Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury arrive. Procès #Magnotta reprend. Suite du témoignage du psychiatre Gilles Chamberland, interrogé par la Couronne.

Translation: Jury arrives. #Magnotta Trial resumes. More testimony of psychiatrist Gilles Chamberland , being questioned by the Crown.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 28s28 seconds ago
#Magnotta jury in. Judge says trial nearly done, but jury won't start deliberating until end of week of Dec 8, at earliest. #cbcmtl

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 41s41 seconds ago
Le juge dit au jury que les délibérations vont finalement débuter vers la fin de la deuxième semaine de décembre. Au plus tôt. #Magnotta

Translation: The judge told the jury that the deliberations will finally begin towards the end of the second week of December. At the earliest. #Magnotta

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 56s57 seconds ago
Au départ le juge parlait de possibles délibérations la semaine prochaine. Ça n'arrivera pas! #Magnotta

Translation: Initially the judge spoke of possible deliberations next week. It will not happen!

 

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Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 19m19 minutes ago
The #Magnotta jury is present and advised the judge that the proceedings will not begin until the end of the week of December 8
Le jury #Magnotta est présent et avisé par le juge que les délibérations ne commenceront pas avant la fin de la semaine du 8 décembre

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 14m14 minutes ago
#Magnotta Did not have disorganized behavior in Paris or Berlin , notes Dr. Chamberland
#Magnotta n'avait pas de comportement désorganisé ni à Paris ni à Berlin, note le Dr Chamberland

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 15m15 minutes ago
Chamberland said #Magnotta was not disorganized in his choices or decisions while he was in Paris and Berlin.
Chamberland dit que #Magnotta n'était pas désorganisé dans ses choix ni ses décisions alors qu'il était à Paris et Berlin.

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 14m14 minutes ago
An arrest is a huge stress, the witness said.It's possible Magnotta had psychosis after his arrest in Berlin
Une arrestation est un stress énorme, dit le témoin. Possible que #Magnotta ait fait une psychose après son arrestation à Berlin

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 11m11 minutes ago
Chamberland: #Magnotta did not show schizophrenia symptom of disorganization after killing, but rather, he was "ultra organized".

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 12m12 minutes ago
Magnotta was "ultra organised the witness said. In 48 hours , he organized his trip, emptied his apartment, gets rid of the body of #JunLin etc.
#Magnotta était "ultra organisé", dit le témoin. En 48h, il a organisé son voyage, vide son appart, se débarrasse du corps de #JunLin etc.

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 12m12 minutes ago
" That's a lot in 48 hours ," the expert psychiatrist of the Crown. #Magnotta
"Ça fait beaucoup en 48h", ajoute le psychiatre-expert de la Couronne. #Magnotta

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 13m13 minutes ago
Even in Berlin, #Magnotta was able to have fun, so one will doubt that it is schizophrenic , says the witness.
Et même à Berlin, #Magnotta a été capable d'avoir du plaisir, sans que personne ne se doute qu'il soit schizophrène, note le témoin.

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 12m12 minutes ago
Chamberland described how #Magnotta was organized during the crime and after : travel arrangements in Europe, apartment cleaning
Chamberland décrit à quel point #Magnotta était organisé lors du crime et après: organisation du voyage en Europe, ménage de l'appartement

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 12m12 minutes ago
#Magnotta réussit même à réorganiser son travail en Europe, en s'inscrivant sur des sites pour escortes. Tout ça en 48h.
#Magnotta Even managed to organize work in Europe , by registering on the sites for escorts. All this within 48 hours.

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 13m13 minutes ago
Dr. Chamberland is based on the same observations as his colleague in Berlin to conclude that #Magnotta was organized and not the opposite.
Le Dr Chamberland se base sur mêmes observations que son collègue de Berlin pour conclure que #Magnotta était organisé et non le contraire.

