MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[nodamselindistress]

Love it! Yanetti bringing up the issue that most of us have previously, Judge's preference for not stating reasons for objecting causes confusion.

 

[Wishbone]

Now she wants to voir dire the ARCCA witnesses again. This is beyond insane. The FEDS hired them period. Her bias is so blantant.

 

[rescuemom]

You may find it hard to believe, however, there is no evidence JO's body was struck by a vehicle. And we know he was headed into that house.

My own guess is John went into that house to confront Higgins. A continuation of what was going on a few minutes earlier at the Waterfall. Bad stuff happened quickly and it appeared he couldn't recover from that blow to his head, which likely happened in the man cave basement. The homeowner knew Lucky the plow guy would be coming down the road to do his first prep work by 3 or 4 am. Perfect fall guy. These are cops we're talking about here, not your average citizens. Townie cops at that.

I can agree with that. Maybe Higgins. My initial thought was the young men who were already there full of alcohol and bravado. CW doesn't want to consider that he went into the house. but IIRC a witness in the first trial was able to track his steps ..a fitbit or apple watch... and testified that his steps indicated that he either went up steps or down steps. That in addition to the dog bites, there is no indication the dog was outside. JO and dog were in the house. A surprise sucker punch to his face/head might cause him to fall ... exciting the dog to attack...on basement/concrete floor.. hit his head rendering him unconscious. A little time may have elapsed and JO didn't regain consiousness so the basement group decided to put him outside. That is the entire case. IMO

 

[Derph]

So the ARCCA guys have to go thru voir dire AGAIN, but Crosby just gets to waltz in to the trial unhindered or questioned!! This judge is corrupt! There is a mountain of evidence showing it. I'm totally outraged at what I'm seeing here!!

 

[Wishbone]

She seems rather short on patience today....even more than usual, I mean

She seems her usual unlikable self to me, but then I am biased toward her at this point.

 

[nodamselindistress]

That is exactly why I watched Cannone in another murder trial, to see if her bias was case specific. It appears that it is, judging by my non- scientific eye.

 

[Wishbone]

So the ARCCA guys have to go thru voir dire AGAIN, but Crosby just gets to waltz in to the trial unhindered or questioned!! This judge is corrupt! There is a mountain of evidence showing it. I'm totally outraged at what I'm seeing here!!

Doesn't it seem that if things go south for KR that she would have a mountain of grounds for appeals?

 

[Wishbone]

cw wants death certificate manner of death (undetermined) redacted. she as usual is taking it under advisement since it benefits the defense to allow it. From what I just heard there is no legal precedent to redact that term.

 

[Wishbone]

On a break..and I need one after watching her full blown bias rule.

 

[Derph]

Morning break already? They just started less than an hour ago!!

 

[rescuemom]

I don't believe that KR ever did reverse at that speed. Trooper Paul's testimony about the keycycle data was inaccurate. I urge you to watch his testimony and the cross-examination, and not rely upon some documentary.

Just so we're clear on definitions, a keycycle includes the entire time from when a key is inserted into the ignition and the car is turned on, until the car is turned off again.

According to the Commonwealth, KR hit JO during keycycle 1162. And Trooper Paul claims that his testing began with keycycle 1164.

That means the car was only turned on-and-off once between the time KR supposedly hit JO and when Trooper Paul got the car.

But we know that's not true. KR drove the car the next morning. Then her father drove it. Then the car was impounded by the police and loaded onto a trailer. Then it was driven off the trailer and brought into the police garage. That's a minimum of four times that the car was turned on and off, perhaps more. There's no dispute about any of that. So if Trooper Paul's testing was at keycycle 1164, how could Karen have hit John at 1162?

I think in the upcoming retrial the Commonwealth will have a completely different theory about the keycycle data.


Edit - I forgot to address your first item...


There's no question that the Alberts were aware of what was going on outside that morning. Jenn McCabe testified that she went into the Albert's house to tell them about. If I recall correctly, she went into the house right when the police showed up and even before the ambulance arrived.

Brian and Nicole Albert both testified that they just chose to not come outside.

Brian and Nicole Albert both testified that they just chose to not come outside.

Just imagine because that does not even make sense. He is a cop and there is a disturbance outside his house?? Makes 0 sense. Speaks to guilt of something!!! IMO

 

[rescuemom]

There are a couple of pieces of extremely suss evidence from the last trial that don't get talked about a lot. One of them, IMO, directly implicates Michael Proctor in wrongdoing.

We know that John was carrying a cocktail glass when he got out of Karen's car. That glass was found by his body.

However, in addition to John's cocktail glass, there was additional glass found by the police. Pieces of glass were found on Karen's back bumper while other pieces were found outside 34 Fairview. The state crime lab matched some of the pieces on the bumper and the glass found at the home and confirmed they were from the same drinking glass.

Now how could pieces of the same glass ended up at these two locations? Karen's car was only at 34 Fairview for a brief time. John didn't put them there, he was carrying a different glass. It doesn't make any sense for Karen to have put them there. And as far as we know, no one else approached the car while it was outside the house.

