MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[jepop]

Federal judge denies Karen Read's request to drop 2 charges, question jurors

A federal judge has denied Karen Read's request to drop two charges against her and said Judge Cannone was not wrong in declaring a mistrial.

www.cbsnews.com

3/14/25

Counts 1 and 3​

Read contended she was actually acquitted on two of the three charges, after jurors came forward after the first trial.

Judge Saylor said there is no basis to conclude that any agreement was final, because it was not reported in open court.

"Accordingly, and as a matter of federal constitutional law, petitioner was not actually acquitted of any of the relevant offenses," Saylor said.

Too bad judge cannone forgot to poll the jury and make it clear they could reach a verdict on the charges separately. Too bad the jury chairperson(?) she personally selected ( not drawn randomly because that's how they do it in Mass) didn't seek to clarify this with the court. Too bad imo that members of the jury were possibly worried about upsetting the judge by asking questions and/or moo could have felt uncomfortable about asking for clarification, maybe because judge appeared annoyed and impatient a lot of the time. Moo

 

[Trebor5591]

Yeah, to be expected I guess. The family of the misogynist take his side, while as usual Karen Read is the monster and trickster. Don 't let the state of JOK's body, his lack of bruising, the credible ARCA evidence, the symmetrical claw like marks with no evidence of tail light bits in them; don't let any of that get in the way of the irrational persecution of this woman, the illogical conviction that she murdered JOK with her car. Seriously, I'm over this witch hunt. Jmo.

She may not be a monster, but she is a murderer, IMO. But just as OJ Simpson murdered his wife and unjustly walked free because of the racism of detective mark Fuhrman, so is it quite possible Karen Read will walk free because of the "misogyny" of a State trooper involved in the case. People so negatively affected by the character flaws of police should not ever serve on a jury IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

Too bad judge cannone forgot to poll the jury and make it clear they could reach a verdict on the charges separately. Too bad the jury chairperson(?) she personally selected ( not drawn randomly because that's how they do it in Mass) didn't seek to clarify this with the court. Too bad imo that members of the jury were possibly worried about upsetting the judge by asking questions and/or moo could have felt uncomfortable about asking for clarification, maybe because judge appeared annoyed and impatient a lot of the time. Moo

Why did the defence not request the polling?

Seems to have been quite the blunder?

 

[keek]

She may not be a monster, but she is a murderer, IMO. But just as OJ Simpson murdered his wife and unjustly walked free because of the racism of detective mark Fuhrman, so is it quite possible Karen Read will walk free because of the "misogyny" of a State trooper involved in the case. People so negatively affected by the character flaws of police should not ever serve on a jury IMO.

SO much more than that. Scientific fact, stories that do not add up in timelines, goes on and on. That seem like a very slight reason considering all the evidence and irregular behavior by the judge and the jury members HAVE spoken out on her behavior towards them as jurists. Not over.

 

[texaslb218]

She may not be a monster, but she is a murderer, IMO. But just as OJ Simpson murdered his wife and unjustly walked free because of the racism of detective mark Fuhrman, so is it quite possible Karen Read will walk free because of the "misogyny" of a State trooper involved in the case. People so negatively affected by the character flaws of police should not ever serve on a jury IMO.

It's lonely over here on the guilty side. I believe that she did kill him. IMO KR acts entitled and arrogant. She is a murderer---IMO

 

[mrjitty]

She may not be a monster, but she is a murderer, IMO. But just as OJ Simpson murdered his wife and unjustly walked free because of the racism of detective mark Fuhrman, so is it quite possible Karen Read will walk free because of the "misogyny" of a State trooper involved in the case. People so negatively affected by the character flaws of police should not ever serve on a jury IMO.

I don't know if she is guilty or not but I feel there are more grounds to find her not guilty than just misogyny. Personally I cannot be confident in the condition of the tail light thanks to the issues with the video evidence. I actually don't see how you can reach a guilty verdict in this case, even though I agree a coverup seems far fetched.