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 12m12 minutes ago
Not to mention disposing of the body of his victim
Sans parler de ce qui a trait au corps de sa victime dont il se débarrasse. #Magnotta

 

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Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 11m11 minutes ago
With Dr Barth in Berline, Magnotta spoke about him, his illness, goes into victim. Not disorganized, supports the witness.
Avec le Dr Barth à Berlin , #Magnotta parle de lui, de sa maladie, se place en victime. Pas désorganisé, soutient le témoin.

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 9m9 minutes ago
For Chamberland, Magnotta was anything but disprganised in prison in Berline. He gave a lot of information to Barth.
Pour Chamberland, #Magnotta "avait tout sauf une pensée désorganisée en prison à Berlin". Il donnait plein d'informations à Barth

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 9m9 minutes ago
"For me (Magnotta talking to Dr Barth) is anything but disorganised" said Dr Chamberland
"Pour moi, (le discours de #Magnotta au Dr Barth) c'est tout sauf de la pensée désorganisée", dit le Dr Chamberland.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 10m10 minutes ago
Chamberland reads what #Magnotta told Berlin psychiatrist after arrest. Talked of himself as victim, not taking meds, symptoms,bad childhood

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 9m9 minutes ago
It's anything BUT disorganized thought, witness says.Psychiatrist got all needed to diagnose schizophrenia without asking question #Magnotta

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 10m10 minutes ago
The witness pointed out that Dr. Barth took cash for everything #Magnotta said, because it was the doctor.
Le témoin souligne que le Dr Barth a pris pour du cash tout ce que #Magnotta a dit, car c'était le médecin traitant.


Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta Poses as the victim , does not take much, says Chamberland
#Magnotta se pose en victime, n'assume pas grand-chose, dit Chamberland

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 2m2 minutes ago
"By minimising the consumption of substances, one does not choose to conclude with schizophrenia" says Dr Chamberland
"En minimisant la consommation de substances, on n'a pas le choix de conclure à la schizophrénie", dit le Dr Chamberland. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 1m1 minute ago
Chamberland: #Magnotta minimized his drug/alcohol use, forcing doctors to conclude his symptoms were due to schizophrenia.

 

[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 4m4 minutes ago
Chamberland interrogé sur le rapport du Dr Barth, qui a vu #Magnotta pendant une semaine après son arrestation à Berlin.

Translation: Chamberland asked about the report of Dr. Barth, who saw #Magnotta for a week after his arrest in Berlin.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 4m4 minutes ago
Chamberland commence par dire qu'il "n'y a pas eu d'évidence de comportement désorganisé" chez #Magnotta à Paris et Berlin

Translation: Chamberland begins by saying that "there was no evidence of disorganized behavior " in #Magnotta in Paris and Berlin

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
L'arrestation a-t-elle pu entraîner une psychose? Possible. Mais les stress étaient déjà énormes, dit Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Could his arrest lead to psychosis? Possible. But the stress was already enormous , says Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
"Le comportement de M. après le délit m'apparaît ultraorganisé", dit Chamberland, i.e. quitter son logement, préparer son voyage #Magnotta

Translation: It appears to me that the behavior of Magnotta was very organised after the offense ," says Chamberland , ie left his home , prepared his travels #Magnotta

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 6m6 minutes ago
#Magnotta a fait tout cela en 48 heures.

Translation: #Magnotta Did it all in 48 hours.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 4m4 minutes ago
Or #Magnotta "a réussi à le faire et à bien le faire", poursuit Chamberland. Il avait de longues journées et il a eu du plaisir

Translation: #Magnotta "managed to do it and do it well ," says Chamberland . He had long days and he had fun

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 5m5 minutes ago
Chamberland: #Magnotta did not show schizophrenia symptom of disorganization after killing, but rather, he was "ultra organized".

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 5m5 minutes ago
Après arrestation, Dr Barth dit que #Magnotta s'est mis à avoir discours désorganisé et que il a eu toutes sortes infos. Cela étonne témoin.

