MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[Linda7NJ]

I do that too. However, Google does not update the timestamp when a tab is revisited. You will potentially see a second search, but the first search will still be there, unaltered.
Google search URLs contain timestamps that indicate when the search occurred. These timestamps are embedded in the URL parameters and are used to track the exact time of user actions.

Browser history timestamps are pretty accurate. Google and other search engines simply don’t do when Jen insinuated they did with her ‘hos long to die in cold’ search.

Especially when you consider she is not claiming to have searched something earlier and revisited the tab later as you suggest. She is claiming that she made a search around 6am, and Google transposed it to an EARLIER time of 2:27. Simply not possible.

All imo.

I don’t believe she went from searching basketball scores to Hos long to die in cold

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'll take a stab at this.

As you correctly point out, the evidence can't be reconciled. Normally you could just discount the ARCCA experts as hired guns, but because we know they were instructed by the Feds, we can't do that here.

This irreconcilable knot shows that something is wrong in the evidence/theories. The defence allege this is due the defendant being framed. That's one theory.

Alternatively I think the state just did not put together a cohesive reconstruction - which might partly be because the lack of clear data from the vehicle. But also incompetent analysis.

For instance, I am not sure how hard the Lexus really would have needed to strike him in order for him to fall and break his skull. I've seen other cases where someone was knocked unconscious in a fight, fell on a hard surface and was fatally injured from that fall. Which is actually what the defence allege.

Not being a reconstruction expert - i have no idea about these things. For instance is it possible John staggered, then fell where he was found? Or other way around? But obviously if the CW cannot come up with a credible reconstruction, the verdict must be NG.

I tend to agree that the CW theory as presented was internally inconsistent - but that could be simply due to incompetence as opposed to framing. IMO.

Feds or no feds ARCCA did not have all the data nor did they consider all the possible variables

 

[Linda7NJ]

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I can see it used in this context. The documentary said he was loyal to others and protective of his family.

ETA: And as I look at this definition, I can see him being protective of Karen too then, and possibly being riled up with Higgins if he had known about their flirting.

I took it to mean no one had a bad word to say about him. He was incredibly well liked.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Almost all deliveries to my house come to the side door. In the front yard is where my 4 year old GSD hangs out. On the gate is a large "Beware of the dog" sign. One day I was looking out my front window when I saw a delivery man open the gate to the front yard! My GSD saw him and retreated to a safe distance from the stranger. The man carried the package up my front steps, leaving it on the porch. My GSD kept a safe distance the whole time. Only when the man left through the front gate, did my GSD began barking ferociously!

The point is, most pet dogs will retreat from a stranger. Only if they have had attack training will they confront a stranger and bite him. IMO.

I’ve never had a dog that would retreat from a stranger.

 

[Linda7NJ]

All dogs behave differently, just as all people behave differently under the same circumstances. Chloe was reportedly a high-strung police dog, retired from police work, who wasn't comfortable around people, who had attacked others. I don't believe you can compare your dog to Chloe just because they are the same breed.
MOO

Chloe I thought attacked other dogs and injured humans when they intervened

 

[Linda7NJ]

Police audit to be released

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Feds or no feds ARCCA did not have all the data nor did they consider all the possible variables

But the CW DID? Trooper Paul did? LOL

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I’ve never had a dog that would retreat from a stranger.

That means that no dog on Earth would ever retreat from a stranger I guess.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Just so I'm understanding correctly -- I have never had a girlfriend run me over with a car, therefore KR didn't do it.

 

[Spectrix]

Just so I'm understanding correctly -- I have never had a girlfriend run me over with a car, therefore KR didn't do it.

I mean... you probably have, it's just that you blamed it on a ridiculous conspiracy instead of facing up to the cold hard truth that your girlfriend intentionally ran you over

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I don’t believe she went from searching basketball scores to Hos long to die in cold

Can I ask what you do think happened then? We know that the timestamp cannot be altered in search engines. That being said, when do you think she googled ‘hos long to die in cold’?

Also, there’s a simple answer here - she was watching basketball before whatever incident occurred with JOK, and made the ‘hos long’ search after he was injured.

 

[waldojabba]

Very heavy lift IMO.

If the second trial is anything like the first, Judge Cannone's bias will shine brightly from the bench for all to see - on the daily.

I have to assume that perhaps she has a blind spot to her attitude/delivery/behavior or she would reign it in. Or perhaps her emotional intelligence is not so well developed.

I once worked at a large corporate headquarters, not far from the courthouse, that was full of women form Judge Cannonne's "neighborhood". I notice similarities in behaviors and a pattern of less than critical thinking. It was always interesting to see who was connected to who and what that inner circle looked like. All about who you knew at that company and loyalty above all else in the early days. I think thats what we are looking at here. They are suspicious of anyone who they perceive as too good looking, too intellectual too well dressed -especially if they are not from the" neighborhood". IYKYK.

Funny but true. Mean girls in old age - should be a netflix

You can see it in how Judge C treats Alan Jackson - constantly belittling etc. and how she sneers at karen Reed.

JMO

jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

That means that no dog on Earth would ever retreat from a stranger I guess.

I disagreed with the statement most pet dogs retreat from strangers.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Can I ask what you do think happened then? We know that the timestamp cannot be altered in search engines. That being said, when do you think she googled ‘hos long to die in cold’?

Also, there’s a simple answer here - she was watching basketball before whatever incident occurred with JOK, and made the ‘hos long’ search after he was injured.

No, we don’t know timestamp cannot be wrong.
When listening to testimony it’s important to listen to all of it. Not just the defense.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If the second trial is anything like the first, Judge Cannone's bias will shine brightly from the bench for all to see - on the daily.

I have to assume that perhaps she has a blind spot to her attitude/delivery/behavior or she would reign it in. Or perhaps her emotional intelligence is not so well developed.

