,bounty hunting,running for mayor and he came to their aid and he was treated like a dog,Padilla even said on N/G that casey told him to get the %$## out of HER house??Baez and all of em used him,they didn't say he couldn't talk to casey until he got her out!
I always wanted Padilla to find her but i am glad he didin't now,they'd have accused him of bringing the body there.
Padilla shoots it straight like I do, I tell the truth no matter what it cost's me!!
When he told N/G he was thinking of doing the lie detector live on PPV my heart sunk & all of a sudden he tells N/G & use the money for the searches??
Now that's a Man!! With a good Heart!!
Shux if i'd ever wanted to remarry I'd probably propose to him........LoL
but I'll stay widowed cause he's taken....LoL I am funnin' but he Is my favorite out of all involved!

 

[CathyJo63]

AMEN!!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Everybody's hung up on Padilla wanting Money? Well gee whizz....even the A's do & everyone involved does IMO!
so why not a bounty hunter.
I'd rather see anybody get the money off this that the A'S and attorneys and people they've hired!
Whats the difference,Baez makes it and he's an attorney so why should Padilla or anybody else not??

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The reason I know this, SS, is because I was a juvie prob/par officer. We'd pick up our own clients when they violated and bail enforcing is pretty much the same thing - you make a few phone calls, you sit and wait and when you see them you pick them up. It is nothing like it is on tv, nothing. The bail enforcement agents I know are fairly low key people who want to make their living and go home at night. They don't want to chase people down, they don't want to get into fights and they really, really don't want to get killed. People who get bail are for the most part aren't violent, criminal offenders - violent, criminal offenders don't get bail.
In my career, the only BEAs who called themselves "bounty hunters" were the blowhards and bullslingers who just made it more difficult for us poor slobs to do our jobs.

With all due respect, you must not live anywhere near where I do because we have gangbangers constantly getting bail and running here. The judges are mostly to blame for setting bail low enough for their "people" to come up with...but they do it time after time usually with the knowledge that when it comes to a trial...witnesses won't talk or show up because of fear.

I see a huge difference in tracking down a juvie and tracking down a gangbanger back to Los Angeles where they run when they get "hot" here. People, especially families of these people, refuse to give them up because they are afraid of the gangs with good reason.

Our "Fugitive Recovery Agents" prefer the term "Bounty Hunter" because they feel that it sounds "pompous". I think it does, too. The BHs I know are good people doing a job, not blowhards etc. They do it well enough to carve out a nice living. It means a lot of cross-country trips and sleepless nights on stake-outs, but to them it is like any other business.

 

[Bev]

SS, with all due respect, you don't understand how bail bonding works. It is a business, bail bondsmen are in the business to make money, they don't provide bond for "gangbangers" they know are going to run. BEAs don't "criss cross the country" looking for skips, because every state has different regulations and statutes regarding the rearrest of the bondees. The vast majority of bail bonding is done by locals for locals.

Secondly, bail is afforded by statute and isn't always up to the judges' discretion. That is why so many people were surprised that KC had a 500K bond put on her - a bond for the offense she was charged with at the time is around 5K. This bond was extraordinary, which is why Baez asked for a bond hearing and got one. In this case prosecutors proved to the judge that the bond was correct in this case and KC's rights were not violated by excessive bail. For most people, however, bail is set by statute.

 

[Kat]

SS, with all due respect, you don't understand how bail bonding works. It is a business, bail bondsmen are in the business to make money, they don't provide bond for "gangbangers" they know are going to run. BEAs don't "criss cross the country" looking for skips, because every state has different regulations and statutes regarding the rearrest of the bondees. The vast majority of bail bonding is done by locals for locals.

Secondly, bail is afforded by statute and isn't always up to the judges' discretion. That is why so many people were surprised that KC had a 500K bond put on her - a bond for the offense she was charged with at the time is around 5K. This bond was extraordinary, which is why Baez asked for a bond hearing and got one. In this case prosecutors proved to the judge that the bond was correct in this case and KC's rights were not violated by excessive bail. For most people, however, bail is set by statute.

Thank you for taking the time to explain bail Bev. I was reading on another website about another crime and here is a quote that I found interesting about bail. I hope it's not to OT to share with others here that are not as informed about the bail process as I am.

http://www.floridalawusa.com/Articles/gonzales.htm This link is not about this case.

"The notion of bail is not to hold a person in jail, but to ensure they show up for trial," said Bruce Winick, a law professor at the University of Miami law school. "You can't punish a person by keeping them in jail before a conviction. The judge has to set a reasonable bail."

 

[Kat]

May I ask another question about bail and the process Bev?

bail


The money paid to the court, usually at arraignment or shortly thereafter, to ensure that an arrested person who is released from jail will show up at all required court appearances. The amount of bail is determined by the local bail schedule, which is based on the seriousness of the offense. The judge can increase the bail if the prosecutor convinces him that the defendant is likely to flee (for example, if he has failed to show up in court in the past), or he can decrease it if the defense attorney shows that the defendant is unlikely to run (for example, he has strong ties to the community by way of a steady job and a family).

Source of quote: http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/817788FB-621C-4363-B914AE4433E81878/alpha/B/

By "local bail schedule" is that in reference to the local court (orange county FL) or local as in FL or am I completely misunderstanding? TIA.

 

[karenmamo]

So you really DO NOT know what the job entails and are getting your information from some string of half-@ssed stories in a book?! Let me fill you in on a little of what they REALLY do.

If it weren't for Bounty Hunters, there would be ten times more on the streets than there are already. The people they deal with are a lot of times gang members and others who are not very keen about showing up for court dates or spending time in jail.

I only need to look as far as Andrew Luster to know that if it weren't for a Bounty Hunter more women would be drugged and raped repeatedly without a doubt. There are people like this out there that jump bail constantly. Maybe your daughter/wife/mother/sister could be prevented from becoming a victim of one of those types who decided they preferred the run from the law method, but a Bounty Hunter caught up with him first.

They do a service to LE, to the Lawyers, and to the Bondsmen who hire them. They also do a service to the public! They go after the ones that LE doesn't have time, resources, or money to track in a lot of cases. Maybe it would help if people would take the time to realize more people than LE keep our families safe. This is only one field that helps in that respect. There are many others.

Love your response, seriously. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[TxLady2]

The reason I know this, SS, is because I was a juvie prob/par officer. We'd pick up our own clients when they violated and bail enforcing is pretty much the same thing - you make a few phone calls, you sit and wait and when you see them you pick them up. It is nothing like it is on tv, nothing. The bail enforcement agents I know are fairly low key people who want to make their living and go home at night. They don't want to chase people down, they don't want to get into fights and they really, really don't want to get killed. People who get bail are for the most part aren't violent, criminal offenders - violent, criminal offenders don't get bail.

In my career, the only BEAs who called themselves "bounty hunters" were the blowhards and bullslingers who just made it more difficult for us poor slobs to do our jobs.

Bounty hunters don't just go after bail-jumpers. Some of them chase the people who are on the wanted posters in the local post offfice, too. I don't think it's fair to say that their job is always easy because it's not.
There is a little difference in dealing with juvies and dealing with an adult who's been in jail several times, and doesn't want to go back.
And yes... sometimes the bad ones do get bail... it all depends on the judge. Rapists, child molestors, bank robbers, even murderers... all have been known to get bail. It all depends on the judge.
I'm not a big fan of LP... I like the guy but I take him with a grain of salt. But he is not just a bounty hunter. He is also a private investigator, I believe.
Heck, even car repo guys get shot at once in a while!!!