Translation: After arrest, Dr. Barth said #Magnotta began to have disorganized speech and that he had all kinds info . That surprises witness.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 5m5 minutes ago
Chamberland: after killing, #Magnotta able to plan trip to Europe, cleaned/packed up apartment, even set up work overseas, all in 48 hours.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Barth a dit que #Magnotta sautait du coq à l'âne, un symptôme de schizophrénie. Pensée désorganisée.

Translation: Barth said #Magnotta jumped from one topic to another , a symptom of schizophrenia . Disorganized thinking.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Or selon Chamberland, la pensée désorganisée chez schizophrène entraîne un discours sans valeur probante #Magnotta

Translation: But according to Chamberland, disorganized thinking in schizophrenia causes no probative speech #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
"Moi, je vois qqun qui a une pensée très organisée", dit Chamberland. C'est le "contraire" de ce qu'écrit Barth. #Magnotta

Translation: " I see someone who has a very organized mind ," says Chamberland . This is the "opposite" of what Barth writes . #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Avec Barth "non seulement #Magnotta ne parle que de lui, mais il parle de sa maladie". Incompatible avec pensée désorganisée -Chamberland

Translation: With Barth "not only does #Magnotta speak only of himself, but he talks about his illness." Incompatible with disorganized thinking -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Qui plus est, #Magnotta a expliqué d'emblée à Barth pourquoi il ne prenait plus de médicaments, en évoquant Manny -Chamberland

Translation: Moreover, #Magnotta explained immediately to Barth why he took more drugs , citing Manny -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
"#Magnotta se place en victime" par rapport aux autres, à ses parents, ajoute Chamberland.

Translation: #Magnotta goes into victim mode" in relation to others, to his parents, added Chamberland.

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 6m6 minutes ago
#Magnotta se place toujours en victime lors de sa rencontre avec Dr Barth. Et Manny est responsable de bien des choses note Dr Chamberland

Translation: #Magnotta always places himself as the victim in his meeting with Dr. Barth . And Manny is responsible for many things noted Dr. Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Comme d'habitude, #Magnotta fixe le plancher dans sa cage de verre en écoutant le témoignage de Chamberland.

Translation: As usual #Magnotta gaze fixed to the floor of his glass cage during the testimony of Chamberland.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
"Pour moi, c'est tout sauf de la pensée désorganisée", dit Chamberland au sujet des infos livrés à Barth par #Magnotta

Translation: For me, it is anything but disorganized thinking ," says Chamberland about information delivered by Barth #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
Chamberland note en outre qu'une fois toutes ces informations livrées à Barth, #Magnotta s'est refermé. A cessé de livrer infos.

Translation: Chamberland also notes that once all this information delivered to Barth, #Magnotta stopped all information.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 8m8 minutes ago
#Magnotta voulait être pris pour schizophrène. Il n'a pas voulu donner plus d'infos à Dr Barth.

Translation: #Magnotta Wanted to be taken for schizophrenic. He declined to give more information to Dr. Barth .

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 8m8 minutes ago
Chamberland reads what #Magnotta told Berlin psychiatrist after arrest. Talked of himself as victim, not taking meds, symptoms,bad childhood

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 9m9 minutes ago
"Avec ça et uniquement ça, n'importe quel médecin va retenir un diagnostic de schizophrénie", ajoute Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: With that , and only that, any doctor will retain a diagnosis of schizophrenia ," says Chamberland #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 8m8 minutes ago
It's anything BUT disorganized thought, witness says.Psychiatrist got all needed to diagnose schizophrenia without asking question #Magnotta

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 10m10 minutes ago
#Magnotta a dit je ne veux pas en parler, ex, de sa mère, mais il en parle pour la dénigrer. C'est particulier. Il se pose en victim

Translation: #Magnotta said I do not want to talk regarding his mother , but he speaks to denigrate . This is special. He poses as the victim

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Chamberland note les incohérences dans le discours de #Magnotta concernant consommation de droues et d'alcool.

