GUILTY MA - Colleen Ritzer, 24, brutally murdered, Danvers, 22 Oct 2013 #1

[LinasK]

Yes I agree. The Spanish speaking cleaner probably felt terrible later on. He did try to communicate his concerns and was misunderstood.

Not strongly enough.:notgood::snooty: He should have kept insisting that he come see.

 

[LinasK]

no chance, the defense admitted on opening that he raped and killed her, which makes it very confusing why they are challenging some of the prosecution witnesses at all.

Obviously the evidence (blood) collection was faulty because of the janitorial cleanup, but that doesn't negate her murder or Chism's confession to it. It wasn't even that Chism tried to clean up his crime scene.

 

[LinasK]

Just jumping off your post ...

I don't get the feeling at all that he tried to hide his crime. His initial caution (the gloves and the hood) seems to have mostly evaporated once he had killed her. I guess his emotions took over - he seems driven to me, as if all he then wanted was to stage her in that particular way to fulfill whatever pathological need drove him to do that. He didn't avoid the cameras.

He also immediately confessed when asked who's blood it was on the box cutter.

I wonder if he was even aware of the cameras?? You'd think so because of the hoodie, but he sure didn't try very hard to hide his crime once he succeeded in committing it. He was sloppy.

 

[LinasK]

I've never heard that detail either. Interesting that the question was asked and an immediate sidebar was held. This could be part of the defense insanity defense, Chism was psychotic and thought he had been to China? We'll have to wait to find out what that question is about.

Maybe that's why he felt insulted, that he could know how to write in Chinese without having visited the country??? Who knows what trivial excuse it took to set him off. I'm confused though why the teacher asked these students to stay after if she wasn't actually helping them with math? Detention? To get to know them better???

 

[LinasK]

The crime scene cleanup witness said they put bloody leaves in a bio bag, then raked other leaves over the location to return the scene to it's original state.

Okay, so you remove the things you can that are bloody like leaves and sticks. I never would have thought of that- to me it's like vacuuming up dirt, you just leave nature alone... What about the blood on the trees?

 

[atthelake]

Yeah, but obviously Pimental didn't convey it strongly enough how much blood there was. He just accepted the hose and key instead of trying to urge the supervisor to come see.

In the past a blast from the past..MBA case that I studied years ago.

Years ago they investigated some airplane crashes.. And they found the crashes perhaps were due to the Junior person not having the clout to disrespect a senior person and what they thought . It was a sign of disrespect to question ..it was not within their culture to question authority.

Sorry.. but I have an inkling this might have contributed. Thank goodness for all the cameras!

 

[Skigirl]

Some folks mailboxes are full

Some people cleared out a few msgs recently, I think!

 

[Elainera]

Maybe that's why he felt insulted, that he could know how to write in Chinese without having visited the country??? Who knows what trivial excuse it took to set him off. I'm confused though why the teacher asked these students to stay after if she wasn't actually helping them with math? Detention? To get to know them better???

As the girl described it I got the feeling Colleen was trying to get PC to come out of his shell a little bit. She probably sensed that he was troubled and tried to help. Bless her soul.

 

[Elainera]

Is PC gonna be questioned in court?

 

[AnaTeresa]

Is PC gonna be questioned in court?

From a defense perspective, it's risky. I doubt it, but perhaps his attorneys will to try and make a better pitch for the insanity defense. However, in my experience, you would usually only put a defendant on the stand if you knew the prosecutor didn't have any "gotcha" topics that hadn't already been covered, and you felt comfortable that the defendant would keep his cool on the stand. Chism is too much of a loose cannon. That said, it ultimately is the defendant's choice whether or not to testify, and it's difficult to predict what Chism will decide to do. :twocents:

 

[Skigirl]

As the girl described it I got the feeling Colleen was trying to get PC to come out of his shell a little bit. She probably sensed that he was troubled and tried to help. Bless her soul.

Yes, I agree. I think she asked him to stay after class because of his behavior during class that day, listening to music in class and not stopping when he was asked, and not because he needed academic help with math. For someone who behaved so rudely in class, it sounds like she was very gentle with him and took it as a sign that he was unhappy at his new school rather than taking it personally and getting angry. I wish I could say I would have been so understanding when I was a professor.

The other student wasn't in Ritzer's class and just liked her. I think that CR used to stay after for a certain period of time each day (or on certain days) during which students were welcome to drop in, and so that student and maybe others would come by for a chat even if they didn't need homework help if she wasn't actually working with someone, sort of like keeping office hours.

 

[Elainera]

She was such a good person!

 

[Skigirl]

In the past a blast from the past..MBA case that I studied years ago.

Years ago they investigated some airplane crashes.. And they found the crashes perhaps were due to the Junior person not having the clout to disrespect a senior person and what they thought . It was a sign of disrespect to question ..it was not within their culture to question authority.

Sorry.. but I have an inkling this might have contributed. Thank goodness for all the cameras!

Yes, I agree. I think the social demands of the situation are such that if you are a cleaner, maybe a recent immigrant and someone who doesn't speak English very well, and lower in the organizational hierarchy, you try to convey what's going on, and if the person on the other end doesn't understand or puts you off, it's very hard to be more forceful. Frankly, I'm an executive and don't have the added handicap of not speaking the same language and it's very hard for me to be more forceful with the CEO when I don't agree with something or don't think I've been quite understood, even though we have a good relationship.

