MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[rebelchild]

I dont ever recall seeing a defendant at the defense table play-like they are an attorney before.

ADA Brennan going up against five attorneys and he’s a beast

All a matter of opinion for today

Snipped and bbm .. I have been thinking the exact same thing and couldn't agree more.

 

[LvsAMystry]

That is one of the more crazy things to pretend in this trial. Like forensics dont matter at all here ? really crazy to accuse the professional's of not knowing their basic duties.

She also testified that she didn’t see Read’s car through any windows and could only see through the door because the blinds were down on all the windows. This changed from her last testimony and her husband Matt even used a laser pointer at the last trial to show what window he saw out of.

 

[waldojabba]

I'm just saying that it appears at least Jen was not drunk. No doubt some others were but not necessarily all.

Its kinda like when someone gets pulled over for drunk driving and the officer asks them what have they had to drink. Everyone always says oh maybe 2-3 beers /glasses of wine - and its never true =
JMO

 

[waldojabba]

I didn't see the first trial. Can you explain some of the things she has changed?

Inconsistencies will be highlighted in the cross I am sure - jmo

 

[Soulmagent]

Here’s the thing - that’s speculation. Time distortion and minimization are common with hours of drinking. Saying ‘3-4 beers’ over 3 hours may sound casual and responsible, but alcohol affects different people differently. Not to mention the effects of different medications, food vs. empty stomach, etc. She also said she had a white claw in the Albert’s home but ‘only took a few sips’, which again, is pretty subjective.
Multiple other people from trial 1 testify to heavily drinking/drunk. Isn’t the safe assumption that Jen was likely on her friends level?
Also, even 3-4 beers over 3 hours is absolutely enough to affect judgement, especially in a woman with a smaller frame. MOO.

+ medication. MS is a ton of bs.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Karen just seemed like an insure girlfriend, and trying to be good to John's kids. This whole crew drank, and that sometimes causes problems in relationships. imo

Karen was out of their league and trying to fit in with them as a group. All they did was drink and party together and she couldn't keep up with that lifestyle.
MOO

 

[Soulmagent]

Karen was out of their league and trying to fit in with them as a group. All they did was drink and party together and she couldn't keep up with that lifestyle.
MOO

Really I disagree with this. I think JOK had a ton of fault in how his peers viewed her, and that aided in their narrative . How we got here and all of that.

 

[katykat]

Dang, I must have been watching the wrong channel and trial all day long. The one I watched showed a very much "shakened and stirred" Whiffen. I thought he was going to cry after Alessi had raked him over the coals. Heck Alessi had him doubting his own testimony. Oh, and the newly tanned Jen McCabe I watched today, she wore an open blouse with a cross to entice the jurors into believing she was a nice and non-lying woman . A faithful woman who just happened to text JK 7 times after a few drinks. Don't worry, her hubby Matt isn't the jealous type. That's why he referred to JK when he was dead as "that guy who never came in the house." Sweet couple! All in my own opinion.

Whiffen was pretty much the epitome of professionalism. His answers were short, precise and he never got into any form of argument. We can all read things differently in terms of credibility and the "big picture" but to suggest he was shaken in any way is just not in touch with how it happened.

 

[keek]

That is one of the more crazy things to pretend in this trial. Like forensics dont matter at all here ? really crazy to accuse the professional's of not knowing their basic duties.

I mean, people can ONLY deny so much, but not science from wellllllllllllll educated and years of experience professionals..we'll leave it that , instead of just sleuthers watching on the sidelines. IMO

 

[waldojabba]

Poor Karen... all these people dislike her.

I'd agree that lots of people dislike her/ and what I am seeing is, that it's a lot of women who not only dislike her but are very snarky/mean girlish about her.
None of us internet peeps know her well or at all I assume? So IMO although she does not present as a sympathetic defendant, I don't have a seething rancor for her as I am witnessing from others.

What ever happened that night/early morning ( and I dont believe her vehicle killed John) is a terrible tragedy, unimaginable for those who loved John. And I believe Karen certainly loved John or she would not have hung in there though the twists and turns and his push and pull behavior.
So even if you believe she played a part or was responsible for his death - it certainly was not planned
like so many other cases we follow here.
So I am finding the personal disdain for her every move or action just a little bit unsettling
JMO

 

[keek]

I'd agree that lots of people dislike her/ and what I am seeing is, that it's a lot of women who not only dislike her but are very snarky/mean girlish about her.
None of us internet peeps know her well or at all I assume? So IMO although she does not present as a sympathetic defendant, I don't have a seething rancor for her as I am witnessing from others.