Translation: Chamberland noted inconsistencies in the discourse on #Magnotta's consumption of alcohol.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Ex. #Magnotta a attribué sa consommation de cannabis à Manny. Or ses textos avant le meurtre montrent qu'il en consommait -Chamberland

Translation: #Magnotta attributed his cannabis use to Manny . But his texting before the murder show that he was consuming -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
En minimisant sa consommation de drogues, #Magnotta augmente les chances qu'on attribue ses symptômes à la maladie -Chamberland

Translation: Minimizing the consumption of drugs, increases the chances #Magnotta attributed his symptoms to the disease -Chamberland

 

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christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 26m26 minutes ago
Magnotta gave avalanches of information to Dr Barth. This is anything but disorganized thinking, says Dr. Chamberland .
#Magnotta a donné avalanches de renseignements entremêlés à Dr Barth. C'est tout sauf de la pensée désorganisée, trouve Dr Chamberland.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 26m26 minutes ago
#Magnotta voulait être pris pour schizophrène. Il n'a pas voulu donner plus d'infos à Dr Barth.
#Magnotta Wanted to be taken for schizophrenic. He declined to give more information to Dr. Barth .

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 26m26 minutes ago
Pour Chamberland, #Magnotta "avait tout sauf une pensée désorganisée en prison à Berlin". Il donnait plein d'informations à Barth
For Chamberland, #Magnotta " was anything but disorganized thinking in prison in Berlin ." He gave lots of information in Barth

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 27m27 minutes ago
Chamberland reads what #Magnotta told Berlin psychiatrist after arrest. Talked of himself as victim, not taking meds, symptoms,bad childhood

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 27m27 minutes ago
As of the attending physician, Dr. Barth took for granted all that #Magnotta told him . Dr. Chamberland disagrees.
En tant de médecin traitant, Dr Barth a pris pour acquis tout ce que #Magnotta lui a dit. Dr Chamberland pas d'accord.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 25m25 minutes ago
#Magnotta Said I do not want to talk , ex, his mother , but he speaks to denigrate . This is special. He poses as the victim
#Magnotta a dit je ne veux pas en parler, ex, de sa mère, mais il en parle pour la dénigrer. C'est particulier. Il se pose en victime

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 25m25 minutes ago
It's anything BUT disorganized thought, witness says.Psychiatrist got all needed to diagnose schizophrenia without asking question #Magnotta

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 25m25 minutes ago
Magnotta justified his reasons
#Magnotta se justifie dans ses raisons.

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 25m25 minutes ago
Magnotta posed as the victim, didn't take much
#Magnotta se pose en victime, n'assume pas grand-chose, dit Chamberland

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 19m19 minutes ago
Cannabis is more and more powerful, it is not imposssible it will give psychotic symptoms , said Dr. Chamberland . #Magnotta
Le cannabis est de plus en plus puissant, pas imposssible qu'il donne des symptômes psychotiques, dit Dr Chamberland. #Magnotta

 

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salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 6m6 minutes ago
Chamberland: #Magnotta minimized his drug/alcohol use, forcing doctors to conclude his symptoms were due to schizophrenia.

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 6m6 minutes ago
Chamberland ajoute qu'après le meurtre on voit #Magnotta jeter des bouteilles de vin. LRM avait déjà dit boire 3-4 verres de vin au coucher.

Translation: Chamberland added that after the murder #Magnotta was seen throwing out wine bottles. LM had said he drinks 3-4 glasses of wine at bedtime.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
Dr Barth a évoqué que #Magnotta a craint d'être tué lorsqu'il a sorti son cell. "Pour moi, c'est très très théâtral" -Chamberland

Translation: Dr. Barth mentioned that #Magnotta feared being killed when he was taken out his cell . "For me, it's very theatrical " -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
Selon Chamberland, cette réaction s'explique davantage par le trouble de personnalité de #Magnotta, dont aspect histrionique

Translation: According to Chamberland, this reaction is explained more by #Magnotta histrionic personality disorder

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 6m6 minutes ago
Pour Chamberland des réactions de #Magnotta s'expliquent par un trouble de la personnalité histrionique. Gens très théâtrales dit le psy.