I once worked at a large corporate headquarters, not far from the courthouse, that was full of women form Judge Cannonne's "neighborhood". I notice similarities in behaviors and a pattern of less than critical thinking. It was always interesting to see who was connected to who and what that inner circle looked like. All about who you knew at that company and loyalty above all else in the early days. I think thats what we are looking at here. They are suspicious of anyone who they perceive as too good looking, too intellectual too well dressed -especially if they are not from the" neighborhood". IYKYK.

Funny but true. Mean girls in old age - should be a netflix

You can see it in how Judge C treats Alan Jackson - constantly belittling etc. and how she sneers at karen Reed.

JMO

jmo

Wow ..that’s quite the smear.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Chloe I thought attacked other dogs and injured humans when they intervened

Same difference! If you've ever been close to a German Shepherd attacking another dog or a human, you'd know how horrifying it is. They are ferocious, with instantaneous reflexes. They can inflict severe injuries in seconds.

 

[mrjitty]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.



Having reviewed the various medical testimonies throughout trial #1, no I don't believe so.

It was suggested that the blow to the back of the skull was so severe that it rendered JOK unconscious immediately
If that is the case, how did he get from the road to the yard?
Keeping in mind the CW's scenario involves KR reversing into JOK (on purpose) and then leaving him to die in the cold. Did KR drag him over there?

These are the kind of questions to ask yourself if you truly believe that she's guilty of murder.

I have no idea if she is guilty of murder - I certainly think the reconstruction needs to account for all these factors rather than say "it must have been so"

I also think that whatever the answer to all this, it must have been somewhat unusual

 

[Wishbone]

If the second trial is anything like the first, Judge Cannone's bias will shine brightly from the bench for all to see - on the daily.

I have to assume that perhaps she has a blind spot to her attitude/delivery/behavior or she would reign it in. Or perhaps her emotional intelligence is not so well developed.

I once worked at a large corporate headquarters, not far from the courthouse, that was full of women form Judge Cannonne's "neighborhood". I notice similarities in behaviors and a pattern of less than critical thinking. It was always interesting to see who was connected to who and what that inner circle looked like. All about who you knew at that company and loyalty above all else in the early days. I think thats what we are looking at here. They are suspicious of anyone who they perceive as too good looking, too intellectual too well dressed -especially if they are not from the" neighborhood". IYKYK.

Funny but true. Mean girls in old age - should be a netflix

You can see it in how Judge C treats Alan Jackson - constantly belittling etc. and how she sneers at karen Reed.

JMO

jmo

That seems to be part of the reason for her antics, but I believe the rabbit hole runs much deeper. JMOO

 

[ch_13]

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I can see it used in this context. The documentary said he was loyal to others and protective of his family.

ETA: And as I look at this definition, I can see him being protective of Karen too then, and possibly being riled up with Higgins if he had known about their flirting.

Brian Higgins' behavior in particular was so odd, both on that night and in the subsequent days, that I think it bears singling out:

• We know that in the weeks prior to John's death, he and Karen had exchanged a series of messages and had kissed once. He admitted on the stand that he was romantically interested in her.
• The evening of John’s death, while everyone was at the Waterfall bar, Higgins texted Karen “Um, well..." which she ignored. We know how affectionate JO and KR were that night and I think he was becoming jealous watching them.
• After Higgins leaves the bar he goes to the Albert home and at 12:20 AM he texts John O’Keefe, “Where you at?”
• He says he left almost immediately afterwards because there was no Jameson whiskey there. Note that John was supposedly struck at 12:25 AM, right around the time Higgins, by his own testimony, would be leaving the house.
• We now know that he is on videotape arriving at the Canton PD at 1:26 AM. It’s only a five minute drive. Where was he for that missing hour? He claimed the roads were bad, but everyone else was driving around at more or less normal speeds and he was driving a Jeep.
• On the stand he claimed that he went to the PD only to move some cars around, but he is on videotape talking to someone on his phone. We don’t know who he was speaking with at that time of night. (Notably this didn’t come out in the original trial. The footage was originally withheld from the defense and they only found out about it recently. Apparently, Higgins didn’t mention this call in either his state or federal testimony.)
• At 2:22 AM when he’s at home, he and Brian Albert exchange phone calls. They later deny making the calls and claim they are “butt dials”.
• At 6:30 AM the next morning, Brian Albert calls him to tell him about JO and Higgins immediately shows up at the scene. This is shortly after JO is found in the snow. Brian Albert wouldn’t come out onto his lawn, but he called Higgins? Why?
• According to access logs, Higgins then goes to Canton PD and is there from 7 AM to 5 PM. (Remember, this is a Saturday. Higgins has the day off.)
• The logs also show that he enters the sally port that day, although Higgins says he doesn’t “recollect” if he was there at the same time as Karen’s SUV. The video from that time period is missing.
• Nine months later, Higgins drove to a military base to destroy his phone and its SIM card. He claimed he did it there because it was on his way, but that really makes no sense.

Keep in mind, this man is an ATF agent, who has an ethical duty to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, yet destroyed his phone in the most suspicious way possible so that it could never be examined. There’s also a lot I’ve left out, like the roughhousing at the Waterfall; the mysterious Jeep and its plow; his claim that he wasn’t at the PD on Saturday, but can’t remember where he was; and much more.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Same difference! If you've ever been close to a German Shepherd attacking another dog or a human, you'd know how horrifying it is. They are ferocious, with instantaneous reflexes. They can inflict severe injuries in seconds.

Agreed.
But….Having a dog that attacks others dogs is not the same as a dog that attacks humans.
Having owned a well trained, well groomed German Shepherd, I also know it’s impossible to wrestle with one and not get a single hair on you