It's fairly improbable that the glass would have remained on the bumper while it was being towed across town during a storm, but that's what the police claim happened. Their story is that the glass on the bumper was discovered while the SUV was in the police garage. And the pieces at 34 Fairview were found days later by none other than Michael Proctor who somehow located them in the snow.

Now maybe that's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he was tampering with evidence, but he certainly had means and opportunity and it really hard to come up with any other reasonable scenario that explains how that glass got there.

I missed that piece of information. If JO had a glass from the previous bar and it was still in his hand in the basement and he dropped it when he was attacked pieces of it could be gathered to plant. To cover this up, alot of things needed to be thought of and this could be just another plant. IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Well, I’m not going to grant the motion. We have jurors coming in that were summonsed months ago,” Cannone explained. “I called the jury commissioner yesterday and asked how long it would take to get the right numbers that we were able to get starting April 1st at a minimum of ten weeks. But I’m not going to do that.”

Watch live: Judge denies motion to delay Karen Read’s 2nd trial as murder case returns to court

Read is accused of hitting her Boston police officer boyfriend John O’Keefe with her SUV and leaving him to die after a night of drinking.

www.boston25news.com

 

[Wishbone]

Alessi is up

 

[nodamselindistress]

She is disrespectful to Alessi.

 

[rescuemom]

Around the 8:00 mark.

The testimony of Ryan Nagel was very telling. He is the brother of Julie Nagel, who was a best friend with Brian Albert Jr. When Ryan pulled up to the Albert house to pick Julie up at approximately 12:30 a.m., he followed KR's SUV all the way down Fairview and parked behind her, up to 3 car lengths total (very close). They pretty much pulled up at the same time. She was parked closer to the driveway at first and then she pulled up 2 car lengths. He saw her red brake lights because it was dark. He knew it was her brakes because the top brake light was also on. He saw no damage. They were parked there for approximately 5 minutes waiting for Julie to come out, talking to Julie, and watching Julie walk back inside the Albert home. He saw nobody get out of Karen's vehicle and nobody outside her vehicle. When they pulled away to the left while passing KR's SUV, he noticed her dome light was on and he saw only Karen sitting in the driver's seat. No sign of anyone else. The snow had just started shortly before. He saw no tire marks on the street out of the ordinary to indicate a 3-point turn had taken place. Because of the timeline of when Karen arrived back at John's, it couldn't have happened that she reversed into JOK.
MOO.

After watching the documentary just now, I'd like to know why KR was reversing her Lexus at 24mph according to the telemetry. 24mph is really fast in reverse and if IMO she had hit JO at that speed, could've done a lot of damage and possibly killed him.

She may have reversed he car at 24mph, remember she was waiting for JO to signal for her to come inside. She waited how long?? He never signaled to her. She was furious and put her car in reverse and gunned it. So what??? She hurt no one. Also remember she knew JO was no longer near her car and she would not hit him. He was already in the house!!

 

[rescuemom]

Now brennan is trying to intimate the defense was aware of the arcca investigation at the outset and wants to rule them out or seem like the defense had something to do with their being hired. So does that mean the FBI lied?

I have to admit that I have become confused as to why who paid for ARCCA, who hired them and why it is so contentious or makes any difference. I thought it was part of FBI investigation and available to both sides and paid for. I have missed something. Can someone give me a cliff notes version??? Thanks

 

[SteveS]

In the trial, it was brought out that the occasion of WHEN her car went 24 mph in reverse is disputable. They did not have someone there with a radar gun -- the cw assertion is based on a reading of car computer data. And cw claimed this happened in that yard.

But a defense expert testified that the cw sequencing was wrong, for certain reasons, and the 24 mph in reverse HAD TO have happened when Proctor had possession of it and not on the night when JO died.

Those citing the cw assertion without admitting its iffiness are misstating what we learned in the 1st trial.

Just a reminder since this keeps coming up.

ETA - FWIW to me the most compelling evidence in this trial (which the judge doesn't want to allow to be presented with its full effect) is that the FBI did their own investigation to determine what happened. They hired the best to do a reconstruction of the scene, who determined JO could not have been hit by Read's car -- its scientifically impossible. The FBI offered their info to the case. The cw chose to ignore it, deny it, and try to minimize it at trial, rather than look for what really happened.

That's just wrong. But imo that's where we are, with a judge determined to support the cw. Ugh.

 

[Wishbone]

I have to admit that I have become confused as to why who paid for ARCCA, who hired them and why it is so contentious or makes any difference. I thought it was part of FBI investigation and available to both sides and paid for. I have missed something. Can someone give me a cliff notes version??? Thanks

Both the cw and the defense we made aware of ARCCA determination at the same time. Neither had any information beforehand.

 

[Sustained]

After watching the documentary just now, I'd like to know why KR was reversing her Lexus at 24mph according to the telemetry. 24mph is really fast in reverse and if IMO she had hit JO at that speed, could've done a lot of damage and possibly killed him.

She may have reversed he car at 24mph, remember she was waiting for JO to signal for her to come inside. She waited how long?? He never signaled to her. She was furious and put her car in reverse and gunned it. So what??? She hurt no one. Also remember she knew JO was no longer near her car and she would not hit him. He was already in the house!!

There is zero proof JO was ever in the house.