Translation: For Chamberland #Magnotta reactions are due a histrionic personality disorder . Very theatrical people said the psychiatrist.

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 7m7 minutes ago
Personnalité histrionique=besoin de beaucoup d'attention ajoute Chamberland. #Magnotta

Translation: Histrionic Personality Disorder = need a lot of attention Chamberland added . #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
Après rencontre avec Barth, #Magnotta se retire dans sa chambre, a peu de contacts. Cohérent avec ses deux dernières hospitalisations

Translation: After meeting with Barth, #Magnotta retires to his room, has little contact . Consistent with his last two hospitalizations

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
Or Chamberland note qu'il est difficile de simuler la schizophrénie pendant une semaine, simuler pensée désorganisée... #Magnotta

Translation: Chamberland notes that it is difficult to simulate schizophrenia for a week, simulating disorganized thinking ... #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
During this testimony, #Magnotta is sitting bent over low with forehead nearly touching his knees. He's mostly in this position in courtroom

Mathieu Belhumeur ‏@mbelhumeurTVA · 2m2 minutes ago
Chamberland répète que pour lui #Magnotta a un trouble de la personnalité et simule symptômes de schizophrénie. Laisse croire une psychose

Translation: Chamberland repeat that for him #Magnotta has a personality disorder and simulates symptoms of schizophrenia. Suggests psychosis

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Chamberland répète: soit #Magnotta est schizophrène, et plusieurs choses ne peuvent êtres expliquées. "Peu probable"...

Translation: Chamberland repeats that either #Magnotta is schizophrenic , and many things can not be explained . " Unlikely " ...or

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
...soit #Magnotta souffre d'un trouble de la personnalité. Chamberland penche clairement pour cette 2e option.

Translation: #Magnotta suffers from a personality disorder . Chamberland clearly leans to the second option.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 7m7 minutes ago
Ce trouble de la personnalité, avec des éléments de simulation, explique mieux ce qui s'est passé que schizophrénie -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: This personality disorder with simulation elements , better explains what happened than schizophrenia -Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Connaître les symptômes négatifs de la schizophrénie, c'est peu fréquent. Or #Magnotta les écrivait dès 2001 dans lettre à ODSP -Chamberland

Translation: Knowing the negative symptoms of schizophrenia , it is infrequent. Or #Magnotta wrote in 2001 in the letter to ODSP -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 8m8 minutes ago
Pause de 20 min au procès #Magnotta

Break for 20 minutes.

 

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christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 18m18 minutes ago
Magnotta had reactions that were theatrical, exaggerated, says Dr Chamberland
#Magnotta avait des réactions théâtrales, exagérées, estime Dr Chamberland.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 17m17 minutes ago
Witness explains histrionic personality. Very theatrical people , need to have attention to itself , otherwise significant anxiety. #Magnotta
Témoin explique personnalité histrionique. Gens très théâtraux, besoin avoir attention sur soi, sinon, angoisse importante. #Magnotta

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 17m17 minutes ago
Chamberland believes #Magnotta suffers from histrionic personality disorder , which could explain the whole file
Chamberland croit que #Magnotta souffre d'un trouble de la personnalité histrionique, qui pourrait expliquer tout le dossier.

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 16m16 minutes ago
This disorder ( histrionic ) results in a very theatrical personality. People who need to draw attention to them. #Magnotta
Ce trouble (histrionique) se traduit par une personnalité très théâtrale. Gens qui ont besoin d'attirer l'attention sur eux. #Magnotta

Isabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 16m16 minutes ago
If they do not have attention, Chamberland said , they experience significant anxiety. #Magnotta
S'ils n'ont pas d'attention, dit Chamberland, ils ressentent une angoisse importante. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 15m15 minutes ago
During this testimony, #Magnotta is sitting bent over low with forehead nearly touching his knees. He's mostly in this position in courtroom

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 14m14 minutes ago
Yes it's hard to simulate schizophrenia 1 week, but #Magnotta in Berlin just repeated the same thing then is isolated, said Dr. Chamberland .
Oui c'est dur de simuler schizophrénie 1 semaine, mais #Magnotta à Berlin à juste répété la même chose puis s'est isolé, dit Dr Chamberland.