From what I know of the first trial, I wonder if LE actually juiced the evidence because they thought she was guilty. To me that seems more likely than the convoluted conspiracy the defence has floated.

In general it feels like a botched investigation and the prosecution should have taken the L

MOO

 

[jepop]

Why did the defence not request the polling?

Seems to have been quite the blunder?

The jury were only hung on the manslaughter charge, they had agreed she was Ng on charge 1 ( murder) and charge 3 ( dui). This came out after trial. During deliberations they were apparently unaware they could enter these Ng verdicts on the forms. When they came back hung for the third time judge declared a mistrial and dismissed them in a matter of seconds. I don't believe either the pros or the defense had a chance to ask for polling on charges 1 & 3 before it was all over, but also neither had any reason to believe the jury had already reached consensus on charges 1 and 3. Jmo

Btw in response to your other recent post citing 'conspiracy', I've always been very clear that my position is Karen Read is innocent by virtue of the actual physical and scientific evidence presented in trial x 1 by the defense ( ARCA and various medical experts; and the lack of explanation by the ME to account for the nature of JOK's wounds and the lack of wounds consistent with impact by vehicle.

Plus other physical evidence such as no JOK blood on any part of the vehicle, no JOK blood on any of the tail light shards. This was part of the D's case and is solid. They brought in credible evidence.

'Conspiracy' as you put it has nothing to do with this and moo should not be conflated with the physical evidence and lack thereof. If the evidence says JOK was not killed by vehicular impact then he was killed in some other way. Jmo

 

[keek]

I see ALLIE MCCABE, nor the dog, the one she 'found and brought to the police station or somewhere that night she had to tell about' are on the witness list. She is a big witness as supposed to have picked up Colin, somewhere, not a fact it was 'the house' where JO was killed. Chloe def would not be on it.

 

[mrjitty]

The jury were only hung on the manslaughter charge, they had agreed she was Ng on charge 1 ( murder) and charge 3 ( dui). This came out after trial. During deliberations they were apparently unaware they could enter these Ng verdicts on the forms. When they came back hung for the third time judge declared a mistrial and dismissed them in a matter of seconds. I don't believe either the pros or the defense had a chance to ask for polling on charges 1 & 3 before it was all over, but also neither had any reason to believe the jury had already reached consensus on charges 1 and 3. Jmo

Btw in response to your other recent post citing 'conspiracy', I've always been very clear that my position is Karen Read is innocent by virtue of the actual physical and scientific evidence presented in trial x 1 by the defense ( ARCA and various medical experts; and the lack of explanation by the ME to account for the nature of JOK's wounds and the lack of wounds consistent with impact by vehicle.

Plus other physical evidence such as no JOK blood on any part of the vehicle, no JOK blood on any of the tail light shards. This was part of the D's case and is solid. They brought in credible evidence.

'Conspiracy' as you put it has nothing to do with this and moo should not be conflated with the physical evidence and lack thereof. If the evidence says JOK was not killed by vehicular impact then he was killed in some other way. Jmo

i can certainly accept he died some other way. One of the problems with such a shabby investigation is the opportunity to determine the question has been lost.

 

[jepop]

i can certainly accept he died some other way. One of the problems with such a shabby investigation is the opportunity to determine the question has been lost.

That's probably true, but it's not a certainty. In the mean time Karen Read is being defended as she should be.

In this case I feel that the defense in trial x1 did what they could to point to other possible suspects. Maybe it was a strategic mistake, idk, but the suspect phone activity of B. Albert, J McCabe and B. Higgins and conflicting, discredible testimony, when combined with the lack of evidence JOK was hit by a vehicle, mean that the defense's approach in this particular case is valid imo rather than a generic playbook conspiratorial approach.

Then you had Proctor intent on pinning KR for his own misogynistic reasons and incompetent to boot. Probably messing with evidence (tail light, missing video, inverted video, lost video of every camera that could have shown the state of the tail light between 12.30am and when KR arrived back at JOk's house). Proctor likely messed with this stuff independent of knowing anything about others' ( Albert/ Higgins) possible involvement. Jmo.

