MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[Soulmagent]

Call me belaboring the point. AARCA was employed by the FBI (with this case in mind, or not, if so why?) and given the job of does "A" cause damage to "B" and/or are damages to "B" caused by "A". AARCA said no. AARCA knew nothing about this case, individuals etc. It was an independent study. This project was paid for by FBI.

Then AARCA delivered those facts/results to FBI who in turn offered access/opportunity of facts/results to both the CW and Defense.

CW chose to ignore/reject the results. Defense chose to accept. I'm assuming then that there would be a contract to be paid for at some point between AARCA and defense. The money did not go directly to the experts who are hourly employees and who will testify. What is so wrong with this and so hard to understand??

Do we know why the FBI took on investigating this case????

Werent they already investigating LE there for other reasons?

 

[waldojabba]

Sorry Hank, no saving your witness after Alessi got through with him.

ETA: He is just wasting time with all this rehashing. The Jurors no longer have faith in Ian Whiffin.

Hank is just confusing all issues at this point - stumbling and messy
Circular and not really helping
Its obvi Wiffen is not rock solid and Hank is not really as up on this info as he should be
So it will come down to whose info the jury finds more credible
I assume D will have their own person when they are up
Just IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

Now he CAN tell the 8 second call was answered but the 36 second call he cant tell? Should not be doing this right now guy.

 

[Leilei]

Sorry Hank, no saving your witness after Alessi got through with him.

ETA: He is just wasting time with all this rehashing. The Jurors no longer have faith in Ian Whiffin.

He got him to admit to reasonable doubt.
Amazing!
IMO.

 

[jepop]

For sure.

IMHO, the phone was in a basement or garage. I’m not sure how to reconcile that with the lack of movement on the phone during the night. Hoping Alessi tries to explain that.

Garage within the radius mentioned by Whiffen? Idk but the garage is new to me and interesting.

A little off topic for the current testimony but am remembering some more new evidence to he introduced by defense; five separate unknown/unidentified DNA profiles on JOK's shoe. Details still to come. Not sure if that came from cw testing or if the defense got the shoe tested independently. If it's the defense's own testing because the cw didn't (and that's my best guess) then at the very least this is something the jury should know. But that's for later anyway. Jmo

 

[Soulmagent]

He got him to admit to reasonable doubt.
Amazing!
IMO.

Now he just look ridiculous . Whiffen I mean

 

[mrjitty]

Prosecution or Defense, take your pick...but someone or both do not want to bring in experts from Apple, Google, Lexus, etc...because if they did, this case would have been over a long time ago. All the rest is just blahblahblah...like the DNA in the OJ case, the data for the vast majority of time does not lie.

I can explain parts of it.

For the iPhone - there are standard extraction tools which are used in criminal trials in the US. Apple as the hardware and software vendor does not typically testify IMO.

Re Google - this often is obtained e,g if the person is logged in to a google account or using chrome - it will be in their history. Iphone/safari is different. I don't know if the D ever did subpoena google for anything server side, or whether that would even still exist for an anon search.

Re the Lexus - again therr are standard tools like BERLA for analysing. But for some reason these did not work. IIRC both sides have made significant efforts to get that data e.g resorting to "Chip off"

 

[rescuemom]

The whole ARCCA mess is not just about the mere deletion of 100 text messages, but rather has it's genesis in Trial 1 and how ARCCA were represented. The defence made a number of claims about the independence of ARCCA which turned out to be misrepresentations

1. ARCCA could not prep with the D before trial
2. ARCCA did not work for the defence and was not hired by them
3. ARCCA was not paid by the defence

Source

The Judge also allowed ARCCA to testify even though they did not comply with Rule 14 obligations re their data etc their report was based on, because DOJ would not allow it.

The Voir Dire yesterday illustrates that the relationship was much less independent than claimed, IMO. For instance Wolfe sent the D a QA doc of what to ask him.

So what does the Judge do for this trial? I think if this were a CW witness she'd probably strike them but I don't see that happening here. Does she just treat them as normal experts now, and allow Brennan free reign to impeach credibility?