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 13m13 minutes ago
Everything becomes clear if one assumes that #Magnotta has a personality disorder rather than schizophrenia, the witness said.
Tout devient limpide si on prend pour acquis que #Magnotta a des troubles de la personnalité plutôt que de la schizophrénie, dit le témoin.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 13m13 minutes ago
Dr. Chamberland estimated #Magnotta is a personality disorder that simulated the schizo in Berlin as a real schizo
Dr Chamberland estime que #Magnotta est plus un trouble de personnalité qui simulait la schizo, à Berlin, que un vrai schizo.

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM 12m12 minutes ago
Dr. Chamberland supports the thesis of the simulation #Magnotta , unlike psychiatrists retained by the defense .
Le Dr Chamberland soutient la thèse de la simulation de #Magnotta, contrairement aux psychiatres retenus par la défense.

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins 12m12 minutes ago
It is always the two options for a witness retains #Magnotta : schizo or personality disorder that simulates schizo
Ce sont toujours les deux options que témoin retient pour #Magnotta: schizo ou trouble de personnalité qui simule schizo.

sabelle Richer ‏@IsabelleRicher 12m12 minutes ago
According to his consideration behaviors #Magnotta the psychiatrist said it was unlikely that he had a psychotic episode

Morning break.
Selon l'examen qu'il fait des comportements de #Magnotta le psy dit que c'est peu probable qu'il ait eu un épisode psychotique

 

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Where are all the English journalists? I guess LM has finally become completely irrelevant to anyone outside of Montreal where he committed the crime?

And I agree with Dr. Chamberland that LM was simulating psychotic behaviour and putting on a show in a big way in Berlin. While he may have been hospitalized for true psychosis in the past (either brought on by drugs or mental illness), there is noting to suggest he was suffering from one at the time of the murder, either before or after. If he was, he would have headed to the hospital or the police station as he's done in the past. Not to Paris after meticulously cleaning the scene and setting up his debut online and via the postal service as a crazed cannibal serial killer.

MOO

 

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http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/5158164-crown-psychiatrist-on-the-stand-at-magnotta-trial/

"It still seems very possible that the sane part of the gentleman, which was in touch with reality at the time of the acts, was amply sufficient to enable him to appreciate the nature of his acts and to know those actions were wrong," he wrote in his nine-page report.

Chamberland also said a person with mental disorder does not necessarily meet the criteria for a mental disorder defence outlined in Sec. 16 of the Criminal Code.

He also expressed doubt as to whether Magnotta actually suffered from schizophrenia.

"For me, there's nothing conclusive," Chamberland testified, adding such a diagnosis requires a long observation. He said he believes many of his previous hospitalizations for psychosis were caused by drug use — notably cocaine.

"I'm not saying Mr. Magnotta wasn't suffering, but Mr. Magnotta also said he was consuming cocaine at the time, which could clearly explain his symptoms," Chamberland said.

Magnotta himself told a Montreal psychiatrist he saw in April 2012 that many of his previous hospitalizations had been for episodes triggered by cocaine use. That psychiatrist had also ruled out schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Chamberland said one of the medical dossiers even mentions that Magnotta's immediate family raised concerns he was mimicking symptoms exhibited by his father, who has schizophrenia and is estranged from the family. An aunt suggested it was just his way of seeking attention.

The Crown expert also said Magnotta's obsession with his physical appearance and looks flies against the usual symptoms exhibited by schizophrenic patients, who tend to neglect their appearance.

 

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François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 29s29 seconds ago
Procès #Magnotta reprend.

Translation: #Magnotta Trial resumes.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Chamberland dit qu'il est "surprenant" que Barth a évoqué pleine collaboration de #Magnotta. Il refusait de répondre à plusieurs questions.

