MA - Four children found hidden in apartment with alcohol, drugs, sex toys & corpse - Boston - June 21 2023

[Ontario Mom]

but then I circle back to why are firefighters asking if children are present in the apartment and what does that have to do with the purpose of their visit, which is rendering aid?

As more comes out here is what I think happened. I think responders arrived at a filthy unsanitary apartment in the projects. They find a bio male in female garb in distress, a bunch of other adult males who may or may not also be in female garb. They see children's toys, clothing, or other items indicating children might be present or reside there or they hear crying. They report concerns about the squalid, possibly overcrowded condition of the apartment.

The rest of the more salacious stuff is simply from people who were not there, have extrapolated what they want to believe about the scene that day and here we are left to try to parse out the truth of what happened from the baloney told by people who weren't there and whose motivations may simply be to be on the six o'clock news.

Seeing kids toys or clothes is a good reason for them to ask if there are kids in the home, for sure. Even more so if they thought they could hear kids crying.

As for your last paragraph as to the "more salacious stuff" who are these people that you suggest were not there and just made stuff up who might be motivated to get on the news?

 

[wdmcmahan]

I don’t have time to do this right now, since I’m unfamiliar with how that state keeps their court documents online, but has anyone been able to view the Probable Cause Affidavit regarding the removal of the children? I reckon that document would answer a lot of our questions.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think there were a number of reasons why the BFD reported the incident to the state for investigation.

All mandated reporters need to do this if they suspect possible abuse or neglect.

Well, let's see here, we have first responders arriving, besides being very unsanitary, sex toys and drug related items lying around the apartment, a dead person on the floor, a cry for help heard and consequentially children found being hidden in the backroom after men in the apartment claiming that children were not in the apartment......................If Child Services were not called, then people have a lot to explain. If you think of all of the child abuse cases we all have followed, there is more evidence here to call child services than a lot of the cases. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I disagree. The system is working. This "tour" by some councilors and a congressman is grandstanding. In the case of the councilors, IMO, it is an effort to deflect criticism for their role in creating a firestorm in the media to benefit an agenda. Prolonging the media circus is unhelpful to the children.

It seems clear to me that DCYF and Boston Police are very much working as they should--in the best interest of the children. It is an active investigation. The public is not privy to details until/unless criminal charges are laid.

While we at WS stick to approved MSM sources, I can tell you that in local sources and social media this untimely death on a Saturday morning is being described as an orgy of transsexual sex predators and worse. The reporting from the Herald played to the confirmation bias that LGBTQ+ people are groomers.

BBM. I applaud the Congressman for wanting to get to the bottom of what really happened in this case. Public housing needs to be a safe space for everyone. Will people who already feel marginalized, fear calling 9-1-1 for help now that they know their address, gender, and false and extremely salacious accusations might be the result? That would be a horrible outcome.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t have time to do this right now, since I’m unfamiliar with how that state keeps their court documents online, but has anyone been able to view the Probable Cause Affidavit regarding the removal of the children? I reckon that document would answer a lot of our questions.

I think the Court will do everything to protect their privacy.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

but then I circle back to why are firefighters asking if children are present in the apartment and what does that have to do with the purpose of their visit, which is rendering aid?

As more comes out here is what I think happened. I think responders arrived at a filthy unsanitary apartment in the projects. They find a bio male in female garb in distress, a bunch of other adult males who may or may not also be in female garb. They see children's toys, clothing, or other items indicating children might be present or reside there or they hear crying. They report concerns about the squalid, possibly overcrowded condition of the apartment.

The rest of the more salacious stuff is simply from people who were not there, have extrapolated what they want to believe about the scene that day and here we are left to try to parse out the truth of what happened from the baloney told by people who weren't there and whose motivations may simply be to be on the six o'clock news.

BBM. Isn't being on the 6 o'clock news always the goal of politicians, especially if they are coming up for reelection?

iirc, one of them said she wanted to hold a public hearing about it later this summer. Hopefully by then the situation is sorted out and their privacy will be protected.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Do we even know as a fact that 4 children were taken into custody?

All accounts agree that 4 children were present in the unit and that children are now in DCYF custody. Initial accounts referred to 4 boys, IIRC. The apartment occupant, a mother of two girls who were there, has given interviews stating her two daughters are in DCYF custody. It is entirely possible, and indeed probable, that the other two children went home with their parent that day.

Going by the lack of verified facts or public documentation, we don't really know who that woman that gave the interview was and if she even lives in the flat, etc.

JMO MOO

 

[wdmcmahan]

I think the Court will do everything to protect their privacy.

JMO

The court will protect the children’s privacy, not the adults. The probable cause affidavit will not be private.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

The court will protect the children’s privacy, not the adults. The probable cause affidavit will not be private.

