MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[Linda7NJ]

Who paid for the ARCCA experts ?

We know the defense cut a check

 

[cocomod]

Who paid for the ARCCA experts ?

The FBI paid for the experts to conduct the experiments. The defense didn't even know they were doing it until the FBI turned over the documents. The defense did pay for their time and expenses to attend the trial. However, they did not hire them and pay them to conduct the experiments.

 

[cocomod]

There is zero actual evidence of dog involvement.
IMO it’s impossible to wrestle with a German Shepherd and not a single hair is transferred.

The problem is COC. That shirt was tainted at best since it was out in the open for months. It was NEVER tested when the incident occurred.

 

[cocomod]

Chain of custody for one or two items in a case is a slight issue. This case, there is NO chain of custody for ANY items! Most importantly, the main items! A lot of these items should be discounted for that very reason.



The google search was made at 2:30 a.m. I believe that science.



The defense doesn’t even need to set out on the conspiracy theory. Honestly, they win this case on lack of evidence alone. The “witnesses” lied – under oath, the “witnesses” threw away phones, the “witnesses” stories don’t make sense.



Michael Proctor lost his job because he was unprofessional and a drunk. He also was friends with people at the party. He had a conflict of interest and should have never been the lead investigator. I say that his handling of the evidence proves that at the very least he tried very hard to make sure she was convicted. He was in possession of the inverted video, and the most recent video released. Why? Why didn’t he turn it over prior? He had possession of the shirts for 2 months! It doesn’t take that long to dry out. Also, he was friends with Kevin Albert. They went drinking together and that is one of the reasons he was fired. I don’t think you can honestly say he was not friends with the Alberts. Also, why was he offered a present “once all of this is over” if he wasn’t friends with them?



Kare was drunk that night along with everyone else. Her memory of that night is likely very impaired due to that fact alone. The “truth” from Jen McCabe changed ON THE STAND and she didn’t face in consequences. Unfortunately, they all should be ashamed of themselves for that night. Butt dialing??? Not at that level – no way do I believe it. Especially now that we have a new video showing Higgins talking on the phone on the night in question. Not a butt dial if you are talking back on the phone.



The taillight pieces were found by a cop that literally said nasty things about KR before the investigation even began. They were found suspiciously by him, not the other how many cops on site??? Doesn’t pass the smell test.



DNA on the taillight was touch DNA. They were dating! Of course his DNA would be found on her vehicle. They never said his blood was found on the taillight which is strange if that taillight somehow punched a very small hole his his jacket and then somehow scratched straight down his arm. No blood on the taillight….



No pictures of where the taillight pieces were found by the person most likely to taint the investigation.



It doesn’t matter if it was the first time they secured a crime scene in the snow. They still should have followed proper protocol. There is NO way they shouldn’t have had evidence bags. That has nothing to do with snow. Using a neighbor’s grocery bag??? Evidence collection exists at every crime scene regardless of weather conditions.



The dog bite / scratch makes way more sense then the taillight scratching in a straightish line down his arm without shredding his jacket. There was no canine DNA found because they didn’t test for any! The hospital flat out admitted as such. They didn’t even check out those scratches. They didn’t test the jacket until years later after a very questionable COC??



The only thing the CW made sure that we knew is that it was snowing that night. We heard over and over and over and over again that it was snowing and KR was drinking. The snow wasn’t as deep as it was later in the day though.



Very, very few clients testify in a very serious murder trial. That doesn’t change my mind about her guilt or innocence in the least.



ARCCA is credible. They wrote their findings BEFORE the defense even knew they were testing the situation. They are the most credible people at trial because they had no skin in the game. If you think they are not credible because they got paid for their time and travel expenses, then I can’t help you. They are a business after all. They were not paid by the defense to conduct the experiments – that is what is important.





Her attorneys are now working free of charge. No money being made from now until the end of trial and the very real appeals.



I am so sad that Office John O’Keefe will never receive true justice because a bunch of drunk cops and a misogynistic arrogant cop didn’t do their jobs and actually truly investigate his death. There is NO excuse – ZERO – for not going in to the house that morning to make sure no one else was harmed. There is NO excuse – ZERO – for not questioning the people in the house about what happened. That very morning. Not later. HE was found on that lawn!



These are just a few of my musings on this case. This is not taking in to account the very real bias shown by the judge either!!!

 

[Derph]

Thanks - accident reconstruction is not an exact science, but I suspect the CW will add a better expert than who was presented at the 1st trial. Since the contention at that trial was the dog did not attack JO and leave marks on his arm (no canine DNA), is it not possible something on the underside of the Lexus caused those marks as JO was perhaps run over ?

They only tested a few random spots on the shirt for DNA. Since there were no photo's taken of where they swabbed the shirt no one really know what parts of the shirt they tested.

 

[cocomod]

There is zero proof JO was ever in the house.

There is zero proof he wasn't. Evidence from the defense says he was. A CW witness says he saw a tall man enter. There was no investigation that night to see if he was. The floor of the basement in that house was freaking torn out. Not just the carpet, the actual concrete! Who does that? The weights in the basement were never looked at. The carpet in the basement was never looked at. The ring cameras in the neighborhood were never looked at. There was NEVER a true investigation done. They came to a conclusion, and then they made the evidence fit that conclusion - even though the CW's reconstruction "specialist" made zero sense and was quite laughable.

