MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Forest_Wood]

Says Kerry

Yes! Who was caught in her "misunderstanding" of two key points. So sweet, kind and loving she is, it will never be considered perjury IMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

To further the fantasy anyone who owns a dog or cat will tell you that is impossible to enter the home of a pet owner and not get some of the pets hair on you, it is even less likely you can avoid getting canine Hair and DNA on you if you are bitten and mauled by the animal and roll around on the floor after getting punched out.

The absence of canine DNA on JO makes it a virtual certainty that he never set foot in that house.

Molecular characterization of the canine mitochondrial DNA control region for forensic applications - PubMed

The Revolution of Animal Genomics in Forensic Sciences - PMC

To me the most telling piece of "evidence" is that the defense has never sent his shirt for their own Canine DNA testing or asked to have a bite impression done of the dog to compare to the images. Imagine if they had and the defense found Chloe's DNA on that shirt or the teeth lined up perfectly... case closed its a conspiracy.

forensic testing of John O'Keefe's clothing in the Karen Read trial did detect pig DNA,
A forensic expert, Teri Kun from UC Davis Veterinary Lab, stated that the pig DNA could have originated from food, including dog treats.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Yes! Who was caught in her "misunderstanding" of two key points. So sweet, kind and loving she is, it will never be considered perjury IMO.

Even Cannone called her Mrs. McCabe since we know who is actually the Director here.

 

[rescuemom]

I think its great they are playing the tapes. Ianal but ...I am finding some ( I have not seen all of them all ) prejudical with no evidentiary value. It could well create appellate issues. And I am all for those in the unlikely event the jury gets it wrong.

Its odd to me that you cannot say that the FBI requisitioned the ARCCA study in front of the jurors bc its too predjudical but this stuff isn't ?

Also I had a thought about John's sneakers. It's always bothered me that one sneaker was not on his foot. Well all the fuss by Brennan again about him being Mr Neat and a stickler for taking shoes off in his house ...made me think he probably did the same thing at Fairview. Took his shoes off on the way in. Habit.
And then of course Its really hard to get a sneaker/shoe on someone else's foot who is passed out.
The sneaker very likely fell off when he was brought out to the lawn - to the very same area where the Ford Edge was parked earlier that morning. Lucky saw the Ford Edge parked right in front of the space where John was found. ( Another Proctor miss never interviewing Lucky).
I think the "boys" wanted to make it look like John had been hit by the plow. Lucky dodged a bullet it seems when they settled on "the girl" as the perp.

John likely went in the front door( he had never been to the house before) and then took the stairs to the right of the door down to the man cave/weight room. Maybe there was a playful sucker punch gone wrong etc . And it went from there. Not intentional but an alcohol fueled narrative ensued. Poor choices all around and here we are.

JMO

Re: the Ford Edge??? I have seen very little if anything discussed about this car appearing between the snow plow times on the 2 passes. Whose was it and why was it not there at 2:30am and then it was there at 3:30am and not when body was discoverd around 6 am?? Has this been addressed?? What is the info on that event??

 

[waldojabba]

For example.

My first thought after calling 911 would have been OMG what happened to him. I wonder if anyone else is hurt inside the house - chaos all around - just a mess - and who actually really knows what happened - despite the KR theatrics

At the very least … A member of LE lives inside this house and on his lawn is a mortally wounded member of LE … whatever happened to helping a fellow “brother”?
There is no way the Alberts did not hear the commotion.

It seems the other code of “brotherhood” among LE , shielding a fellow officer from accountability, the cop inside the house, was perhaps at play. Reference Proctors text.

Remember, John was not in the inner circle with Higgins and Albert or Proctor. He’d never been to Albert’s house. And Karen questioned if they were even invited back for the party.

And yes, if that body had been on my lawn in Norfolk County, the same county as Canton, the cops would have been at my door immediately and probably also around back - could have even called it a wellness check.

Either way I’m letting them in - not even thinking about a warrant bc there is nothing for me to hide.

And I’m prob already outside anyway in my pjs along with my neighbors to see if I can help. It’s a neighborhood not some big anonymous city.

JMO.

 

[rescuemom]

Jurors in Karen Read murder retrial visit Canton home where John O’Keefe was found dead - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News

CANTON, MASS. (WHDH) - The jurors in the Karen Read murder retrial left the courthouse Friday to view the Canton house where victim John O’Keefe<a class="excerpt-read-more" href="https://whdh.com/news/jurors-in-karen-read-murder-retrial-visit-canton-home-where-john-okeefe-was-found-dead/">Read...

whdh.com

From the article

“At the scene, a neighbor was stuck behind a police roadblock. Everyone was kept 100 yards away from the home while the jury was present.

When asked about the general consensus on Read’s case, the neighbor said he doesn’t know people who are “split” on the issue.

“Not the people that I know. Everybody knows that she’s absolutely innocent,” the neighbor said.“

I wonder where that neighbor was on 'that' night. I have not seen any interviews from local papers about/after 'that' night. I'm sure there could be some interesting observations from the neighbors, LE or not.

 

[rescuemom]

So here’s a court tv interview with a neighbor of Fairview - he mentions friends of his being bit by Chloe / I’m not sure if it’s the same person you reference

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915941104949858317

Now that is common sense!!

