MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[twhel]

There are several inaccuracies and things left out in your statements.
1) pig DNA. Firstly, many commercial brands of dog food contain pork.
Secondly, the forensic scientist who tested the swabs did not ever see John’s shirt, or test it directly. She was given swabs and had to trust they were from the areas of the shirt that the police said they were.
2) ‘Hos long’ claim - this point his highly contentious. Cellbrite didn’t testify based on Google server side logs, which are unable to be altered or changed by the user. They testified based on Jen’s local phone data. Google server side logs (provided by subpoena) show that the search DID happen at 2:27 AM. The CW is trying to intentionally conflate the second search that Jen unintentionally ‘made’ when she re-opened safari with the actual, unalterable, Google logs, which clearly show that the search happened at 2:27.

Would you have a link for your point 2? You had mentioned this previously and I reviewed the testimony with it in mind, but did not notice it being brought up, on direct or cross of Green, Whiffin or Hyde. Thank you.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Defense's constant repetition of prior testimony concerning KR speaking about hitting the victim will come at a real cost.
moo

Just wow!

It’s the central claim to Karen being indicted. It makes sense it’s a focal point.

 

[thebedbug]

If my wife didn't come home from a night out, I'd be out of my fricken mind. If I found her unconscious in the snow, I'd lose my mind. I guess I must've killed her..

I'm referring to everything KR did after she left JO and through her decision to gather up people to go driving around in a blizzard to "look for him."

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I'm referring to everything KR did after she left JO and through her decision to gather up people to go driving around in a blizzard to "look for him."

If she just went to bed then there'd be an issue with her doing that and not going to look for him. She can't win either way.

 

[Derph]

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[kuromiiiilove]

Would you have a link for your point 2? You had mentioned this previously and I reviewed the testimony with it in mind, but did not notice it being brought up, on direct or cross of Green, Whiffin or Hyde. Thank you.

Sure, what part? I can point you in the right direction to look at the testimony yourself. I did link in thread #19 for these things, so maybe take a look there?
-Cellbrite data: Ian Whifflin testified that his analysis was based on Cellbrite extraction of Jen’s phone.
-Defense: Richard Green testified that his analysis was based on Google’s search logs.

You can find on Cellbrite site the tools they’re able to use. You can also find from Google that their server side logs cannot be altered by a user once a search is made.

 

[Derph]

Another less than 5 hr workday...Again. This is gonna take 4 evevah!

 

[twhel]

Sure, what part? I can point you in the right direction to look at the testimony yourself. I did link in thread #19 for these things, so maybe take a look there?
-Cellbrite data: Ian Whifflin testified that his analysis was based on Cellbrite extraction of Jen’s phone.
-Defense: Richard Green testified that his analysis was based on Google’s search logs.

You can find on Cellbrite site the tools they’re able to use.

I reviewed Green's testimony and don't see it. On Lally's cross, Green defends his testimony from the contrary testimony of Whiffin by saying the same operating system wasn't used to test (because it wasn't available). Whiffin testified this made no difference and Green's defense came across as formalistic. This was also the only point I noticed Yannetti making on his cross of Whiffin. Nothing about Google server logs.

Hyde also supported Whiffin's testimony that the 2:27 timestamp didn't correspond to a search at all. Yannetti's cross of her was very brief (and nothing raised about Google logs). Thanks.

 

[keek]

Another less than 5 hr workday...Again. This is gonna take 4 evevah!
[/QUOTE IT WILLL. I need it to go to 8 pm.

 

[bobbymkii]

This trial has such a different vibe compaired to tge first one.

The main difference is that they now have a prosecutor who is actually attempting to convict the defendant of the charges they are on trial for.

Now, that and the following is very much JMO, but I genuinely don't believe Lally's goal in the first trial was to actually convince 12 jurors to unanimously convict KR of any of the charges she was on trial for and the goal was instead to grift out a mistrial and come back again with a special prosecutor and better lies. There is no way he genuinely thought 12 jurors, all 12 of them would be more convinced by Trooper Paul's evidence than they would be by "Crash Daddy" Wolfe and Dr Rentschler. He spent more time trying to poke holes in the defense's case than he did trying to prove his own.

So far, it doesn't look like it's going great. One of the few key witnesses to emerge from the first trial with any genuine credibility, Kerry Roberts, got decimated when she had to admit that (and I'm going to word this very carefully!) she told the grand jury something that wasn't true.

Again, very much JMO!

 

[Seattle1]

Not intentionally.

In any other court, what occurred today would be deemed perjury (by Roberts)!

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

In any other court, what occurred today would be deemed perjury (by Roberts)!

But the Honorable Judge Cannone helped her by completely ignoring it. JMO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Another less than 5 hr workday...Again. This is gonna take 4 evevah!

Honestly, that’s about all I can take. Brennan puts me to sleep!

 

[bobbymkii]

Honestly, that’s about all I can take. Brennan puts me to sleep!

He has significantly more energy than the prosecutor in the first trial had!

 

[arielilane]

January 3, 2025

Prosecutors have said the searches —”how long tie die in cikd” or “hos long to die in cold” — were done by McCabe at Read’s request after the body was found.

