MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[keek]

Maybe it's just me and I would say that I'm well mannered, I would never ask the FBI to leave and come back. Who does that?

Can you imagine?????????? I WANTED to ask the apt. handymen who arrived without notice in the dark, to deliver my new stove, but nooo, of course not! I knew they'd be a while setting and hooking it up etc. but um, not going to say, can you come tomorrow about 11 am > I'd be much more happier and ready.. NOT comparison I'm sure, but THE GALL. I am surprised they agreed!

 

[DustysMom]

Thanks - I’ll start there.

Interesting tidbit—. Under cross, day 15 trial 1, JM says (rather was forced to admit was by AJ) that she didn’t see Chloe when she woke up NA/BA. Right after that, AJ segues into some parenting GPS type app and when her daughter arrived home - leading her to say that her daughter was the last person to leave 34F.

 

[shotgun09]

Matt McCabe, he of the " Tell them he never came in to the house" text to a group of McCabes and Alberts. There was much collusion, IMO.

 

[clearskies1]

Yes! I was curious about that bit of cross. Every time AJ brought up Matt McCabe, the CW objected. But then when AJ said something like ‘So why did you call them back?’, Jen then offered up that her husband told her that she had just lied to the authorities, and that she needed to call them back. Interestingly, the CW also tried to cut JM off mentioning her husband Matt, but at that point, Judge Cannone stated that since JM had brought it up herself, it could remain on the record.

I think it may be because of a marital privilege. Can't be forced to testify about convos with spouse.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Matt McCabe, he of the " Tell them he never came in to the house" text to a group of McCabes and Alberts. There was much collusion, IMO.

Maybe this is why the CW absolutely did NOT want Matt’s name brought up yesterday.. hmm. MOO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I think it may be because of a marital privilege. Can't be forced to testify about convos with spouse.

That’s fair! And that makes sense why when Jen brings him up of her own accord, Judge Cannone allows it.

 

[shotgun09]

Wonder who will be doing cross exam on Matt McCabe? I can take a guess.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Dont trust the system. Trust the facts, data, and science, they dont lie.
Trial one wasn't executed methodically, but ADA Lally was up against so much. My opinion.

"Up against so much"? Like what, exactly? It's the prosecution's burden to prove their case.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I really hope the jury takes note of the looks and words of disgust JMc has when she’s talking about Karen’s behaviour at the scene. Karen behaved emotionally and frantically like any normal partner would. Not even a partner, just a normal human being would. She would have been so much smarter if she had showed compassion to Karen in this situation instead of disgust at how she was screaming and yelling.

On another note, I’ve been watching a few YouTube videos by former cops and lawyers watching this case. Haven’t yet found one that is against KR.

 

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[mzmarymac]

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On another note, I’ve been watching a few YouTube videos by former cops and lawyers watching this case. Haven’t yet found one that is against KR.

I follow a lady on tiktok who asks her ICU doctor husband questions about the case and he answers them. He's great. Thoughtful, not invested in the case, just cooking dinner and answering her questions. The one answer that stood out to me was he said "that man wasn't hit by that car."

 

[HarmonyE.]

On another note, I’ve been watching a few YouTube videos by former cops and lawyers watching this case. Haven’t yet found one that is against KR.

Some of the YT attorneys did try to start out completely neutral (Emily D. Baker - the BEST - and the Lawyer You Know come to mind) and just watch the trial as it unfolded but ended up 100% on the Not Guilty side as it unfolded.

I've not ever seen anything like this before. And most of these people are wicked smahht, as some folks in Dedham might say....

 

[lohrtabitha]

I found this little piece talking about probable cause of searching the Albert House. Most of us in the forum already knew the house should have been searched .
FOR MP- Did I cover it up? Could I have covered it up?

Q: Why is having a dead body on the property/front lawn not considered probable cause to search the home?

