MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[MsFacetious]

The short answer is yes with an asterisk. If there was a large stain on the rug from body fluids post mortem and she had been dead there awhile.. and the rug remained there.. then especially with humidity etc you would get a whiff every now and again. My guess is going to be she didnt remain on the floor or rug very long.. body fluids seep out and (sadly) i have seen where the fluids seeped thru the kitchen floor and down into the basement ceiling below. That person had been dead several days in the August heat. When a dead body remains in a home etc.. after a few days you often see a lot of flies up against the windows.. This makes me think that Bella had to have been refrigerated or frozen otherwise the flies would be around.. the fluids would be draining and the stench would be very noticeable.. even in the surrounding apartments. JMO

My Uncle died in June in his townhouse (100 degrees outside and no A/C inside.)
He was dead for several days before he was discovered.
After arriving in the DRIVEWAY and being overwhelmed by the smell...
My first question was "why didn't the neighbors complain?"

Apparently they smelled nothing. Everything had to be thrown out.
You could smell it driving by with the dumpster outside.
Yet the neighbors didn't notice... I've never quite understood that. :dunno:

My Aunt died the same day but was found immediately.
Her apartment was much easier to clean out.
I am pretty anal about checking up on people now.
I don't ever want to do that again. :twocents:

 

[Amonet]

So, assuming MM killed Bella, then RB walked in. RB tries to resuscitate Bella, to no avail. Then they turn to each other and have to decide what to do next.

They already decided not to call 911.

Should they get rid of the body?

For some reason they decided, "not right now, we'll keep the body in the fridge" (for an unknown length of time).

What was the reason for the delay? Did MM have to borrow a car? Was his car in the garage getting serviced? Why empty out the fridge, remove the drawer or shelf in the fridge to fit the body in....it seems a lot to go through if you could just go straight away to get rid of the body, and if the murder occurred at nearly midnight there's no reason (that we know of) that they couldn't go out right away.

The other question (rhetorical) is whether or not one of them searched for what to do with a dead body (answer: keep it refrigerated). So this query could be on one of their internet devices.

 

[Bootsctr]

My Uncle died in June in his townhouse (100 degrees outside and no A/C inside.)
He was dead for several days before he was discovered.
After arriving in the DRIVEWAY and being overwhelmed by the smell...
My first question was "why didn't the neighbors complain?"

Apparently they smelled nothing. Everything had to be thrown out.
You could smell it driving by with the dumpster outside.
Yet the neighbors didn't notice... I've never quite understood that. :dunno:

My Aunt died the same day but was found immediately.
Her apartment was much easier to clean out.
I am pretty anal about checking up on people now.
I don't ever want to do that again. :twocents:

Hmmmmmmm... Yes, that's a mystery. Maybe if the smell comes on gradually people just become accustomed to it and think it is garbage. I just keep thinking the neighbors would be thinking McCarthy and RB had something dead in the apartment or maybe they thought it was the garbage. Maybe people who have smelled it and know what it is never forget, but people who don't know what they are smelling attribute it to just food garbage or rotten meat or a dead animal. I don't know either.

 

[BUF]

So, assuming MM killed Bella, then RB walked in. RB tries to resuscitate Bella, to no avail. Then they turn to each other and have to decide what to do next.

They already decided not to call 911.

Should they get rid of the body?

For some reason they decided, "not right now, we'll keep the body in the fridge" (for an unknown length of time).

What was the reason for the delay? Did MM have to borrow a car? Was his car in the garage getting serviced? Why empty out the fridge, remove the drawer or shelf in the fridge to fit the body in....it seems a lot to go through if you could just go straight away to get rid of the body, and if the murder occurred at nearly midnight there's no reason (that we know of) that they couldn't go out right away.

The other question (rhetorical) is whether or not one of them searched for what to do with a dead body (answer: keep it refrigerated). So this query could be on one of their internet devices.

Yes, it could be a possibility, or they could have been just too far gone on heroin to do anything at the time.

 

[Bootsctr]

Yes, it could be a possibility, or they could have been just too far gone on heroin to do anything at the time.

That's what I think too. Too much of "chasing the dragon" to think clearly or plan how to dispose of the body. I think MM has a car. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Will look for a link. Not saying that his car was in the shop - and if it was that it could be part of the delay.

I keep wondering of they didn't cram her little body in the upper freezer portion of the refrigerator. And if there was an odor, that they were just too out of it to notice the odor... Or maybe the odor was finally the reason Bella was dumped in the water. It hurts my head to try to think like RB and MM. Almost an impossibility - thank gawd!

 

[Amonet]

That's what I think too. Too much of "chasing the dragon" to think clearly or plan how to dispose of the body. I think MM has a car. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Will look for a link. Not saying that his car was in the shop - and if it was that it could be part of the delay.

I keep wondering of they didn't cram her little body in the upper freezer portion of the refrigerator. And if there was an odor, that they were just too out of it to notice the odor... Or maybe the odor was finally the reason Bella was dumped in the water. It hurts my head to try to think like RB and MM. Almost an impossibility - thank gawd!

