MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

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  • #881
The prosecution has several points they’re are relying on:
-Witness testimony of Karen allegedly either saying ‘I did it’ or ‘I hit him’ - However, Karen maintains she said ‘Did I hit him? Could I have hit him?’
-Broken taillight fragments matching Read’s SUV were found near John O’Keefe’s body, with some pieces reportedly containing his DNA (DNA evidence links Karen Read's car to death of police officer, prosecutors say) - However, chain of custody on the taillight pieces has led to major question regarding the integrity of the evidence.
-Motive: The prosecution suggests Karen has motive to kill John because she was angry with him regarding relationship issues and drunk.
-Kerry Robert’s testimony, who just testified yesterday, was a key point of trial 1. She says Karen called her and said ‘John is dead’ before anyone saw the body. The prosecution claims this is evidence that Karen was aware she had struck John.
-Timing: the prosecution claims the window of time where O’Keefe could have left the car and been fatally struck is consistent with their version of events.

What’s not in their favor:
-No one saw Karen hit John, and there’s no surveillance footage of the incident.
-No blood, hair, or tissue were found on Karen’s car.
-No tire marks, bumper damage, or body dents on the car that would be consistent with a fatal strike.
-John’s wounds can’t be said to certainly have been caused by a car strike
-The lead investigator, Proctor, was just dishonorably discharged and fired for misconduct.
A hair was found on the rear panel of the Lexus and tested to be consistent by mitochondrial DNA (95% confidence). The DNA found on the tail light housing was tissue residue and tested by nuclear DNA method to extreme confidence to match JOK.

As a matter of common sense, IMO, there is no specific level of vehicle damage that corresponds to "fatal strike" when the the fatal strike isn't with the vehicle itself but with a hard surface contacted by the back of the skull.

The prosecution is alleging more than a time window consistent with JOK's being struck. It will present data from the Lexus's own tracking information indicating the vehicle reversing for a significant distance at high speed. It will also present data from JOK's phone alleged to be consistent with JOK remaining in the same spot at which he exited KR's vehicle, for the rest of the night, on top of his phone.

The tail light pieces, though, are the case, IMO. If the snowstorm hadn't come along to bury them, the train of events we have witnessed would never have gotten rolling, because there would never have been a serious effort to deny the most evident significance of those pieces.
 
  • #882
Is it necessary to ask so many personal/background questions of the witnesses? Specifically, career history, address history, marital history etc.?
 
  • #883
Is it necessary to ask so many personal/background questions of the witnesses? Specifically, career history, address history, marital history etc.?
Not necessary but it postpones the inevitable. The humiliation of the CW case again. Maybe just maybe the truth will finally come out.
 
  • #884
Do we know why Karen and her dad went to John's house after he was hit?
 
  • #885
Does Brennen ever listen to the answers to his own questions???
 
  • #886
Do we know why Karen and her dad went to John's house after he was hit?
To pick up her clothes and personal items. They were in a relationship prior to his death
 
  • #887
Does Brennen ever listen to the answers to his own questions???
Wondering the same. KR (Kerry Roberts) had to tell him 3 times she took JO's dad to JO's house as he kept saying she took John's mom.
 
  • #888
Liar liar pants on fire…. Jmo
 
  • #889
Just wow @ Brennan and his definition of consciousness of guilt.
 
  • #890
If Hank Brennan watched Karen Read eat a bowl of Rice Krispies, how many examples of "consciousness of guilt" do you think he'd find?
 
  • #891
12 jurors agreed on Not Guilty on 2 charges

Do we actually know this to be a fact (all 12 jurors agree on this), or is this a pro-Read partisan assertion?
 
  • #892
Do we actually know this to be a fact (all 12 jurors agree on this), or is this a pro-Read partisan assertion?

It's the assertion of the defence based on a couple of jurors. There has been no voir dire of all 12 jurors to ascertain what each thought, nor will there ever be,
 
  • #893
Is it necessary to ask so many personal/background questions of the witnesses? Specifically, career history, address history, marital history etc.?
And here we go again….,
 
  • #894
This arrangement of testimony's by CW's witnesses is crazy !

We go from Nuttall the paramedic, to Kerry Roberts the driver and witness, to Peggy O'Keefe grieving mother, to now the Celibrite phone dude ( To state Jen McCabe never made the 2:27 am search " Hos long to die in the cold". ??????

sprinkled between the witnesses are 10 second media clips of KR speaking ( Taken completely out of context )

The defense is puzzled...as am I

Where's the beef? Brennan?
 
  • #895
You all are amazing. This is very helpful. I'm trying to figure out the case players now.
Is there a list of who is who in this case I can refer to?
Thanks again.
Tricia
 
  • #896
Do we know why Karen and her dad went to John's house after he was hit?
To see John’s family. This is when Karen says Paul said John ‘looked like he went five rounds with Tyson’
 
  • #897
You all are amazing. This is very helpful. I'm trying to figure out the case players now.
Is there a list of who is who in this case I can refer to?
Thanks again.
Tricia
A lot of information on this site
 
  • #898
Is the other female at the defense table the juror from the first trial that they added to their payroll?
 
  • #899
Do we actually know this to be a fact (all 12 jurors agree on this), or is this a pro-Read partisan assertion?
This has not been officially recognized by the court. But it is being claimed by the defense.

Five jurors have spoken to the defense and said that if they had understood the verdict form correctly, they would have acquitted on murder and leaving the scene of a collision causing death. Karen Read’s lawyers say a fifth juror has confirmed the jury was a unanimous ‘not guilty’ on murder charge

According to the defense/jurors, they were deadlocked on the motor vehicular manslaughter while driving under the influence. The jurors say they weren’t sure if they were allowed to inform the judge of the NG verdict on those two charges.
 
  • #900
Is the other female at the defense table the juror from the first trial that they added to their payroll?
NO. That is one of her regular attorneys Elizabeth Little.
 
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