What ever happened that night/early morning ( and I dont believe her vehicle killed John) is a terrible tragedy, unimaginable for those who loved John. And I believe Karen certainly loved John or she would not have hung in there though the twists and turns and his push and pull behavior.
So even if you believe she played a part or was responsible for his death - it certainly was not planned
like so many other cases we follow here.
So I am finding the personal disdain for her every move or action just a little bit unsettling
JMO

It's grossly rabid for sure, personal. Makes no sense as this is a trial and facts and witnesses and professional input on all that there has been is all I see. A woman also that could easillllllllllllly of been myself in situations as well as others, pure corruption and self serving. No inner sense of a person has their own life and all that goes with it such as their own when it comes to a Karen Reid, not 'one of them' or from their town or h.s days. ADULTS these all are in physical age.

 

[Luna20]

Okay but in this trial, it seems we aren't dealing with any of these kind of people ,at least from the CW...imo.. just like you we -opine.
She did not hit him with her car , IMO , it is a fact IMO.
Experts have said it ..

Wouldn’t he have been visible laying in the snow after KR drives away in her car?

 

[keek]

I'd agree that lots of people dislike her/ and what I am seeing is, that it's a lot of women who not only dislike her but are very snarky/mean girlish about her.
None of us internet peeps know her well or at all I assume? So IMO although she does not present as a sympathetic defendant, I don't have a seething rancor for her as I am witnessing from others.

What ever happened that night/early morning ( and I dont believe her vehicle killed John) is a terrible tragedy, unimaginable for those who loved John. And I believe Karen certainly loved John or she would not have hung in there though the twists and turns and his push and pull behavior.
So even if you believe she played a part or was responsible for his death - it certainly was not planned
like so many other cases we follow here.
So I am finding the personal disdain for her every move or action just a little bit unsettling
JMO

It's embarrassing from where I sit, for them. Gives you quite the idea of how some move in the world and probably always have, still. Gets in the way of critical and fair thinking of this particular situation, trial. IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

Wouldn’t he have been visible laying in the snow after KR drives away in her car?

Yes, he would have been if he was there then and someone was there to see.

 

[ShadyLady]

It's not just in storage. It's in a climate controlled, sealed unit. DNA testing costs a lot. The CW only sent in 4 swabs from JOK's shirt. Those swabs were never identified as to where on his shirt the swabs were taken from. KR faces the same hurdle. Where on the carpet should she test? With her limited resources she needs to make sure that where she tests is going to generate accurate information. So she's doing what she can with it at this point and time. IF she can raise enough money to test everywhere on the carpet, she will obviously test it. It's a longshot for sure. But she has it in her back pocket for now and she is using her limited resource on other parts of her case.

Until then she has it and is taking as much care as she can to preserve it. Which is more than the CW did with all of the so called evidence that they collected. They left their evidence, unsupervised in a shopping bag along with other things for weeks in the evidence room.

I would really like to see again where the 4 samples were taken from John's shirt.

Possible murder and only 4 samples? Each tear in shirt should have been analyzed...and wound. imo

 

[Luna20]

Yes, he would have been if he was there then and someone was there to see.

We aren’t there but we can see that he wasn’t on the ground in the video. I don’t understand why no one is saying that he wasn’t on the ground. The video is clear and he wasn’t on the ground. If she bumped him he would be right there near her taillight.

 

[Soulmagent]

We aren’t there but we can see that he wasn’t on the ground in the video. I don’t understand why no one is saying that he wasn’t on the ground. The video is clear and he wasn’t on the ground. If she bumped him he would be right there near her taillight.

I see your confusion,
The taillight break video was right as KR left back out FROM JOK's house after she went back to care for his niece , On a camera from JOK's house. There is no video from the Albert's yard. Hope that helps, and that I am remembering correct.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Karen was out of their league and trying to fit in with them as a group. All they did was drink and party together and she couldn't keep up with that lifestyle.
MOO

Karen was mixing her own drinks because the pour was weak according to her!
Karen was the one talking about needing a drink EARLY that day and wanted to go out.

IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

Karen was mixing her own drinks because the pour was weak according to her!
Karen was the one talking about needing a drink EARLY that day and wanted to go out.

IMO

Well now that we are all very familiar with her crew at the point in time , can we blame her?
I jest I jest.

 

[Linda7NJ]

We aren’t there but we can see that he wasn’t on the ground in the video. I don’t understand why no one is saying that he wasn’t on the ground. The video is clear and he wasn’t on the ground. If she bumped him he would be right there near her taillight.

??????