I thought of the drugs, too, but it would take thought, planning, and physical effort to make the decision of the body in the fridge and then make it happen. It doesn't seem like it would be that much less effort than getting rid of the body straight away.

Even if their reasons don't make sense to us, I think they should make sense to them, and I think this is another inconsistency that needs an explanation of some sort. And the explanation for the inconsistencies might well point to when it happened and exactly who was involved and to what degree.

 

[jjenny]

I thought of the drugs, too, but it would take thought, planning, and physical effort to make the decision of the body in the fridge and then make it happen. It doesn't seem like it would be that much less effort than getting rid of the body straight away.

Even if their reasons don't make sense to us, I think they should make sense to them, and I think this is another inconsistency that needs an explanation of some sort. And the explanation for the inconsistencies might well point to when it happened and exactly who was involved and to what degree.

When people are high on drug, they do things that make sense to anybody. Even if it makes sense to them, we will never understand it.

 

[Bootsctr]

I thought of the drugs, too, but it would take thought, planning, and physical effort to make the decision of the body in the fridge and then make it happen. It doesn't seem like it would be that much less effort than getting rid of the body straight away.

Even if their reasons don't make sense to us, I think they should make sense to them, and I think this is another inconsistency that needs an explanation of some sort. And the explanation for the inconsistencies might well point to when it happened and exactly who was involved and to what degree.

Excellent point! I tend to believe during the time that Bella's body was in the refrigerator that MM's lifelong friend and his sister continued to come to RB's apartment, if not more people. That should help prosecutors fill in some of the blanks and questions we all have HOPEFULLY!

 

[Bootsctr]

When people are high on drug, they do things that make sense to anybody. Even if it makes sense to them, we will never understand it.

What about someone like Casey Anthony? I never thought she was heavy into drugs. Was she just narcissistic and all about herself?

 

[BUF]

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I thought of the drugs, too, but it would take thought, planning, and physical effort to make the decision of the body in the fridge and then make it happen. It doesn't seem like it would be that much less effort than getting rid of the body straight away.

Even if their reasons don't make sense to us, I think they should make sense to them, and I think this is another inconsistency that needs an explanation of some sort. And the explanation for the inconsistencies might well point to when it happened and exactly who was involved and to what degree.

I think it would take much more effort. They would have to get in a car & drive. Could be problematic for people drugged out.

 

[heartgoesout]

Just pointing out that we have no information of fact that JA would not submit to a paternity test.

 

[heartgoesout]

I really believe that RB killed Bella around Easter. She may have even set up MM and said can you go check on her knowing full well Bella was already dead.

 

[Mollyandme]

What about someone like Casey Anthony? I never thought she was heavy into drugs. Was she just narcissistic and all about herself?

She's definitely a narcissist and much more (Trying to keep it brief bc this is about Bella) but I am not sure if anything other than drinking and the insinuations of xanax bc of the "zanny the nanny" story were ever discussed.

In regards to this case, I think RB is an angry and vindictive narcissist, with an antisocial personality disorder and is a manipulative bully. Combine that with her long history of substance abuse and the outcome is disastrous.

On a side note, I know that RB stated she had been diagnosed with a mood disorder, and I know how common it is to self medicate with drugs and/or alcohol, I think many of us posting and reading here have experience with a friend or family member where self medicating was their way of dealing with an underlying mental illness, physical pain, or traumatic event that could have been effectively treated by a doctor and/or therapist. I am interested in learning more about RB's childhood and when the mood disorder was diagnosed or substance abuse started, and which started first bc drug use can be the impetus for psychiatric issues as well. Either way, I think she is what the typical observer would call evil although I believe the technical term would be psychopath or sociopath which from my understanding fall under Antisocial personality disorder. IMO, based on what we know about RB as of now from LE, the DA, and family members, friends, aquaintences and neighbors, RB has a much darker psychological makeup than her current self reporting of a mood disorder and severe drug addiction. I want to say shes just a "bad seed" but then I look at my kids and wonder how anyone could be born evil, but in RB's case there's definitely something extremely sinister about her based on the information we currently have. I have to say, seeing her in court and watching her demeanor was deeply disturbing.

 

[Sonya610]

What about someone like Casey Anthony? I never thought she was heavy into drugs. Was she just narcissistic and all about herself?

I didn't follow the CA case as closely as others but IMO CA was very different in many ways.

CA never wanted to be a mother, in fact she made it clear she wanted to give the baby up for adoption when she was pregnant yet the CA's mother forced her to keep the baby in an attempt to "teach a sociopath about caring and responsibility".

CA didn't strike me as a mean spirited sociopath that took pleasure in the suffering of others, she just wanted to party and have a good time with no restrictions. If she hadn't been forced to keep the baby there is a good chance she would have lived out her life with no major incidents.

I am not sure that RB is truly evil either, though she could be. She didn't tie up Bella in the basement and starve/beat the girl to death. RB wanted to be a good mother she was just way too messed up/unstable.