Translation: Chamberland said it was "surprising" that Barth spoke full cooperation of #Magnotta . He refused to answer several questions.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Dr Chamberland se prononce maintenant sur les conclusions des psys qui ont vu #Magnotta à RDP, en commençant par le Dr Talbot

Translation: Dr. Chamberland now discussing the conclusions of psychologists who have seen #Magnotta at RDP , starting with Dr. Talbot

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
Talbot avait donné congé à #Magnotta à la fin de l'été 2012. Donc, pour lui, sa médication était OK, il était stable -Chamberland

Translation: Talbot stopped seeing #Magnotta at the end of the summer of 2012. So for him, his medication was OK , it was stable -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Entre août et nov. 2012, #Magnotta n'a vu aucun psy. Jusqu'à ce que Magnotta évoque effets secondaires de sa médication -Chamberland

Translation: Between August and November 2012 ,#Magnotta saw no shrink. Until Magnotta evokes side effects of his medication

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Nov. 2012: #Magnotta voulait du Risperdal, un antipsychotique puissant. Talbot ne voulait pas. Chamberland croit qu'il avait raison.

Translation: Nov. 2012: #Magnotta wanted Risperdal , a powerful antipsychotic. Talbot would not prescribe. Chamberland thinks he was right.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Talbot a dit que #Magnotta a fait intervenir son avocat suite à cet épisode. Voulait qu'un autre doc s'occupe de sa médication -Chamberland

Translation: Talbot said #Magnotta involved his attorney after this episode. He wanted another doc to handle his medication -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
Jury se retire, à la demande de la défense #Magnotta

Translation: Jury retires at the request of the defense #Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

Michaël Nguyen @MNguyenJDM · 4m 4 minutes ago
One enters the medical report of Dr. Talbot , who met #Magnotta in prison in Montreal.
On entre dans le rapport médical du Dr Talbot, qui a rencontré #Magnotta en prison à Montréal.

Michaël Nguyen @MNguyenJDM
Without jury in Magnotta. The first of the day.
Hors-jury à #Magnotta. Le premier de la journée.

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji 2m2 minutes ago
Chamberland: in Mtl detention centre, #Magnotta wanted Risperdal, strong antipsychotic med. Dr said no, accused got lawyer in to change dr.

 

[Rayemonde]

That's interesting, we never heard that before. I thought his psychiatrist had changed because the original one was retiring, but it turns out LM got his lawyer involved and demanded to have a different psychiatrist who would do as he said!

 

[Kamille]

Okay so what's with the Risperdal? Anyone know why he told Dr Barth he was on this drug but wasn't and why he wanted it so badly while in prison? What's the attraction? Have we seen any evidence of what drugs he was ACTUALLY prescribed by any of the doctor in reports that have been brought in to this trial? Prior to the murder I mean.

 

[Rayemonde]

Yeah, he was definitely on risperdal in 2005 because his doctor mentioned it in his letter to the court. But he was getting it injected at the time and started skipping the appointments.

 

[Kamille]

Okay so we're not allowed to hear anything about how LM managed to manipulate himself a new doctor...moving on

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
21 nov. 2012: La Dre Renée Roy, qui a succédé au Dr Talbot, écrit qu'elle ne peut confirmer diagnostic pour #Magnotta

Translation: 21 Nov 2012 . Dr. Renée Roy, who succeeded Dr. Talbot wrote that she can not confirm diagnosis #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
Nov. 2012: Renée Roy soupçonnait #Magnotta de mettre des symptômes de l'avant. Restait prudente. A refusé de lui prescrire Risperdal

Translation: Nov. 2012: Renée Roy suspected symptoms #Magnotta to proceed. Remained cautious . Refused to prescribe Risperdal

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 34s35 seconds ago
Chamberland dit qu'il est "rare" que des prévus demandent changement de médication à RDP. Mais "ça peut arriver" #Magnotta

Translation: Chamberland said it is "rare" as provided require medication change RDP . But " it could happen " #Magnotta

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 3m3 minutes ago
Est-il courant pour détenus de RDP de demander changer de psy?Pas courant, mais de temps en temps, dit Dr Chamberland. #Magnotta.

