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[txsvicki]

I don't know. My kids could sleep thru an earthquake (one did..LOL!) They wouldn't sleep thru getting stabbed though. I think it takes time for a body to react to injury. It would take more than a lung puncture to silence our voices. Patients can talk with a collapsed lung. So I am thinking that until the lungs fill up with enough fluid to labor breathing so much that speaking is too difficult, these kids would be making whatever sounds they could, starting with screams and losing volume as it worsened.

I wasn't exactly thinking of the lungs filling with fluid so much as the puncture in the lung. They have to be sealed or the air will just gurgle out the wound and I would think that the lungs would be needed to force the air up and out the vocal cords in order to make much of a sound at all. I'm sure not an expert though.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Darlie mentions the murder weapon. The operator tells her not to touch it. She says, too late, I already did. Then after the operator has moved on to something else, Darlie brings it back to the knife and says, O, no, I probably messed up the prints. But the real evidence of where her head was at is at the hospital. She told more than one nurse that she picked up the knife and what a pity that was because maybe they could have gotten prints if she hadn't. She was building witnesses in case she needed them.

I have forgotten now exactly why the murder weapon came up on the 911 call. Wasn't Darlie telling the first Police officer where it was?

Darlie reports that the she found the knife on the floor. The operator tells her don't touch anything, she says I already picked it up. She sounds very disturbed at doing this.

This is what distracts her and gets her to thinking hey there is going to be a police investigation. Her mind is definitely on that subject for awhile. This is classic denial symptoms. She cannot deal with the idea that her children are dead or even injured. Going to them, touching them makes it too real, it makes her see it and deal with it. She can't deal with it. The mind will offer a distraction to someone suffering like this.
She latches onto the idea of the police catching this person and that allows her to not deal with the boys. She starts to question why would someone do this, she looks around and nothing is missing. To her breaking in the house and not taking something is senseless. To us anyone breaking in and not taking something is senseless too. She is not worried about her fingerprints being on the knife in the hospital she is worried that she might have messed up a clue for the police. She feels very guilty about it, she doesn't know that much about crime investigation. This guilt, survivors guilt, is why IMO she doesn't remember completely the whole event. It is so terrble to her and she feels she failed the boys so much that her mind won't let her remember until she can deal with what she thinks makes her guilty. Like she said she knows deep down inside who did this, herself, Darin, maybe not "unknown" intruders.
She did see them or him/her.

I know how I acted after someone very close to me died and they were terminally ill, I had plenty of prep time. I couldn't deal with it so I dealt with all the related issues instead. Funeral plans, who sent flowers, recording every card and pie that came to the house. My mom said I was not myself and in another world. Looking back now I'd have to agree, I was in Denial.

 

[michelle]

I wouldnt be so worried about touching the knife if i was innocent, especially if my babies were just butchered i could care less. Darlie did seem preoccupied with the whol touching of the knife, she even thought to say we could have got their prints. Who thinks like that during something this horrible??

 

[justice2]

Do you remember why the operator brought it up? I am thinking Darlie pointed the knife out to the policeman who was in the house unbeknownst to the operator and then the operator said not to touch it. Or did the operator say not to touch anything and then Darlie bring it up? I am too lazy to go listen again.

Darlie brings up in knife when she has her "run of events" in the first part of the call. Then later, looks like when she was informing LE to go look out in the garage that she tells them they left and knife, at which the 911 operator tells her not to touch anything. And then later on she is told to let the police officer, tells him about the knife and make the statement about getting prints.

A transcript without audio is still at fordarlieroutier.org. Most days I can't listen to the 911 call.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

I wouldnt be so worried about touching the knife if i was innocent, especially if my babies were just butchered i could care less. Darlie did seem preoccupied with the whol touching of the knife, she even thought to say we could have got their prints. Who thinks like that during something this horrible??

Exactly what I SAID THE OPERATOR PUTS THE IDEA IN HER HEAD. This gave Darlie an appropriate distraction to her inability to deal with the fact that her babies were butchered, and she wasn't.
The pies, the flowers, the cards, all the stuff I used to keep my mind busy, she is using the idea of an investigation to keep her mind busy. She is looking at it for the first time this way and we can hear her trying to rationalize what just happened but she can't. When she looks around nothing is missing. Her babies are dead or dying and time is so slow in these sitituations she most likely felt like the ambulance did take forever.

I do have an idea that I think would exercise all of our sleuthing skills and brains. It comes from an exercise we used to do in journalism class.

Let us form teams. DP must agree to this and divide us up.

We must put forth a plausible scenario using the crime scene evidence, the information we can prove. 3 maybe 4 teams. One team must prove DARLIE DID IT ALONE. 2nd team-Darin and Darlie alone, 3rd team-Intruder or intruders. 4th team- a scenario never before though of like the jon benet poster or Darin and an intruder, etc.

The kicker here, cause my teacher was trying to show every person has a different view point and how we wrote about it would affect how our readers felt about it. Truth was subjective to the light we brought to it.

You can't be on the team you personally believe in. You are required to show the other side with as much passion and proof as you did when you wrote about the subject as you believed to be true.

We also played some head type riddle games before we divided up and it would be easy to do those here too. Is anybody game for this?

DP must agree first because she is the ruler here and she is going to have to control this. DP- I can pm you with any additional info you may want about what we did and what the rules were.

It did us all good as it made us investigate all angles and look deeper for truth.
We did win state awards for our newspaper and yearbook, competing against bigger city schools and newspapers - high school level.