 

[Sustained]

They only tested a few random spots on the shirt for DNA. Since there were no photo's taken of where they swabbed the shirt no one really know what parts of the shirt they tested.

True - not sure why it has to be the dog or the taillight. If KR had backed into JO, knocked him down and subsequently run over him with the rear of the Lexus, is it not possible JO was scratched by the underside of the Lexus if he held his arm up ? Not sure if LE ever tested the undercarriage of the Lexus ?

 

[Sustained]

There is zero proof he wasn't. Evidence from the defense says he wasn't. A CW witness says he saw a tall man enter. There was no investigation that night to see if he was. The floor of the basement in that house was freaking torn out. Not just the carpet, the actual concrete! Who does that? The weights in the basement were never looked at. The carpet in the basement was never looked at. The ring cameras in the neighborhood were never looked at. There was NEVER a true investigation done. They came to a conclusion, and then they made the evidence fit that conclusion - even though the CW's reconstruction "specialist" made zero sense and was quite laughable.

BBM - just the testimony of the witnesses who were at 34 Fairview. Are they all lying ?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Thanks - accident reconstruction is not an exact science, but I suspect the CW will add a better expert than who was presented at the 1st trial. Since the contention at that trial was the dog did not attack JO and leave marks on his arm (no canine DNA), is it not possible something on the underside of the Lexus caused those marks as JO was perhaps run over ?

But not one bruise?

 

[SteveS]

We know the defense cut a check

This answer ^ is VERY misleading. I would hope the cw tries to say this at trial, so the defense can tell the jury the WHOLE STORY of who paid for what and why. That's a vital piece of the evidence as to the objectivity and credibility of their findings, and the judge should not keep it from the jury if she has any interest in the truth being known.

The FBI originally paid for ARCCAs expert work itself, the job of reconstructing and determining the possibility of JO being hit by Read's car as the cw has claimed (scientifically impossible, they found out). That's an expense that undoubtedly would have run to the hundreds of thousands. The defense paid about 20K more, as they were apparently billed for the added costs of ARCCA presenting their findings to the court.

If the cw or anyone else wants to spotlight the 20K, they should also tell the rest of the story if they have any interest in the truth being shared. I suspect there's only an interest in railroading KR, but we'll see what happens.

 

[cocomod]

True - not sure why it has to be the dog or the taillight. If KR had backed into JO, knocked him down and subsequently run over him with the rear of the Lexus, is it not possible JO was scratched by the underside of the Lexus if he held his arm up ? Not sure if LE ever tested the undercarriage of the Lexus ?

Did you see how far off of the road he was? She couldn't have run over him with the rear of the Lexus. Not to mention, where is the evidence he was hit by a car. Not one bruise on him in the chest or lower extremities. His injuries do not show being hit by a car. Where did the massive contusion on his head come from?

 

[Sustained]

But not one bruise?

Maybe not - there is space underneath the back side of an SUV and maybe he raised his arm as she was backing up. Without seeing the underside of her SUV, hard to say.

JMO

 

[STLBlues]

True - not sure why it has to be the dog or the taillight. If KR had backed into JO, knocked him down and subsequently run over him with the rear of the Lexus, is it not possible JO was scratched by the underside of the Lexus if he held his arm up ? Not sure if LE ever tested the undercarriage of the Lexus ?

If he was knocked down and ended up under or partially under the vehicle, I have two questions:
1. Why did he not have any road rash?
2. How did he end up in the yard?

 

[Sustained]

Did you see how far off of the road he was? She couldn't have run over him with the rear of the Lexus. Not to mention, where is the evidence he was hit by a car. Not one bruise on him in the chest or lower extremities. His injuries do not show being hit by a car. Where did the massive contusion on his head come from?

How do we know he wasn't run over, got up after for a few seconds and then collapsed away from the roadway ? The head injury could've have come from being hit and slamming his head into the pavement.

 

[Sustained]

If he was knocked down and ended up under or partially under the vehicle, I have two questions:
1. Why did he not have any road rash?
2. How did he end up in the yard?

1. Was there ice on the road and shoulder ?
2. He would've had to get up and move after being hit. Wouldn't be the 1st time a hit-and-run victim moved after impact.

 

[nodamselindistress]

1. Was there ice on the road and shoulder ?
2. He would've had to get up and move after being hit. Wouldn't be the 1st time a hit-and-run victim moved after impact.

Except doctors' testimony at the trial stated the head injury would have knocked him out and he never could have moved

 

[Sustained]

Except doctors' testimony at the trial stated the head injury would have knocked him out and he never could have moved

An opinion like many other opinions given during trial

 

[nodamselindistress]

An opinion like many other opinions given during trial

An opinion agreed with by all medical experts on both sides

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM - just the testimony of the witnesses who were at 34 Fairview. Are they all lying ?

Of course not.

 

[Sustained]

An opinion agreed with by all medical experts on both sides

So we're left to believe that JO was not hit where he was found and person(s) inside the house moved him to the front lawn ? Not buying it.

If JO had been killed inside the house by BH, all BH would have to say was JO came at me, attacked me about texting KR, so I hit him in self-defense. Witnesses everywhere to back him up. At the time, none of them knew that KR had a broken taillight or maybe if she ever left 34 Fairview if/when JO went inside.