Is it common for inmates to seek change RDP shrink? Not common , but happens from time to time, says Dr. Chamberland . #Magnotta .

christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 2m2 minutes ago
Des fois les psys doivent donner plus que dose maximale à un patient. Dr Chamberland à #Magnotta

Translation: Sometimes the shrinks have to give more than maximum dose to a patient. Dr. Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
20 juillet 2011: #Magnotta consulte la Dre David. Il n'arrive pas à prendre du poids et se plaint de fatigue/manque d'énergie.

Translation: July 20, 2011 :#Magnotta consults Dr. David. He can not gain weight and complains of tiredness / lack of energy.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
Or selon Dre David, #Magnotta voulait en fait du Restoril (temazepam). Elle a refusé. L'a référé à clinique du sommeil

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
Or selon Dre David, #Magnotta voulait en fait du Restoril (temazepam). Elle a refusé. L'a référé à clinique du sommeil

Translation: Or as Dr. David #Magnotta actually wanted the Restoril ( temazepam ) . She refused. The referred to a sleep clinic

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
La Dre David n'a "jamais soupçonné" une schizophrénie dans le cas de #Magnotta, dit Chamberland. Sur ce, pause du midi.

Translation: Dr. David has "never suspected" schizophrenia in the case of #Magnotta says Chamberland . With that lunch break

 

[Kamille]

Yeah, he was definitely on risperdal in 2005 because his doctor mentioned it in his letter to the court. But he was getting it injected at the time and started skipping the appointments.

So was he ever prescribed anything else? I'm not seeing it. What am I missing? What drug was he taking for his "schizophrenia" after the 2005 court decision?

 

[Rayemonde]

Risperdal is not a drug that you can abuse to get high, and it is not addictive. Maybe he just felt better on it -less anxious. Or maybe he just wanted to throw his weight around and cause a fuss by demanding it. Histrionics.

There's no.way he faked schizophrenia for all these years to get access to antipsychotics. They are not a drug that you can use recreationally. Temazepam won't get you high either AFAIK, but it is very very addictive. We have no idea how often LM was getting temazepam though - doctors usually won't prescribe it for more that a week or so because you get addicted to it really quickly.

Moo.

 

[Rayemonde]

Yeah, he's been on all sorts (though we don't know how compliant he was of course). The tweeters normally didn't bother to mention names of drugs or doses, but his doctors reports often mentioned his meds being adjusted.

 

[Kamille]

I can understand why he would have been ordered to receive his medication via injection considering his "suicide attempt" by taking a whole bottle of the drugs and then going to the hospital (still not clear whether someone took him there or he presented himself :waitasec: )

I know we're only getting the tweets but this whole case is based on the fact that he stopped taking his medication in 2010 because of "Manny" and the Scientology, even though he was preaching Scientology years earlier than this. And they do not believe in anti psychotic medication. If he was following Scientology, he would not be taking the drugs of his own volition IMO. Not to mention, if he was taking the medication in 2010, and "Manny" is a "voice" then how did he appear to tell him to stop? Which is why the two defense doctors are stepping lightly about the possibility that he's a real person. Because all his previous years of internet posting, including his Scientology beliefs years earlier, have been eliminated from this trial. So the jury does not get a full picture. It's all tricks and games. So unfair.

So where is the proof that he was actually taking anti psychotic medication faithfully from 2005 - 2010? Or at all? Has the Crown neglected to get this evidence, or lack of, entered?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Yeah, he's been on all sorts (though we don't know how compliant he was of course). The tweeters normally didn't bother to mention names of drugs or doses, but his doctors reports often mentioned his meds being adjusted.

Which reports? Any between the years of 2005 - 2010? Wasn't he pretty much using the clinic doctor during that time frame? Dr Tan? Did he talk about anti psychotics that he was prescribing?