MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #11

[Trailbum74]

Right, he def would have the force and JO'K would have probably have been already been taken by surprise by then, no way to avoid. Whatever an MMA fighter is, that is also what Albert is described as.

You’re right about the MMA fighter descriptor, but I don’t have an actual legit source/reference for that. I left it at boxing since I do have a solid reference for that.

 

[Derph]

I think it's pretty cool that the prosecution takes a literal month to present their case and now The Judge says the case will be with the jury by the end of next week. Prosecution hasn't even rested yet. Lally gets 30 days and the defense gets 5, seems kind of wonky. The defense probably only needs a few day since the CW has helped make their case. JMO

The trial is a pathetic, freakin joke! It's infuriating the obvious bias that is given to the prosecution. I get more and more infuriated by the minute.

 

[TIGER0822]

@JHall7news



Scordi-Bello testifies she did not see any signs of a "significant altercation." No bruising to knuckles - no breaks to bones in his hands, etc.


Before the Judge decided to end this session, before the jury views autopsy photos. She says that makes sense. There will be a full day tomorrow.


4:16 PM · Jun 20, 2024

JO would not have bruising to the knuckles if the first punch caught him off guard. Colin has bruising to all five knuckles..

 

[arielilane]

Thank you to both doctors for explaining it so a layperson can understand. moo

 

[LaineyJ]

The trial is a pathetic, freakin joke! It's infuriating the obvious bias that is given to the prosecution. I get more and more infuriated by the minute.

To be fair I thought that while the judge made a good decision by ending before the photos today, that actually was good for the defense. It would be pretty unfair for the jurors to see such horror and then send them home for the night on that note.

 

[TIGER0822]

@BienickWCVB

Scordi-Bello says O'Keefe died over "many minutes or hours." Says she reviewed pictures of the scene and saw no footprints, drag marks and anything else that he had been moved.

"I didn't see any signs of a major altercation," she says. She notes no bruising on the hands other than a mark where a first-responder tried to start an IV. Two ribs were broken, probably during CPR chest compressions, she says.

Hey! Colin (who cried on the stand that he wanted to go home) , had five bruised knuckles… hmm definitely signs of a fight. He gave the unlikely story that he fell on the icy driveway. When you fall you put your hands down to save your self, not flip them around. I can’t imagine how you fall on your knuckles . MOO

 

[mzmarymac]

@KristinaRex

John O'Keefe's blood alcohol level was somewhere around .21 or higher, medical examiner says.

Definitely reasonable doubt that he could have slipped and fallen all on his own.

 

[KMouse]

This is exactly how 3rd party culprit/muddy the waters defenses work. Throw out enough extraneous details to wrangle over and confusion becomes reasonable doubt.


The stairs recorded on his apple watch could very well be the moment he was thrown into the air by her car.

The defense is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I want somebody who thinks Karen is not guilty to explain the tight timeline to me. How did the third party culprit manage to immediately murder John as soon as he got inside the house, into the basement, then move his body up the stairs to the front lawn in the short period of time? John was a big guy and carrying dead weight would take a few people.

 

[keek]

Definitely reasonable doubt that he could have slipped and fallen all on his own.

I don't know the alc. numbers meaning, that sounds like you say it is high?

 

[keek]

The defense is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I want somebody who thinks Karen is not guilty to explain the tight timeline to me. How did the third party culprit manage to immediately murder John as soon as he got inside the house, into the basement, then move his body up the stairs to the front lawn in the short period of time? John was a big guy and carrying dead weight would take a few people.

He was put out much later, plower noted Albert's car down that way about 3 something a.m. Not in his driveway and downnn the street from it in front of the flag pole area. Never mind no parking after midnight in winter, never mind in a foreseen blizzard.. HMMMMM. B.A is a physically powerful person and could of had help, he had a lot of help actually in this awful event. Lots of the butt dials to Higgins, Jen Mc and her deletions to 911, sister and John.. it goes on . It is a simple path from that bulkhead to the gate in the back fence that leads to where JO was placed. MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Right, he def would have the force and JO'K would have probably have been already been taken by surprise by then, no way to avoid. Whatever an MMA fighter is, that is also what Albert is described as.

What would be his motive?
What in his history would lead you to believe this?

 

[Wishbone]

This is why is so important to have a responsible designated driver or plans to take Uber, Lyft or a taxi.
No one should drink & drive or get in a car with someone that has.

I think that’s why this case bothers me so much. It never should have happened and everyone involved knew better.

Agree with no driving if drinking, but JO was not hit by KR's car.

Federal investigation​

In February, the U.S. Attorney's office provided over 3,000 pages of documents about their investigation into the case. Defense attorney Alan Jackson said in court Tuesday that included in the paperwork was information about federal investigators hiring a reconstruction expert.