It proved to the class that we only got the truth when we looked all the sides objectively. It was kinda fun too as I recall.

 

[easybz]

She was only 19 at the time, I think. It was at the house on Bond Street, that neighborhood. You can find it in Hush Little Babies by Don Davis.

I don't think it proves she was unbalanced mentally. LOL! She was just strutting her stuff like young girls do sometimes on a hot summer day. I don't think Darlie was a modest young woman but that doesn't make her crazy either.

Yep, you're right Goody. Just re-read that part last night about going to the neighborhood garage sale in a hot pink thong bikini; the same outfit she often was seen mowing the lawn in.

Ouch, talk about safety issues!

 

[michelle]

Yep, you're right Goody. Just re-read that part last night about going to the neighborhood garage sale in a hot pink thong bikini; the same outfit she often was seen mowing the lawn in.

Ouch, talk about safety issues!

LOL, Darlie was struttin her stuff huh?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Let us form teams. DP must agree to this and divide us up.

Darlin, I don't have time to play, but ya'll please go right ahead.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Technical terms for serrated edges do not mean the same to experts as it does to us in our kitchen. It is the way the knife blade is beveled down. Someone once explained this to me and i have forgotten who or where it was, but I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the serated edges as proof another knife existed. I think any knife with a beveled edge is considered to be serrated. You would have to check that out though because I can't remember enough details to help much. Sorry about that.

It also means a nick in the blade. It is a way of describing the tool mark. the knife was not a fully serrated blade like what is in your kitchen right now, the wounds would have scalloped edges if that were so. I imagine it was nicks and imperfections in the knife edge.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

I just wanted to say we must be about the same age! I read Fatal Vision for the first time in the 7th grade! I even did a book report on it. I used the diagram of the apartment for my poster! Nowadays, they'd send me to a shrink. I think we should move anymore actual analyzing of the case to one of the Mac boards. http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=7468328#post7468328
cami from here knows the Mac case inside and out.

You are 1 of the few posters that tries to tie the evidence into your theory. I can't do that with any of mine, It doesn't bother me if you blow my ship out of the water. Thats how we learn by making mistakes and relearning if our assumptions are true or false.

I did read the handwritten statements of Darlie and Darin and Darin has the handwriting of a serial killer. My hubby is more legible than that and he writes like a chicken scratching the ground.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Darlin, I don't have time to play, but ya'll please go right ahead.

It would take up a lot of DP's time so I guess the game is out. If you want though I can post one of the brain teasers.

Here goes, in order to play each person must post 1 answer only. Do not explain how you derived your answer just post the answer you think is correct.




An airplane crashes on the border of Canada and the US. 150 people are on board. The plane is destroyed in the fire as well as the luggage of the passengers. All airline paperwork that indentifies who the passengers are is also destroyed. Where do you bury the survivors.

 

[feenix]

It would take up a lot of DP's time so I guess the game is out. If you want though I can post one of the brain teasers.

Here goes, in order to play each person must post 1 answer only. Do not explain how you derived your answer just post the number you think is correct.

An airplane crashes on the border of Canada and the US. The plane is destroyed in the fire as well as the luggage of the passengers. Where do you bury the survivors.

Survivors wouldn't get buried................ they are still alive!

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Survivors wouldn't get buried................ they are still alive!

I asked for an answer not an explanation.
Most people don't read information thoroughly and make assumptions......
The exercise was supposed to make people read completely.

You got it right but you fail the reading part as the instuctions clearly stated an answer did not require an explanation.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think we need to take the games to the jury room or the parking lot.

 

[feenix]

I asked for an answer not an explanation.
Most people don't read information thoroughly and make assumptions......
The exercise was supposed to make people read completely.

You got it right but you fail the reading part as the instuctions clearly stated an answer did not require an explanation.

Don't get 'rattled' Jane, it's only a game........... :blowkiss:

Ok, I failed the reading part of your brainteaser, I'll look forward to seeing more in the Jury Room or Parking Lot.

 

[beesy]

Darlin, I don't have time to play, but ya'll please go right ahead.

I pass too

 

[beesy]

You are 1 of the few posters that tries to tie the evidence into your theory. I can't do that with any of mine, It doesn't bother me if you blow my ship out of the water. Thats how we learn by making mistakes and relearning if our assumptions are true or false

Is this a compliment? My quote is "stop blowing holes in my ship".

I did read the handwritten statements of Darlie and Darin and Darin has the handwriting of a serial killer. My hubby is more legible than that and he writes like a chicken scratching the ground.

I don't understand where you are going with this. Do you have expertise is this area?

 

[michelle]

darin has the handwriting of a serial killer?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

darin has the handwriting of a serial killer?

I do too, so don't read anything into that!

 

[beesy]

Here is a question maybe the more informed members can answer for me.

When you look at most of the pictures, Darlie is dressed up, hair done, makeup done and when asked to describe her people say tacky, showy, tight clothes, you get the idea.

But in the transcripts some of the witnesses, such as the pawn shop lady describe her as always being sort of grungy, almost. Sweats or shorts, big tee shirts, no undergarments, no makeup, unkempt hair. What do you think the deal with that is?

Usually you are one way or the other -can't go out without your makeup on or really don't care. Me, I'm the latter!!

Most of the pictures we are referring to were not taken in the few months before the murders. Like others said, her sloppy appearance points to depression. Notice her black roots in the SS interview. Those roots didn't get that long(about 1"), in just a few days. She hadn't had her hair done in quite awile. She did have a perfect manicure which was new. Maybe she wasn't as depressed as before?