Prosecutors want Karen Read expert's 'debunked opinions' out of trial

Prosecutors argue in a motion that Richard Green's testimony is not based on fact and would only confuse the jury in Karen Read's retrial.

www.courttv.com

Now prosecutors are asking Judge Beverly Cannone to exclude Green from the second trial, arguing that his “claims lack any evidentiary support and … cannot be made in good faith.” In a motion filed on Dec. 31, prosecutors said that their expert, who works for Cellebrite, can “state with absolute certainty that there is no evidence” of the defense claims. Cellebrite is a company that provides technology that extracts data from cell phones for investigators. “The basis for Mr. Green’s contested opinions has been refuted not only by the Commonwealth’s independent experts,” prosecutors said, “but by Cellebrite itself who (sic) has removed the type of timestamp relied on by Mr. Green from Cellebrite’s Decoding Engine.”

 

[arielilane]

A little more about Mr. Green:

False 911 call

1. FALSE 911 CALL Statute: 365.172(14) MISDEMEANOR - 1ST DEGREE	09/23/2016	10/1/2016 OBTS:5211008022 Sequence:1 Control Number:SO1695391 Arresting Agency PINELLAS COUNTY SHERIFF		2/5/2018 NO TRIAL - PRE TRIAL DIVERSION
2. BATTERY; SIMPLE Statute: 784.03(1) MISDEMEANOR - 1ST DEGREE	09/23/2016	10/1/2016 OBTS:5211008022 Sequence:2 Control Number:SO1695391 Arresting Agency PINELLAS COUNTY SHERIFF
3. DISORDERLY INTOXICATION (PUBLIC PLACE) Statute: 856.011 MISDEMEANOR - 2ND DEGREE	09/23/2016	10/1/2016 OBTS:5211008022 Sequence:3 Control Number:SO1695391 Arresting Agency PINELLAS COUNTY SHERIFF

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[jepop]

One more thing I missed - ONE single strand of hair of JOK was found on the outside of KR’s vehicle. One hair is not compelling proof of impact. And I can’t find anything that said it had a root - which would indicate being plucked during a violent act. It was a natural shed. He could have leaned on the bumper of the car for a moment outside of the bar, for all we know. It’s definitely not a smoking gun.

ETA source on the single hair: Karen Read trial: Key updates, evidence from every day of testimony

I agree. Moo, the hair is a complete non starter. Yes, from memory it had no root. I'm sure this was why it took such a lot of extra testing to even identify it. Jmo, but see testimony of Valier I believe, plus I haven't read it but this info may be in your link.

John could have shed it himself some time that day/evening as you say, in the normal course of events. It's also possible KR herself innocuously transferred it there at some point on Jan 29th after JO's passing. Moo

She did, afterall, lie on him in her grief and horror trying to warm him, before attempting CPR with Kerry Roberts. She could have picked up a hair on her own person, which later fell off her clothing onto the Lexus Moo

Given alternative and imo far more reasonable explanations for the hair, I find CW's push for it being unassailable evidence of an impact, just like the presence of touch DNA but with no accompanying blood or skin (zero, none, zilch) underwhelming to put it mildly. Laughable to put it less mildly. Jmo

 

[arielilane]

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[jepop]

Honestly, that’s about all I can take. Brennan puts me to sleep!

Imo, he's no genius that's for sure.

 

[Seattle1]

January 3, 2025

Prosecutors have said the searches —”how long tie die in cikd” or “hos long to die in cold” — were done by McCabe at Read’s request after the body was found.

Prosecutors want Karen Read expert's 'debunked opinions' out of trial

Prosecutors argue in a motion that Richard Green's testimony is not based on fact and would only confuse the jury in Karen Read's retrial.

www.courttv.com

Now prosecutors are asking Judge Beverly Cannone to exclude Green from the second trial, arguing that his “claims lack any evidentiary support and … cannot be made in good faith.” In a motion filed on Dec. 31, prosecutors said that their expert, who works for Cellebrite, can “state with absolute certainty that there is no evidence” of the defense claims. Cellebrite is a company that provides technology that extracts data from cell phones for investigators. “The basis for Mr. Green’s contested opinions has been refuted not only by the Commonwealth’s independent experts,” prosecutors said, “but by Cellebrite itself who (sic) has removed the type of timestamp relied on by Mr. Green from Cellebrite’s Decoding Engine.”

This means nothing -- this Motion is only another 'selective' allegation by the CW that failed!

Karen Read case: Judge hears arguments about expert’s testimony on ‘how long to die in cold’ search

The Karen Read case returned to court Friday with arguments made over a digital forensics expert hired by the defense.

www.yahoo.com

1/31/25

Defense attorney Robert Alessi argued that Green is qualified to make claims and that he used five different tools to come to his conclusion.

“To me, it’s rather odd right off the jump that there’s no challenge to five other areas of data forensics and there’s just this challenge to one aspect of his whole testimony and opinions,” Alessi said.

The prosecution wants a special hearing with Green and an expert from the Commonwealth who can explain the science and methodology of the Google search made on McCabe’s phone.

The defense says there is no need for the special hearing because the experts agree on the methodology, but that they will testify to having a difference of opinion. They also pointed out that more than 4,000 searches were made on McCabe’s phone with only one deletion.