Peter Elikann, criminal defense attorney: I say there’s probable cause to the 10th power. I mean, somebody’ s expected at a party at that house, the next morning they see his body in front of the house on a lawn. That’s enough. Was there anything going on in the house? How about the people inside? And if there was any question in the police officer’s mind, he could’ve gone and gotten a search warrant and been back in 45 mins. That is absolutely probable cause.

Your questions about the Karen Read trial, answered

The highly-publicized Karen Read murder trial has drawn attention across the globe. Read is accused of striking her Boston police officer boyfriend, John O’Keefe, with her SUV and leaving him for dead in a snowbank. O’Keefe died in Canton, Massachusetts, on Jan. 29, 2022. Prosecutors say Read...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[Pyrite]

I really hope the jury takes note of the looks and words of disgust JMc has when she’s talking about Karen’s behaviour at the scene. Karen behaved emotionally and frantically like any normal partner would. Not even a partner, just a normal human being would. She would have been so much smarter if she had showed compassion to Karen in this situation instead of disgust at how she was screaming and yelling.

On another note, I’ve been watching a few YouTube videos by former cops and lawyers watching this case. Haven’t yet found one that is against KR.

Just an fyi, but The Prosecutor’s podcast/YouTube channel is on the guilty side.

 

[Warwick7]

Following and trusting facts, data and science, I can conclude that there is enough reasonable doubt in this case for an elephant to pass through. I also believe there are enough facts that some of the players were up to some pretty sketchy stuff. Drinking and driving, destruction of phones, texts, calls, butt dials, rush to judgment and completely unprofessionalism by many in LE which created an investigation with blinders on only looking at KR. And that is just from court. I've read enough about the shenanigans of many of these players and backgrounds to let me know that some of them are extremely dangerous and violent. Karen? Not so much. Not a blemish on the record of a successful independent business woman and professor.

Boom!! BAM!!

Here's my take on facts:

1. Karen and John arrive at the Albert’s at 12:23/12:24.

2. The vehicle that came to get Julie Nagel arrives at the same time and multiple people in the car state they were there for at least 5-6 minutes.

3. It takes roughly 6 minutes to get from the Albert’s to John’s home.

4. KR connects to O’Keefe’s Wi-Fi at 12:36

5. The missing Canton library footage is 12:37-12:39

6. Jennifer McCabe said she saw Read’s vehicle drive off at 12:45 which is the basis for when the CW based their theory on when John died.

7. Matt McCabe, he of the " Tell them he never came in to the house" text to a group of McCabes and Alberts. There was much collusion.

M00

 

[jepop]

Streamed 8 mins ago

LYK highlights a number of incidences during JMc's cross where the judge says stuff and behaves in a manner unbefitng to a judge ie judges simply don't do this. Their job is to make sure Attorneys and witnesses behave appropriately, not become the one behaving inappropriately. Moo

 

[Warwick7]

Matt McCabe, he of the " Tell them he never came in to the house" text to a group of McCabes and Alberts. There was much collusion, IMO.

I forgot about that!!!

 

[Warwick7]

Matt McCabe, he of the " Tell them he never came in to the house" text to a group of McCabes and Alberts. There was much collusion, IMO.

I'm adding that to my last post.

 

[rescuemom]

I dunno sounds like desperate actions and lofty thoughts of a woman accused of murdering her cop boyfriend in front of his cops friends house , I am sure she feels underdoggie and in over her head. Picture had this happened to someone without the means to make it though this bs without that advantage.

It has been reported that she has lost almost everything including her home, any savings and her job, and if not from the help of her familly and now from the public and attys working pro bono for her can she continue.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Just want to add that 6 minutes is the absolute minimum it would take to get from 34 Fairview to One Meadows under normal conditions. Two of the three likely routes Read could have taken would be seven minutes at a minimum. Knowing the area myself and understanding Read did not, my guess is she would have taken one of the seven minute routes. And these times don't account for any of the possible red lights she may have encountered along the way.