MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

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  • #761
Me either. I cannot believe this Judge’s rulings.
And BTW - what is the definition of a hostile witness?
JMC would look a lot more credible if she would answer the questions with a yes or no or I don’t recall instead of the constant editorializing and demanding to see proof of her prior testimony.
 
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AJ got to ask one additional question before judge cut him off. It was a question related to the female first responder. Hopefully we will hear more about that in the near future.
 
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Me either. I cannot believe this Judge’s rulings.
And BTW - what is the definition of a hostile witness?
JMC would look a lot more credible if she would answer the questions with a yes or no or I don’t recall instead of the constant editorializing and demanding to see proof of her prior testimony.
Jmo she's not really doing herself any favours. Obnoxious.
 
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Well, indeed AJ was able to draw out " Ugly Jen" towards the end of his cross. The big bulging eyes, the jutted out chin, and the gnarly voice was raised. She was pizzed. And, it showed. MOO
 
  • #766
I agree. If Kerry wasn't even there the night before and her and Jen just met why were those 2 creating a timeline. That makes no sense to me.
Jen needed to keep her close. Didn’t want her to talk outside the ‘circle’
 
  • #767
So Jen saw investigators, asked for 10 minutes, immediately called her husband and Kerry Roberts, and then suspended the line of questioning. Very weird behavior from her. MOO.
what do you mean, any of us would be so lucky to have a friend like jen mccabe...
 
  • #768
what do you mean, any of us would be so lucky to have a friend like jen mccabe...
I get it.
I love my friends ,but they would not look out for me like that.
 
  • #769
I get it.
I love my friends ,but they would not look out for me like that.
Lol! I was being sarcastic but you make a fair point. She really did go to bat for her family huh! Right or wrong (in this case, very wrong). But I'll give her that at least!
 
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What happened, why no court tomorrow?? Jen needed rest time?
 
  • #772
If I were a juror, my head would be spinning. She is SO oppositional.
Yes this witness is very much a control freak for sure.
I would be frustrated as a juror that the witness refused to give direct answers to very clear direct questions.
It seems Jenn has created/enhanced her memories to support her narrative - that's what I would be
thinking
Overall not a good look for Jen.
Has anyone asked where that timeline is she made up for Peg? I was on the phone for a portion
of the testimony so I may have missed it?
JMO
 
  • #773
Me either. I cannot believe this Judge’s rulings.
And BTW - what is the definition of a hostile witness?
JMC would look a lot more credible if she would answer the questions with a yes or no or I don’t recall instead of the constant editorializing and demanding to see proof of her prior testimony.
A hostile witness is a specific definition, and certain things (like leading the witness) become allowed once a witness is designated as hostile. Categorizing a witness as hostile (and the resulting different rules about how lawyers can treat them) is a matter of law introduced via a rule by the Supreme Court. You can read more about this in the federal rules of evidence here.

The judge decides if the witness is hostile based on the witness's actions/behavior. There isn't one specific definition written in the law, but generally agreed-upon characteristics are out there. I liked this article about it. (Final comment is that it is much more than just being angry or coming off as irritated, which is what I used to think!)

Edit because I accidentally said federal rules of engagement when I meant evidence.
 
  • #774
What happened, why no court tomorrow?? Jen needed rest time?
She probably needs time to keep up that tan at the beach house, and Lord knows everyone needs a drink or 20.
 
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<modsnip - quoted post asking for a link to KR having a colostomy bag was removed by that member>
I literally provided the link in the post you just quoted.

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor confirmed he called Karen Read a “wack job c**t” and “retarded” and made light of her Crohn’s disease in texts sent to friends, family, and colleagues during his investigation into Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe’s death.

“I don’t have an explanation other than they’re regrettable and it’s something I’m not proud of, the language that I used,” he said of his texts.

On the stand, Proctor read through pages of messages exchanged with childhood friends in the hours and days after O’Keefe was found unresponsive on a fellow Boston police officer’s lawn in Canton. The recap below reflects some of those conversations, as they were read aloud in court.

“I’m sure the owner of the house will receive some s***,” one of Proctor’s friends wrote.

“Nope,” Proctor replied. “Homeowner is a Boston cop, too.”

Referring to Read and O’Keefe, he testified that he wrote in other texts, “She waffled him. I looked at his body at the hospital. He was banged up.” In another message, he added: “She hit him with her car.”

“She hot, at least?” one of Proctor’s friends asked at some point.

He said he replied, “She’s a wack job c***. Yes, she’s a babe. Weird Fall River accent, though. No 🤬🤬🤬.” He also testified that he said homeowner Brian Albert, by all accounts, had done nothing wrong.

Under questioning by prosecutor Adam Lally, who introduced the texts, Proctor acknowledged that his messages were “unprofessional and regrettable” and said he shouldn’t have sent them. In other texts, he said he called Read a “nutbag” and wrote, “she’s got a leaky balloon knot. Leaks poo,” in reference to Read’s chronic illness. Read was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease at age 25 and at one point used a colostomy bag.
 
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<modsnip - quoted post was removed>
as a person who also has a bag, she definitely had the procedure to have the bag. why ask for links if you're just going to deny anything they say? journalists from boston.com don't just report stuff without looking into it. i find them pretty reputable a majority of the time. <modsnip>
 
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  • #780
She just said Karen’s shadowy figure. Makes it sound like she’s the hamburglar or something nefarious.
I'm sad they took away the laugh react because this comment deserves it 😄
 
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