MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[SteveS]

What I continually wrestle with in my mind is why didnt the P ring up the ARCCA people themselves. They had the document from ARCCA first. You can see they are experts by their cases /credentials etc.
I know the report countered their belief but have a discussion with them try to understand why they came to their conclusion. Science deniers?
Were they just looking to close out their case or get to the truth/ Justice for John?
Thats a rhetorical question
JMO

Why didn't the cw embrace the ARCCA tests? Because it contradicts what they want to do. The whole town - heck, the whole nation - is seeing a crooked investigator, shoddy investigation, obvious suspects ignored, and a judge with clear bias all hard at work here to lynch an innocent person in order to cover up what really happened. imo

However, I don't think there's any way that ARCCA's evidence can be kept out of court, and while JudgeB is allowing a hearing, I don't think there's any real thought by her that ARCCA would be prevented from testifying. The cw has been on a fishing expedition to try to find some excuse to keep them from testifying, starting from day 1, and this is just another variation of the same imo. This time it's "they texted with each other" which of course is not illegal at all. Fishing fishing fishing.

Everything the cw has been doing is sooooooooo fishy. We all are seeing that, even though the cw is working hard to bury the truth. This is just more of same.

 

[rescuemom]

I’d like to know what the jury members are thinking. Prosecution SEEMS to be doing a good job painting KR as an outspoken, stubborn, clingy girlfriend with a bad temper and a penchant for alcohol.

Possibly the defense will pick and choose their own clips to counter what the CW ridiculously is trying to insinuate. Possibly KR will testify. I know she could hold her own against the wondrous Hank. He does not impress me.

 

[rescuemom]

She came across very poorly in those IMO.

JOKs mother was nothing like I expected.

 

[PamCake]

The prosecution did a poor job of showing the limited data ARCCA had and just how tight the parameters of their testing was.

IMO

The limited data and tight parameters make their conclusions even MORE believable in my opinion.

 

[Forest_Wood]

“Not the people that I know. Everybody knows that she’s absolutely innocent,” the neighbor said.“

Very interesting. I would have thought the neighbor's considered her guilty IMO, sticking by the Alberts.

 

[PamCake]

So, cover for dog hair in their car?

That's who Chloe was with.

 

[mrjitty]

Brennan is well aware ARCCA will be testifying. He has said the same, and the Judge has ordered it. That is not with this is about.

He is looking for anything to impeach their independence on X.

For instance, unlike in T1, he will be able to ask Dr Wolfe if he was paid by the D for the trial work. He will be able to ask about the discussion of trial testimony in the March 2024 correspondence.

IMO he is looking at the texts because apparently they take place before the February 2024 Touhy production. Unless I misunderstood Alessi, this means the D were already conversing with ARCCA in 2023, but how did the defence know about the ARCCA work before the Touhy production?

This is what the Judge wants to understand. If the texts showed collaboration then the Judge might allow X on that for example. If on the other hand they are mundane, then nothing will happen. If the texts are from 2023 AND ARCCA also deleted, I suspect the Judge will be big mad.

In any event, I think Brennan wants to be able to argue on X that ARCCA are not really independent - but he needs more evidence of it.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

ETA I watched that docuseries thing. Her attorneys are smart. They must have a reason for letting her do those, though I’m not sure why.

I watched in its entirety the 1st trial as an 'outsider' knowing nothing about the case or participants, just from the headlines that a woman killed her Boston cop boyfriend. For me these docus/videos were helpful to see her 'in action'. I've said many times that KR would not be someone I would or could call a friend. We wouldn't click but she does not deserve to be a scapegoat or be convicted of a murder she, IMO did not commit.

She has been critcized and her privacy has been invaded to the point of ridicule. Her med issues MS and IBS ridiculed, and learning she was on her period that night. Disgusting. In many trials the perp is totally protected with little to no info about them. Not here the more the better. She, IMO is a victim too.

She is an educated, accomplished woman on her own who entered a relationship with a man who cared for two children and who by testimony helped take care of these kids to his criticism and lack of appreciation. That makes me wonder who was John Okeefe besides being a Boston cop??

I am not victim shaming/blaming because he absolutely did not deserve what happened to him. We can only hear from friends who did not live with him on a daily basis. Do we know anything else about him? Was he someone who could commit to a relationship and treat a partner with respect and/or appreciation??? Did someone have it in for him and if so why?? Just an example.

To me, this situation turned out to be a perfect storm for someone or some reason and I do not think that on a particular night it was for KR to kill her boyfriend. All JMO.

Money Money Money -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915559801184280622

Her lawyer reached out and made a proposal

 

[keek]

JOKs mother was nothing like I expected.

First trial reactions to Proctor reading the texts, the ones he wrote, gross, she was enjoying it, laughing and talking to the person next to her. POOR. I had my thoughts on her right then and then this trial she was on the stand, verbal. IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Cops usually have rotating shifts and utilize the above to be able to sleep during the day. It becomes routine,

Brian Albert was not the only person in the home that morning though. There were at least 3 people and 1 dog. We can say he was drunk and sleeping in or still passed out, windows blacked out, fans on, music on, and so on, however, none of that makes sense with all that was going on and the noise from outside that morning, especially for a first responder working as a cop and trained in combat. His sense of hearing would be astute to unnatural sounds to alert him to danger. But even if he was sleeping, the others didn't hear anything either? And JMc opened the door, rushed into the house, ran up the stairs, barging into their room "in a panic" yet never encountered their dog. Where was the dog who slept right beside them in their room?

 

[RatFace]

The homeowner was exhausted and asleep

And still drunk.

 

[keek]

And still drunk.