If that woman who gave the interview was a parent of two of the children, then their anonymity just went out the window

 

[Stunned]

I disagree. The system is working. This "tour" by some councilors and a congressman is grandstanding. In the case of the councilors, IMO, it is an effort to deflect criticism for their role in creating a firestorm in the media to benefit an agenda. Prolonging the media circus is unhelpful to the children.

It seems clear to me that DCYF and Boston Police are very much working as they should--in the best interest of the children. It is an active investigation. The public is not privy to details until/unless criminal charges are laid.

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Thank you. I agree, this IMO is for political purposes and nothing more. IMO

 

[wdmcmahan]

If that woman who gave the interview was a parent of two of the children, then their anonymity just went out the window

Unfortunately, yes. Honestly, there’s never anonymity if someone looks hard enough and follows the trail of public information. The one thing that stays private is the placement of the children. Foster parents/ kinship placement and their location are never put in court documents, so the children’s location will remain unknown

 

[MyBelle]

The court will protect the children’s privacy, not the adults. The probable cause affidavit will not be private.

The court will also protect the privacy of the parent, who often has the same last name as the child.

JMO

 

[Lauri_]

ppl should realize by now ...<modsnip>.. many cases go unheard off
but ppl can make a noise if they wanted .. but you hear.. no one wants to talk about it ..hush hush

So sad. This has become a world where no one can trust any of the MSM. Why do they not cover things like this? Children's safety and well being should be top news.

 

[Keane]

Either Rep. Lynch got confused about what certain words mean or Fox25 did.

“There was some drug paraphilia and also some questionable circumstances,” said Lynch.

Paraphilia refers to abnormal sexual behavior.
Paraphernalia refers to specific items related to a particular activity.

 

[tlcya]

Seeing kids toys or clothes is a good reason for them to ask if there are kids in the home, for sure. Even more so if they thought they could hear kids crying.

As for your last paragraph as to the "more salacious stuff" who are these people that you suggest were not there and just made stuff up who might be motivated to get on the news?

Multiple Boston Councilors who were most vocal in the initial articles.

City Councilor Erin Murphy
At-Large City Councilor Michael Flaherty
Council President Ed Flynn
and the Boston Herald, who ran with the most horrific headlines they could imagine

Just to name a few

 

[Ontario Mom]

Multiple Boston Councilors who were most vocal in the initial articles.

City Councilor Erin Murphy
At-Large City Councilor Michael Flaherty
Council President Ed Flynn
and the Boston Herald, who ran with the most horrific headlines they could imagine

Just to name a few

So you actually think these people just made it up that there were drugs, booze and sex toys sitting around in the apartment? I mean, those are seriously warped accusations if they really did that. Especially if none of it's true. Maybe I have too much faith in people but I have a hard time accepting Boston city councilors would just make crap up out of thin air like that. If they did, every last one of them ought to be sued into the next century.

jmo

 

[Keane]

I think it was a case of 'telephone'... "well I heard" "I think I saw"
And the Councilors and Herald embellished.

Again, shame on them. The focus has become a fight amongst the departments, the union, and the councilors.
IMO the focus should be first on the kids and on the loved ones of the deceased. A larger issue is the living conditions at the McCormack and other projects in Boston.

ETA: I live in Boston and have since 1998.

 

[tlcya]

So you actually think these people just made it up that there were drugs, booze and sex toys sitting around in the apartment? I mean, those are seriously warped accusations if they really did that. Especially if none of it's true. Maybe I have too much faith in people but I have a hard time accepting Boston city councilors would just make crap up out of thin air like that. If they did, every last one of them ought to be sued into the next century.

jmo

I believe they made it up or took gossip from the uniformed and ran with it, yes I do.

As to your last sentence I totally agree

 

[Ontario Mom]

I believe they made it up or took gossip from the uniformed and ran with it, yes I do.

As to your last sentence I totally agree

Wow. Well, if it was all made up, I seriously do hope someone sues the living snot out of all of them.

On the other hand, if it was NOT made up, I don't even know how we'll ever know for sure. Pics or video from Boston EMS or Boston Fire, first on the scene before Boston PD. Or, maybe in the written report for DCF, those things are mentioned? I mean, the kids WERE taken and I don't see why they would be unless they were actually in some sort of unhealthy setting.

It'd be nice if the folks from Boston EMS put out a statement or something to clear this up, but I can certainly see why they may not want to.

 

[wdmcmahan]

I think it was a case of 'telephone'... "well I heard" "I think I saw"
And the Councilors and Herald embellished.

Again, shame on them. The focus has become a fight amongst the departments, the union, and the councilors.
IMO the focus should be first on the kids and on the loved ones of the deceased. A larger issue is the living conditions at the McCormack and other projects in Boston.

ETA: I live in Boston and have since 1998.

Can you expand on what the living conditions are like at the McCormack complex?