MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[jepop]

Yes, there is so much reasonable doubt sprinkled everywhere in this case due to the the totally fubar investigation. So I am team NG all the way just on that.

From the first trial I am a total NG even without reasonable doubt thrown in.

The testimony from Arca that NO vehicle hit John. The dog bites / how did the blood run down his shirt as well as the vomit get into his pants if he was just lying down dead instantaneously on the lawn? And so much more.....

I came to this case as a local thinking she was guilty but found quite the opposite.

Lots of common sense needed here and the ability to be clear on what is real and what is make believe.

JMO

All of that and more. I'm with you as are many others.

 

[jepop]

Didn't anyone put a coat on top of him to try to warm him up?

Evidence from last trial, Karen and Kerry used blankets and placed them under him from memory and Karen tried to immediately warm him by laying on top of him. Nothing but genuine reactions by all accounts of witnesses and first responder dash cam audio, and audio in background of Jen MCabe's call to 911 where she mentions a 'guy" is recumbent on the lawn. You can hear a distraught KR in the background. But of course, everyone can listen to the audios I mentioned and decide for themselves. Moo

Ebm grammar

 

[Oakland CA]

I am curious... How many of you believe that Karen Read is guilty? And how many of you believe that something else happened that night?

I believe she's guilty but the jury won't.

 

[jepop]

I hit him is not an admission, it was her instant ASSUMPTION. Worked great for some, very unfortunate for truth, justice, a professional and non corrupt investigation and especially KR and JO'K.

I agree. It is so not an admission. KR could not know what had happened at that time . Moo, naturally, as she did care deeply for John O'Keefe imo, she was in shock and questioning what could have happened. We know Imo she could not really remember much from the night before. The CW cannot imo prove BARD that KR's statements mean she knows she hit him. And anyway, as we know from the autopsy report and the basic physics of impact forces, JOK was not hit by a vehicle. KR ofcourse did not know that on the morning her partner died. Moo

 

[Angelwatch]

I am curious... How many of you believe that Karen Read is guilty? And how many of you believe that something else happened that night?

I watched the first trial. I am solidly not guilty. Will be interested to hear the new evidence, but I doubt my mind could be changed. JOK's arm is so clearly caused by a dog. Definitely no car did that.

 

[mrjitty]

The focus on battery temperature shows how Lally totally missed a trick to show the phone was always outside and always with the victim

The CW will attempt to prove JOK exited the vehicle, checked his final message, locked his phone - then 7secs later is the impact and the phone never moves again. And being outside, the battery temperature steadily drops.

if this can be established, it seems to establish JOK and his phone were always together.

I think that will put the D in a tough place for any inside the house version.

MOO

 

[keek]

I watched the first trial. I am solidly not guilty. Will be interested to hear the new evidence, but I doubt my mind could be changed. JOK's arm is so clearly caused by a dog. Definitely no car did that.

Especially when you have seen the medical photographs of other dog bites on a person's arm.. SAME. , Large dog jumping up for the arm, arm trying to ward off dog. Horrible. The small point parts from the teeth through the shirt to the skin, the tear bit downwards. Claw nail points. The shirt had the teeth points and claw nail points through the shirt, inside on the arm is where it showed the dragging down by the teeth and claws. The visual to me. This was also explained as such by the person that was the dog bite expert as well. IMO

 

[Angelwatch]

As far as Nuttal's testimony goes, he comes across to me as a competent medic. His misremembering the puffy doesn't bother me. That he can be pressured to change his recollection about hearing I hit him three times from twice is more bothersome, but I'm not sure that I would discard his testimony if I was a juror. I think Karen said "could I have hit him" or "did I hit him" and in the chaos of the situation, Nuttal heard I hit him.

I'm so curious what the jurors are thinking right now.

 

[arielilane]

Excellent opening by Attorney Brennan. Exceeded my expectations. Science and data, exactly what a jury wants.

CW: Concise, truth.
Defense: Story telling - lies - Jurors dont like to be lied to.

Defense opening nothing but lies. No surprise there, did not disappoint.

Also, Jackson, no need to yell at the jury during opening and no need to try to discredit a witness that saves lives for a living.

Defense weak lawyering - the type to question witnesses as if they’re the defendant. Beating up the witness not a good look. Give it up, Jackson.

Apparently, defense plan is same as 1st trial beating up the witnesses.

Remember Karen Read is the only defendant on trial and she is accused of killing John O'Keefe and leaving him to die in the snow. Period.

It’s been established by Karen Read herself that she said: "I hit him, I hit him" I hit him, doesnt matter how many times she said it. It's been confirmed by her she said it. She's changed her story so many times, hard to keep up.

and…

"I didn’t think I hit him, hit him but could I have clipped him? Could Ive tagged him in the knee and incapacitated him, he didn’t look mortally wounded as far as I could see but could I have done something that knocked him out in his drunkenness and in the cold didn’t come to again."


matter of opinion

 

[angelainwi]

I watched the first trial and I am a FIRM not guilty.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Before last year’s trial I was in the guilty camp. When I saw testimony from the people involved that night I totally changed my mind. I can’t believe this case is actually being retried.

 

[LvsAMystry]

I am curious... How many of you believe that Karen Read is guilty? And how many of you believe that something else happened that night?

I believe she is not guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There are too many factors that point to it being plausible either way on top of a botched investigation. As an added bonus I’m from Canton, MA and thus know it’s entirely plausible something else happened that night. Interpret that how you will.

 

[arielilane]

Special ADA Brennan busted Jackson trying to mislead the jury with timing of the videos on cross of first witness. moo

 

[mrjitty]

As far as Nuttal's testimony goes, he comes across to me as a competent medic. His misremembering the puffy doesn't bother me. That he can be pressured to change his recollection about hearing I hit him three times from twice is more bothersome, but I'm not sure that I would discard his testimony if I was a juror. I think Karen said "could I have hit him" or "did I hit him" and in the chaos of the situation, Nuttal heard I hit him.

I'm so curious what the jurors are thinking right now.

I tend to agree re the jacket. Would you accurately remember jacket vs no jacket when you respond to so many incidents?

 

[arielilane]

Defense strategy: Cheat in order to win their case. Shameful. Just like the first trial. Did not disappoint, again! moo

 

[nodamselindistress]

I think the point was that his memory was not as he claimed it to be. AT ALL.

 

[arielilane]

Yes, medic doing his job. KR staging a crime scene. moo

 

[mrjitty]

For me the exact phrasing from Read is not so important as her openness to the idea she did hit him. I have a hard time believing the defence rationalisation of that.

 

[dlsully62]

I agree. It is so not an admission. KR could not know what had happened at that time . Moo, naturally, as she did care deeply for John O'Keefe imo, she was in shock and questioning what could have happened. We know Imo she could not really remember much from the night before. The CW cannot imo prove BARD that KR's statements mean she knows she hit him. And anyway, as we know from the autopsy report and the basic physics of impact forces, JOK was not hit by a vehicle. KR ofcourse did not know that on the morning her partner died. Moo

I'm sorry. Please humor me. What is Moo?

 

[dlsully62]

I'm sorry. Please humor me. What is Moo?

OH!!! My own opinion?