"The federal investigators hired, independent of us, we had no idea, and independent of the Commonwealth, hired a professional reconstructionist, three PhDs, to look into exactly this issue," Jackson said. "Did Karen Read's SUV make contact with John O'Keefe? And their conclusion, to a person, was his injuries were inconsistent with the damage on the car. The damage on the car was inconsistent with having made contact with John O'Keefe's body. In other words, the car didn't hit him, and he wasn't hit by the car."

Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV

The defense team for Karen Read said Tuesday that a federal expert concluded evidence does not support that John O'Keefe was hit by an SUV as Massachusetts prosecutors allege.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[keek]

He was put out much later, plower noted Albert's car down that way about 3 something a.m. Not in his driveway and downnn the street from it in front of the flag pole area. Never mind no parking after midnight in winter, never mind in a foreseen blizzard.. HMMMMM. B.A is a physically powerful person and could of had help, he had a lot of help actually in this awful event. Lots of the butt dials to Higgins, Jen Mc and her deletions to 911, sister and John.. it goes on . It is a simple path from that bulkhead to the gate in the back fence that leads to where JO was placed. MOO

Haul JO out while Higgins still there. huge man and physically powerful as well, keep him outside behind that gated fence till time to move his car down to the flagpole area at about 3 in a.m. Plow guy saw it, not previously on his rounds, there.

 

[Warwick7]

I came in late thinking she was guilty. I'm in the Ng camp now. And it's not like the Murdaugh trial where I thought he was guilty, but it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I honestly don't think she did it.

I'm with you. I just came in yesterday to this case, and I can't believe she is the one on trial.

 

[keek]

I'm with you. I just came in yesterday to this case, and I can't believe she is the one on trial.

Due all to Proctor, their useful friend, dominoes then were played.

 

[TIGER0822]

The defense is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I want somebody who thinks Karen is not guilty to explain the tight timeline to me. How did the third party culprit manage to immediately murder John as soon as he got inside the house, into the basement, then move his body up the stairs to the front lawn in the short period of time? John was a big guy and carrying dead weight would take a few people.

Might be able to help if I could understand the prosecutor witnesses version of events. Their timelines contradicted each other.

 

[ch_13]

The plower?
He hasn’t testified.

I am very curious - how many of you that have been following this case got much of your information from YouTubers?

I’m not saying you did. I’m just curious about everyone.

I've been following a couple of attorneys who have been posting on youtube since the trial began, but they are going into it blind so they don't have any additional info.

My prior knowledge comes from watching all of the preliminary hearings and reading all the publicly available court filings.

 

[Wishbone]

Are we watching the same trial?
Her broken tail light
Her tail light pieces at the scene and on his shirt.
His DNA on her tail light

About those tail light pieces. Why after the tail light was assembled and complete by the lab tech were there extra pieces of tail light left over?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

The defense is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
I want somebody who thinks Karen is not guilty to explain the tight timeline to me. How did the third party culprit manage to immediately murder John as soon as he got inside the house, into the basement, then move his body up the stairs to the front lawn in the short period of time? John was a big guy and carrying dead weight would take a few people.

I want someone who thinks she’s guilty to explain how she was hitting him with a car at 1245 but home on the WiFi ant 1230. How did the witness have such a clear view of an suv parked out front at 1245 when KR is home? Yep, she’s a liar. It can be spun however people please but that’s a fact. Either she’s a liar or LE is wrong. Which is it? Explain how FBI experts say he wasn’t hit by a car. Explain how 2 taillight pieces became 5. Explain how a car hits someone’s arm and sends them flying 30 feet but there’s no bruises or broken bones?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Agree with no driving if drinking, but JO was not hit by KR's car.

Federal investigation​

In February, the U.S. Attorney's office provided over 3,000 pages of documents about their investigation into the case. Defense attorney Alan Jackson said in court Tuesday that included in the paperwork was information about federal investigators hiring a reconstruction expert.

"The federal investigators hired, independent of us, we had no idea, and independent of the Commonwealth, hired a professional reconstructionist, three PhDs, to look into exactly this issue," Jackson said. "Did Karen Read's SUV make contact with John O'Keefe? And their conclusion, to a person, was his injuries were inconsistent with the damage on the car. The damage on the car was inconsistent with having made contact with John O'Keefe's body. In other words, the car didn't hit him, and he wasn't hit by the car."

Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV

The defense team for Karen Read said Tuesday that a federal expert concluded evidence does not support that John O'Keefe was hit by an SUV as Massachusetts prosecutors allege.

www.cbsnews.com

We are now gonna take defense attorneys word as gospel on Websleuths?

Do we have access to these reports?
Do we know what exactly they based their findings on?

if I had a dollar every time a defense attorney claimed their client didn’t do it… I’d be rich.