MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[Elliot_Alderson]

Exactly. The testimony from both independent reconstruction experts at their hearing.... that is not allowed in this trial...said they were given the task of determining if the car would be damged as shown after Proctor got a hold of it AND if the injuries to JOK body could be done from a car in reverse at 24mph. Both said No with their explanations.

But apparently “they didn’t have all the information”. Funny how the CW had all the data and could show no science showing he wasn’t hit hit by a car.

 

[rescuemom]

They weren’t given all the data
They did not test every variable
They have some sort of relationship with the defense

What variable did they miss? Please share proof of relationship with the defense.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Lol ... I'm not demanding anything. But when 10+ people testify that JOK never came in the house and unless they are ALL lying, JOK never came into the house. You can speculate all you want. You could also say Brian Albert came outside with Chloe, yanked JOK out of Read's SUV, and they both attacked him viciously and killed him.

The problem isn’t speculation. It’s that the investigation never even considered the possibility that JOK went inside, despite clear reasons to check. If 10+ people who were in that house have a vested interest in denying he was ever there, their testimony alone isn’t definitive proof. That’s why crime scene investigations exist. But instead of investigating 34 Fairview as a potential scene, law enforcement took those statements at face value and built their case around them.

Meanwhile, we know JOK had injuries inconsistent with a hit-and-run, and no one has explained how he got them. If your position is that he must not have gone inside because no one admitted it, you’re taking witness testimony as gospel while ignoring the lack of forensic investigation. That’s not proof. That’s blind faith.

All MOO.

 

[rescuemom]

Where was an accident reconstruction expert for the CW?
What data weren't they given?
Why would they lie to the FBI?
Just because someone has a relationship with the defense doesn't mean they're wrong. That's that LE bias clearly showing through.

JMO

What about Trooper Paul, now there's an expert for you.

 

[rescuemom]

Read the Independent Audit yourself.

Canton police audit released: Full 200-page report, analysis and reaction

An independent audit of the Canton Police Department commissioned amid the backlash over how it handled the investigation into Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe‘s death and the Sandra Birchmore case was released Tuesday. The audit began last year and was conducted by the investigative firm 5...

www.nbcboston.com

Now there is something to write home about.

 

[rescuemom]

IMO she wanted to know how much trouble she would be in - if she admitted that she hit him.

Her minimizing by using the word “CLIPPED” as opposed to “HIT” is telling to me.

Like her minimizing how much she had to drink.

ALL IMO

No, she was stunned at the death of JOK.

 

[Sustained]

The problem isn’t speculation. It’s that the investigation never even considered the possibility that JOK went inside, despite clear reasons to check. If 10+ people who were in that house have a vested interest in denying he was ever there, their testimony alone isn’t definitive proof. That’s why crime scene investigations exist. But instead of investigating 34 Fairview as a potential scene, law enforcement took those statements at face value and built their case around them.

Meanwhile, we know JOK had injuries inconsistent with a hit-and-run, and no one has explained how he got them. If your position is that he must not have gone inside because no one admitted it, you’re taking witness testimony as gospel while ignoring the lack of forensic investigation. That’s not proof. That’s blind faith.

All MOO.

What is the vested interest of the 10+ people denying he was in the house ?

 

[Leilei]

What about Trooper Paul, now there's an expert for you.

I still have second-hand embarrassment for him.
Yikes.
IMO.

 

[keek]

What variable did they miss? Please share proof of relationship with the defense.

Extreme thinking of the experts having a relationship with the defense, what and how?

 

[Sustained]

No, she was stunned at the death of JOK.

No, she was likely stunned that she thought she tapped him lightly and he died from it.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

What is the vested interest of the 10+ people denying he was in the house ?

Gee, I don’t know, self preservation?

 

[Sustained]

Gee, I don’t know, self preservation?

As opposed to lying on the stand and subjecting oneself to a felony perjury charge with a possible penalty of 20
years in Mass ?

 

[keek]

The problem isn’t speculation. It’s that the investigation never even considered the possibility that JOK went inside, despite clear reasons to check. If 10+ people who were in that house have a vested interest in denying he was ever there, their testimony alone isn’t definitive proof. That’s why crime scene investigations exist. But instead of investigating 34 Fairview as a potential scene, law enforcement took those statements at face value and built their case around them.

Meanwhile, we know JOK had injuries inconsistent with a hit-and-run, and no one has explained how he got them. If your position is that he must not have gone inside because no one admitted it, you’re taking witness testimony as gospel while ignoring the lack of forensic investigation. That’s not proof. That’s blind faith.

All MOO.

Hence, the audit that was strongly against Proctor.. He never went into the house JOK was found laying on the lawn of. He never went in and questioned the Albert homeowner, his friend, he never gathered the people standing around and brought to police station to be interviewed, recorded. He never investigated as a professional criminal investigator at all. He is fired, all for his neighbor buddies. The text from a person's mom was at trial, thanks, I'll give you a gift.. Lets never forget that and why, why???

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

What is the vested interest of the 10+ people denying he was in the house ?

How about saving one of their children or their friends’ child from being charged with murder? Not building a particle accelerator here. JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

What is the vested interest of the 10+ people denying he was in the house ?

The obvious answer is their freedom, but IMO, not only that. It’s about protecting their social standing, reputations, and livelihoods. If this group is indeed a boys club as has been alleged, they’re likely more concerned with preserving their collective image and avoiding fallout within their social or professional circles. They understand the implications of any involvement in a crime, and a public call to 911 could have immediately opened them up to a whole host of questions. Questions that might damage their relationships, careers, or reputations.

 

[keek]

Gee, I don’t know, self preservation?

Not going to prison for even manslaughter? THE list is long. Dog is the only one that has paid for it so far. To think it would of taken the one call to 911 to 34 FAIRVIEW.. all would be for naught at about 12:30 something A.M.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I still have second-hand embarrassment for him.
Yikes.
IMO.

He must have had all the variables and information that was hidden from ARRCA

 

[Sustained]

How about saving one of their children or their friends’ child from being charged with murder? Not building a particle accelerator here. JMO

With what evidence ?

 

[Sustained]

The obvious answer is their freedom, but IMO, not only that. It’s about protecting their social standing, reputations, and livelihoods. If this group is indeed a boys club as has been alleged, they’re likely more concerned with preserving their collective image and avoiding fallout within their social or professional circles. They understand the implications of any involvement in a crime, and a public call to 911 could have immediately opened them up to a whole host of questions. Questions that might damage their relationships, careers, or reputations.

See my previous comment on felony perjury.

 

[rescuemom]

Read the Independent Audit yourself.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...audit-released-read-the-full-report/3673278/[

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These are issues common and recommendations are the SOP for addressing them.

To imply something nefarious was going on is disingenuous….i do understand this is the defense attorney’s bread & butter and it works when the jurors have no understanding how things work.
That why prosecutors should expect it. The ability to explain in language an 8 year old can understand - that is a gift and hopefully those experts that testify can break it down & effectively communicate.