 

[Bootsctr]

She's definitely a narcissist and much more (Trying to keep it brief bc this is about Bella) but I am not sure if anything other than drinking and the insinuations of xanax bc of the "zanny the nanny" story were ever discussed.

In regards to this case, I think RB is an angry and vindictive narcissist, with an antisocial personality disorder and is a manipulative bully. Combine that with her long history of substance abuse and the outcome is disastrous.

On a side note, I know that RB stated she had been diagnosed with a mood disorder, and I know how common it is to self medicate with drugs and/or alcohol, I think many of us posting and reading here have experience with a friend or family member where self medicating was their way of dealing with an underlying mental illness, physical pain, or traumatic event that could have been effectively treated by a doctor and/or therapist. I am interested in learning more about RB's childhood and when the mood disorder was diagnosed or substance abuse started, and which started first bc drug use can be the impetus for psychiatric issues as well. Either way, I think she is what the typical observer would call evil although I believe the technical term would be psychopath or sociopath which from my understanding fall under Antisocial personality disorder. IMO, based on what we know about RB as of now from LE, the DA, and family members, friends, aquaintences and neighbors, RB has a much darker psychological makeup than her current self reporting of a mood disorder and severe drug addiction. I want to say shes just a "bad seed" but then I look at my kids and wonder how anyone could be born evil, but in RB's case there's definitely something extremely sinister about her based on the information we currently have. I have to say, seeing her in court and watching her demeanor was deeply disturbing.

Self-medicating, yes! Sometimes the meds the doctors try out have worse side effects than a cure. Depression, mood disorder (how very vague - family member diagnosed with that - suicide by ------), bipolar (family member diagnosed with that committed suicide), sometimes it's all too much. We don't know too much about Rachelle's childhood other than her mother was also abusive. Maybe she's a product of her environment. The heroin masks the pain for a bit, but the pain is always there.

 

[Bootsctr]

I didn't follow the CA case as closely as others but IMO CA was very different in many ways.

CA never wanted to be a mother, in fact she made it clear she wanted to give the baby up for adoption when she was pregnant yet the CA's mother forced her to keep the baby in an attempt to "teach a sociopath about caring and responsibility".

CA didn't strike me as a mean spirited sociopath that took pleasure in the suffering of others, she just wanted to party and have a good time with no restrictions. If she hadn't been forced to keep the baby there is a good chance she would have lived out her life with no major incidents.

I am not sure that RB is truly evil either, though she could be. She didn't tie up Bella in the basement and starve/beat the girl to death. RB wanted to be a good mother she was just way too messed up/unstable.

Thank you Sonya! We all have a choice, evil or good, sometimes people choose the evil. RB is the perfect example of making a choice of being evil.

 

[Only4Justice]

So, assuming MM killed Bella, then RB walked in. RB tries to resuscitate Bella, to no avail. Then they turn to each other and have to decide what to do next.

They already decided not to call 911.

Should they get rid of the body?

For some reason they decided, "not right now, we'll keep the body in the fridge" (for an unknown length of time).

What was the reason for the delay? Did MM have to borrow a car? Was his car in the garage getting serviced? Why empty out the fridge, remove the drawer or shelf in the fridge to fit the body in....it seems a lot to go through if you could just go straight away to get rid of the body, and if the murder occurred at nearly midnight there's no reason (that we know of) that they couldn't go out right away.

The other question (rhetorical) is whether or not one of them searched for what to do with a dead body (answer: keep it refrigerated). So this query could be on one of their internet devices.

AND they were too high to think straight.


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[Bootsctr]

How cold is a morgue?

There are two types of mortuary cold chambers:
Positive temperature
Bodies are kept between 2 °C (36 °F) and 4 °C (39 °F). While this is usually used for keeping bodies for up to several weeks, it does not prevent decomposition, which continues at a slower rate than at room temperature.[2]

Negative temperature
Bodies are kept at between −10 °C (14 °F) and −50 °C (−58 °F). Usually used at forensic institutes, particularly when a body has not been identified. At these temperatures the body is completely frozen and decomposition is very much reduced.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgue

 

[BUF]

I wonder if there is a witness who saw RB or MM (or both) carrying that duffle bag downstairs or in the parking lot getting into a vehicle. I question if they would even come forward if someone did.

 

[Amonet]

AND they were too high to think straight.

The fridge option isn't that simple, though. It involves thinking that they're going to need to refrigerate the body. Then they have to empty out the fridge, maybe wondering what they're going to use to keep things cool in the meantime.

Then, they apparently got high for 3 days or something? It almost sounds like an attitude of , "now the job's done we can chill out" rather than "omg! what have we done, now we have a body to worry about!"

Maybe only a junkie could understand?

ETA, it could make sense to me if Rachelle acted alone and had planned it in advance. Then it would feel like "now the job's done and I need to get out of my head for a while before I actually dump the body". This feels like it might be consistent with the scenario I suggested earlier, that Rachelle did it alone and on purpose. Sorry to harp on that, I am completely open to all angles, I'm just trying to explore all the angles in my mind.