 

[AnaTeresa]

She was such a good person!

She really was. I can't help but think of all the good she could have accomplished that was cut short.

 

[jacct]

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 [video=twitter;667700912836771840]https://twitter.com/Bward3/status/667700912836771840[/video]

No livestream again today, here's the twitter link: https://twitter.com/hashtag/philipchism?f=tweets&vertical=default

 

[jacct]

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 2m2 minutes ago
#PhilipChism is already in courtroom. He's in khakis and a dark blue sweater today and is seated at defense table next to atty John Osler

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 40s41 seconds ago
Jury is in courtroom

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 24s25 seconds ago
Chism and Ritzer families both in court, sitting as they have all week on separate sides of courtroom

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 51s51 seconds ago
Danvers High principal and asst principal both in court again.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 39s39 seconds ago
A #Danvers High student who was in the classroom with Colleen Ritzer and #PhilipChism is back on the stand for cross examination.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 54s54 seconds ago
Defense atty Denise Regan on cross. Asking her about being in Ritzer room with #PhilipChism on day of murder

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 39s39 seconds ago
The defense lawyer asks if she recalls #PhilipChism telling her he'd visited China as a child. She doesn't so Regan shows her statement.

 

[jacct]

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 54s55 seconds ago
Student telling jury #PhilipChism became agitated when Colleen Ritzer asked about Tennessee. Says Chism seemed to talk to himself.

Christina Hager ‏@HagerWBZ 1m1 minute ago
Philip Chism has his head bowed as former schoolmate testifies. "He seemed to be really upset...mad..." before Colleen Ritzer's murder.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Ciani: Also said Chism would look away during the conversation.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Ciani: I always thought he was quiet person who didn't like to talk much.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Regan: This was first time you saw him turning and mumbling, moving his lips. Ciani; Yes.

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 2m2 minutes ago
Student tells jurors she'd never seen #PhilipChism as angry as during his conversation with Colleen Ritzer about Tennessee.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 49s50 seconds ago
On redirect girl says that when they were alone "He seemed fine."

 

[Elainera]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 39s39 seconds ago
The defense lawyer asks if she recalls #PhilipChism telling her he'd visited China as a child. She doesn't so Regan shows her statement.

bbm - what does that mean? Which statement and to whom does she show it? Did the girl contradict herself or what is shown here by defence?

 

[jacct]

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 1m1 minute ago
The next witness is a soccer teammate of #PhilipChism

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 53s53 seconds ago
Waiting for next witness. #PhilipChism mom complains to court officer about seating of media in same row as her. Reporter asked to move

Laura Crimaldi ‏@lauracrimaldi 45s46 seconds ago
Judge David Lowy calls #PhilipChism jury "the best-dressed" he's ever had in his 18 years on the bench.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Autumn is done. Judge says Dec. 2 will be the view of school and woods. He counsels them to dress more casually.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Next witness, Ramci Escorcia, a DHS student is speaking thru interpreter. Played soccer with Chism.

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 45s45 seconds ago
Escorcia knew #PhilipChism through soccer. Chism has not looked up at his former classmate.

allison manningVerified account ‏@allymanning 1m1 minute ago
Ramci says he wasn't a great soccer player. But #PhilipChism, "He was good."

Rupa Shenoy ‏@RupaShenoy 33s34 seconds ago Salem, MA
#PhilipChism soccer teammate Ramci Escorcia says Chism's nickname was "Caco" because "he used to say that word." It's Portuguese.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Escorcia: Soccer practice started at 4P. School was finished at 2P.

Jill Harmacinski ‏@EagleTribJill 1m1 minute ago
#PhilipChism and Escorcia would practice together two days per week of they didn't have game. Went to field together

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 56s57 seconds ago
Escorcia: Saw #PhilipChism on day of murder in the morning, on the 2nd floor of DHS. In math class.

 

[atthelake]

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 54s55 seconds ago
Student telling jury #PhilipChism became agitated when Colleen Ritzer asked about Tennessee. Says Chism seemed to talk to himself.

Christina Hager ‏@HagerWBZ 1m1 minute ago
Philip Chism has his head bowed as former schoolmate testifies. "He seemed to be really upset...mad..." before Colleen Ritzer's murder.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Ciani: Also said Chism would look away during the conversation.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 2m2 minutes ago
Ciani: I always thought he was quiet person who didn't like to talk much.

Bob Ward Fox25Verified account ‏@Bward3 1m1 minute ago
Regan: This was first time you saw him turning and mumbling, moving his lips. Ciani; Yes.

Victoria WarrenVerified account ‏@vwarrenon7 2m2 minutes ago
Student tells jurors she'd never seen #PhilipChism as angry as during his conversation with Colleen Ritzer about Tennessee.

Julie Manganis ‏@SNJulieManganis 49s50 seconds ago
On redirect girl says that when they were alone "He seemed fine."

I wonder if something happened with him at his previous school in Tennessee..and that is sealed and will not be made public because he's a minor and that information would be protected by the school system?