I also think AJ will be sanctioned post trial. This is ridiculous behaviour from counsel and the second time he has been caught now.

The Judge will rightly be very angry with AJ, especially because she could have ruled against allowing ARCCA in T1 (no discovery). But I think she will put that aside.

MOO

AARCA is and independent company.

The Voir Dire yesterday illustrates that the relationship was much less independent than claimed, IMO. For instance Wolfe sent the D a QA doc of what to ask him.
After receiving permission from DOJ

I think if this were a CW witness she'd probably strike them but I don't see that happening here. Does she just treat them as normal experts now, and allow Brennan free reign to impeach credibility?
With previous connection to DOJ, does she dare?????????? Or does she let Hank make a fool of himself in front of the jury???

The Judge will rightly be very angry with AJ, especially because she could have ruled against allowing ARCCA in T1 (no discovery). But I think she will put that aside.

Again with the connection to the DOJ. In comparison after the conduct of the judge and CW, will AJ care??

 

[Wishbone]

Now he just look ridiculous . Whiffen I mean

The direct of this witness lasted way too long and now brennan is dragging out the rebuttal way too long as well. I'm guessing the jury has heard enough but brennan continues to bore them, repeatedly beating the same old information into the ground. JMOO

 

[nodamselindistress]

Hope Alessi does not re-cross. This has gone on way too long!

 

[Wishbone]

sustain, sustain, sustain, give it up brennan. JMO

 

[shotgun09]

The direct of this witness lasted way too long and now brennan is dragging out the rebuttal way too long as well. I'm guessing the jury has heard enough but brennan continues to bore them, repeatedly beating the same old information into the ground. JMOO

Brennan is desperately trying to repair the damage done on cross to the credibility of Ian Whiffen. Epic fail, IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

The direct of this witness lasted way too long and now brennan is dragging out the rebuttal way too long as well. I'm guessing the jury has heard enough but brennan continues to bore them, repeatedly beating the same old information into the ground. JMOO

I think it is just serving to make this witness less trustworthy. He is not very skilled at this it appears.

 

[Leilei]

Hope Alessi does not re-cross. This has gone on way too long!

Cruel and unusual punishment for the witness AND the jury at this point.
IMO.

 

[Bethlamb16]

Cruel and unusual punishment for the witness AND the jury at this point.
IMO.

I don't know how the jury is staying awake!

 

[jepop]

Every single thing that is shady, underhanded, deceitful, questionable...etc, etc, etc all comes from the CW's side. All their witnesses, all their evidence, comes with a caveat. Nothing just "is" there is a problem with practically EVERYTHING the CW does. There is nothing they present that doesn't require the suspension of belief or fact.

It's like the CW is on trial here. Every witness has some kind of excuse, some kind of memory loss, some kind of problem with their testimony. If you didn't know it, one would think it's the CW trying to get away with murder.

Like the 1st trial the CW is spending all their time defending jen mcabe, the Alberts and the police. Nothing has been presented yet that shows how KR murdered JOK. I just can't believe that this is their strategy AGAIN!

There appears to not be one minute of trial testimony by cw witnesses, in this trial or the last, which has just been straight forward and easy to understand. It's getting very tired. Always some flipping issue. Moo

 

[Wishbone]

I really hope this witness is finished and he doesn't come back after lunch. JMOO

 

[Bethlamb16]

There appears to not be one minute of trial testimony by cw witnesses, in this trial or the last, which has just been straight forward and easy to understand. It's getting very tired. Always some flipping issue. Moo

IKR as he even just asked out right "in your opinion" when did that search happen? If I was on the jury I would be really annoyed.

 

[Leilei]

Court TV saying this would be a great time for Jen McC to take the stand.
Doubtful, though.
Bring in Higgins or Proctor, I have popcorn available!
IMO.

 

[rescuemom]

Wouldn't it be helpful for distance to be stated in inches and feet not meters??? and temperature to be stated in degrees not fahrenheit???? Very misleading