The above is why I have a problem with using a broad conspiricist brush to characterise the defense in this case. I don't think it's called for. The possibility of others' involvement is not baseless. Jmo.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

It's lonely over here on the guilty side. I believe that she did kill him. IMO KR acts entitled and arrogant. She is a murderer---IMO

How did she murder him? There is 0 conclusive evidence he was struck by a vehicle. Do you have an alternate theory?

If you believe she DID strike him with a vehicle to kill him, again, there is no conclusive evidence. So you *feel* that she is a murderer? Would you see her convicted on feelings? MOO

 

[mrjitty]

That's probably true, but it's not a certainty. In the mean time Karen Read is being defended as she should be.

In this case I feel that the defense in trial x1 did what they could to point to other possible suspects. Maybe it was a strategic mistake, idk, but the suspect phone activity of B. Albert, J McCabe and B. Higgins and conflicting, discredible testimony, when combined with the lack of evidence JOK was hit by a vehicle, mean that the defense's approach in this particular case is valid imo rather than a generic playbook conspiratorial approach.

Then you had Proctor intent on pinning KR for his own misogynistic reasons and incompetent to boot. Probably messing with evidence (tail light, missing video, inverted video, lost video of every camera that could have shown the state of the tail light between 12.30am and when KR arrived back at JOk's house). Proctor likely messed with this stuff independent of knowing anything about others' ( Albert/ Higgins) possible involvement. Jmo.

The above is why I have a problem with using a broad conspiricist brush to characterise the defense in this case. I don't think it's called for. The possibility of others' involvement is not baseless. Jmo.

sorry i didn’t intend to be insulting!

KR alleges a criminal conspiracy and coverup. Perhaps that is better stated?

I agree with you about Proctor. I think that is likely what happened.

IMO

 

[texaslb218]

How did she murder him? There is 0 conclusive evidence he was struck by a vehicle. Do you have an alternate theory?

If you believe she DID strike him with a vehicle to kill him, again, there is no conclusive evidence. So you *feel* that she is a murderer? Would you see her convicted on feelings? MOO

I posted early on before the conclusion of the first trial. This----I believe she is guilty, but I also believe that she will get off and go free.
There are no good details on either side in my opinion. No admirable character traits or professionalism by prosecution or defense that I have seen.

IN MY OPINION

 

[Seattle1]

The federal decision should not come as any surprise-- regardless of how the petition was presented. MA Statute provided for relief here-- at the discretion of the Judge.

We know Cannone could have 1) made the jury form more clear for the jurors as requested by the defense, 2) asked the jurors if they reached a unanimous verdict on any of the charges, and 3) directed such verdict(s) recorded and received, and declared a mistrial on any charges upon which the jury could not agree, but she did not and quickly dismissed the jurors.

And neither party pushed for a polling of the jurors! -- IMO, at that moment, they didn't want to hear the answer.

https://www.mass.gov/rules-of-criminal-procedure/criminal-procedure-rule-27-verdict#-b-several-offenses-or-defendants

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900544576198242322

 

[mrjitty]

And neither party pushed for a polling of the jurors! -- IMO, at that moment, they didn't want to hear the answer.

RSBM

Agreed! I remember we discussed that at the time!

 

[MerlinFalcon]

It's lonely over here on the guilty side. I believe that she did kill him. IMO KR acts entitled and arrogant. She is a murderer---IMO

Good thing that acting - in your opinion- entitled and arrogant isn’t included in the trial as evidence. The fact is most of the evidence exonerates her.

 

[keek]

Proctor still (and us) awaiting his results as of today. Do they dare do nothing? He keeps employed on any level with the State Police?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Proctor still (and us) awaiting his results as of today. Do they dare do nothing? He keeps employed on any level with the State Police?

If he doesn't face consequences for his conduct, then we will know the true corruption in that police unit.

 

[keek]

If he doesn't face consequences for his conduct, then we will know the true corruption in that police unit.

One trillion percent.