..and hiding. He def was watching from somewhere in that house. HIS job is stealth, gangs. Was.

 

[rescuemom]

In yesterday's and today's testimony from the ambulance crew.

Today's:

that's what the EMTs said that she said. If the defense had a chance to cross, it might be explained.

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's who Chloe was

Published works, here we go "impact crash testing were reviewed", "presents an analysis", "analysis of peak lumbar load data collected from the existing peer-reviewed literature ", "several studies have been conducted", etc, etc.

Doesn't look like he actually did his own testing with every variable and circumstance imaginable and that he has piggy-backed on the work of others??

Why wasn't ARCAA, considered to be a preimminent investigatory company not good enough for the Norfolk Couny, Mass DA office??? Sounds like they expert shopped. Insane.

Imo
Because there’s a very sketchy relationship between the defense & ARCCA

The prosecution found a far better expert imo

 

[keek]

..and hiding. He def was watching from somewhere in that house. HIS job is stealth, gangs. Was.

He was not your drive around in the car or patrol cop. He retired after this. He had years of being however he needed to be. There is info out there, he knew and knows what to do, who the players were and CPD, where his brother is an officer there. He was NOT going to have JO found in any condition in HIS house, he knew and he knew a way to dispose but it turned into what there is now due to timing of KR coming that morning looking for J>O> ALL timing in so much of this, along with plenty of other things. HE knows what to do and so did Higgins, their careers and mindsets taught them that and connections and favors.

 

[SteveS]

Brennan is well aware ARCCA will be testifying. He has said the same, and the Judge has ordered it. That is not with this is about.

He is looking for anything to impeach their independence on X.

For instance, unlike in T1, he will be able to ask Dr Wolfe if he was paid by the D for the trial work. He will be able to ask about the discussion of trial testimony in the March 2024 correspondence.

IMO he is looking at the texts because apparently they take place before the February 2024 Touhy production. Unless I misunderstood Alessi, this means the D were already conversing with ARCCA in 2023, but how did the defence know about the ARCCA work before the Touhy production?

This is what the Judge wants to understand. If the texts showed collaboration then the Judge might allow X on that for example. If on the other hand they are mundane, then nothing will happen. If the texts are from 2023 AND ARCCA also deleted, I suspect the Judge will be big mad.

In any event, I think Brennan wants to be able to argue on X that ARCCA are not really independent - but he needs more evidence of it.

MOO

While I think you have described this hearing fairly accurately, I think you are misreading the ramifications of this hearing.

It needs to be undestood that this hearing is NOT meant to offer up things to later be presented in the trial itself, but rather to dispose of those issues in advance, of how ARCCA came to do testing for this case, without burdening the jury to have to hear and deal with the issue.

That issue will get decided in the hearing AND that genesis will be how ARCCA as a company (or set of experts) is presented to the jury. But then ARCCA's work (and superior expertise in such things) will be allowed to be presented, as the experts they are. They ARE used by FBI and other govt people a lot, because they are so elite. That can now be made apparent.

One other thing that I would suspect will happen in T2 that we did not see in T1. In the original, ARCCA used a very limited set of data, merely testing the physics of car and injuries and whether they aligned. I would wager that in the interim, ARCCA has been asked to also look at, to test, and then be prepared to testify to the specifics of THIS case and how those can alter their conclusions (if at all).

I actually expect ARCCA's evidence to be even more compelling this time around, and more damning to Proctor, and the prosec as a whole, because it will be fully unleashed.

 

[Spectrix]

Because there’s a very sketchy relationship between the defense & ARCCA

The prosecution found a far better expert imo

I'm looking forward to this fellow trying to explain how JOK managed to be hit by a 6000 pound Lexus without suffering any injuries consistent with being hit by a 6000 pound Lexus.

 

[Forest_Wood]

You are so right. But why would they just put him in front of the house like an advertisement….I would think they’d come up with a better idea to cover up if that’s what really happened …

But what would they come up with? How would they get rid of a 6 ft body? They are a family of cops and their friends are cops. Everybody in that town know them. If their vehicle was observed driving anywhere (and their vehicle was observed BTW directly in front of where the body was found around 03:30), how would they explain to anyone they knew/ran into where they going in a so-called blizzard? And where would they dump him? Maybe they did attempt to take him away, because the Ford Edge was right there. Maybe the plan changed at some point and made a new decision to just dump him near their road and explain later a plow must have hit him or he just passed out after leaving their home and caused his own injury. But KR came along hung over and hysterical, inadvertently blowing their brilliant plan away. And then there's Brian Higgins. Maybe he threw the blow that killed JOK. Where was he from the time he left the afterparty (the same time as JOK's arrival) and the time he got to the police station? There's one hour unaccounted for with him. And why did he go to the police station after a day/night of drinking on his day off? And those "butt dials" at 2:30ish in the morning...
MOO.

 

[ShadyLady]

He was not your drive around in the car or patrol cop. He retired after this. He had years of being however he needed to be. There is info out there, he knew and knows what to do, who the players were and CPD, where his brother is an officer there. He was NOT going to have JO found in any condition in HIS house, he knew and he knew a way to dispose but it turned into what there is now due to timing of KR coming that morning looking for J>O> ALL timing in so much of this, along with plenty of other things. HE knows what to do and so did Higgins, their careers and mindsets taught them that and connections and favors.

Yet, claimed he did not know how his cell phone worked....haha!

 

[Wishbone]

Imo
Because there’s a very sketchy relationship between the defense & ARCCA

The prosecution found a far better expert imo

I will reserve my opinion of this“expert” when and after I hear his testimony. I believe that is the prudent thing to do. I am wondering if he has actually done any of his own testing or is using others input he has read about. JMOO