 

[Linda7NJ]

forensic testing of John O'Keefe's clothing in the Karen Read trial did detect pig DNA,
A forensic expert, Teri Kun from UC Davis Veterinary Lab, stated that the pig DNA could have originated from food, including dog treats.

Since John O’Keefe didn’t own a dog, I would guess it was from human food.
If it came from a dog’s mouth, I would expect to see DOG DNA
As far as I know, they don’t have wild feral hogs in canton
all IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Re: the Ford Edge??? I have seen very little if anything discussed about this car appearing between the snow plow times on the 2 passes. Whose was it and why was it not there at 2:30am and then it was there at 3:30am and not when body was discoverd around 6 am?? Has this been addressed?? What is the info on that event??

Snow plow dude changed his testimony many times. The prosecutor failed to drive this point home during the first trial.
IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Who said he wrestled with Chloe? She bit, clawed and hung on to his arm while JOK was bleeding, vomiting and then killed by a separate blow to the back of the head....by the looks of it.

So he just held his arm out there? Didn’t try to fight off the dog with the other arm & hand?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Snow plow dude changed his testimony many times. The prosecutor failed to drive this point home during the first trial.
IMO

All the prosecutor would need to do is to go directly to the admin of the snowplow authority (city office?) and get the records. Simple solution.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Since John O’Keefe didn’t own a dog, I would guess it was from human food.
If it came from a dog’s mouth, I would expect to see DOG DNA
As far as I know, they don’t have wild feral hogs in canton
all IMO

The Albert's owned a dog. A big Shepherd who I bet loved to chew on dog treats like big pig ears. Chloe also liked to chew on neighbors and other dogs. That's why they got rid of her. IMO she tasted John Okeefes arm too.

 

[Lamima]

The Albert's owned a dog. A big Shepherd who I bet loved to chew on dog treats like big pig ears. Chloe also liked to chew on neighbors and other dogs. That's why they got rid of her. IMO she tasted John Okeefes arm too.

Could also be from him maybe eating BBQ that night. And there was ZERO dog DNA.

 

[rescuemom]

There was ZERO probable cause to get a warrant to search that house

Apparently not if you are an Albert in Canton Massachusetts

 

[waldojabba]

I understand the “grand conspiracy” is interesting & fun to toy with, Imagining all sorts of far fetched excuses & scenarios.

Then lots of people got caught up and listen to & believed TB.
Many deny it.
They were propagandized, many are now seeing through the smoke & mirrors of the defense & many never will. It’s hard to admit when you’ve been duped.

Hopefully, this trial
ARCCA will be decimated on their shotty report. The defense got lucky last time, the prosecutor didn’t have the sense to get an PhD expert.
The car data this go around is way more robust as more of it was retrieved.
As is the phone data.
That’s gonna narrow & pin down the timeline

Hank is an exceptional attorney and he has the truth in his side.

All IMO

TA is a non factor in the trial. I have never read anything by him etc. It’s “noise and drama”. Neither interest me.
It’s what aboutism and look over there not here.
Edit to add : I am certainly open to a new expert other than poor trooper Paul about the reconstruction of what might have occurred. We owe it to John to look for the truth. I disagree with your shoddy description of ARCCA.
But the new people may prove me wrong we’ll have to wait and see won’t we?
JMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

So he just held his arm out there? Didn’t try to fight off the dog with the other arm & hand?

I can say when a Shepherd took hold of my arm while knocking on my friends door, I did what I had learned to do in an attack. Stay very still, don't pull your arm in any direction because you would be ripping flesh. I'm sure police are trained the same way when it comes to dog attacks or you can shoot it. It was super painful. My friend got to me in 3 minutes and called the dog off. My arm was bruised for three weeks. I was lucky.

Could also be from him maybe eating BBQ that night. And there was ZERO dog DNA.

I just discovered that all dog bites and claw scratches don't always leave DNA. I hope the defense expert witness testify to this. Here's the forensic science article .https://www.dovepress.com/forensic-studies-of-dog-attacks-on-humans-a-focus-on-bite-mark-analysi-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-RRFMS

Could also be from him maybe eating BBQ that night. And there was ZERO dog DNA.

Could also be from him maybe eating BBQ that night. And there was ZERO dog DNA.

 

[rescuemom]

I thought that JMc DID go into the house minutes after finding JO - as seen from the patrol car camera (dash cam). IIRC, D pointed this out in Trial 1 - while KR was walking back and forth and EMTs working on JO, JMc slipped away from the scene and walked into the house. Correct me if I’m wrong here!

You are right

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I think JOK could have been punched by someone in the basement which knocked him out, hit the back of his head on something hard as he fell and then Chloe attacked him. Or she could have attacked him because he was a stranger, he stumbled and hit his head. They panicked because dog bites are the homeowner’s responsibility and they took him outside. If they were innocent of anything they wouldn’t have hid in the house while cops and paramedics were outside.

 

[rescuemom]

The homeowner was exhausted and asleep

or a coward

 

[rescuemom]

Prove to me she didn’t

If you think she is a falling down, black out drunk upon arriving at JOKs house , when and how did she do this?? was there proof of camera being disabled or the file missing. She left his house about 5am and didn't return until she left the hospital to retreive her personal items and car. Which btw had an intact cracked tail light when it was put on a flat bed trailer at her parents house as testified to by tow truck driver.