MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[mzmarymac]

Unscientific poll. If you are a not-guilty, who do you think was aware of what happened to JOK when or soon after it happened, i.e. not a day or two later.
Brian Albert
Nicole Albert
Matt McCabe
Jen McCabe
Colin Albert
Brian Higgins
Allie McCabe
Chloe Albert

 

[Tortoise]

Now AJ is talking to JM about her phone calls with JOK the night of his death. The calls ranged from 12:14 AM to 12:50 AM.
12:14 - JM calls JOK - answered - call lasts 49 seconds.
12:18:47 - JOK calls JM - answered - call lasts 36 seconds.
12:29:44 - JM calls JOK - answered - call lasted 7 seconds. JM denies THIS call, although she does not deny the other 2.
12:41:10 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:41:59 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:43:19 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:46:16 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:47:52 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:50:47 - JM calls JOK - missed

Why call him SEVEN times? Also, I believe this puts to rest whether or not the call went through, since the record is showing which calls were answered and which were missed. MOO though. So why acknowledge 12:14 and 12:18 but deny the 12:27 call?

Do you mean she denied speaking to him, or she denied calling him?

 

[mzmarymac]

Th

Would you elaborate on the missing camera footage from the library? I am not familiar with that.

Apparently there is no camera footage from the time that KR says she drove past the library which would give her some level of exoneration, but the video is missing from that particular time period.

 

[rescuemom]

jen's body language isn't so cocky and confident anymore is it? I swear she's shrunk a few inches since she took the stand today!

Don't forget that she's just a mom, even though she's very busy and up into everyone else's business.

 

[rescuemom]

Wow. JM sure was keeping up with Proctor.

They were best buds until they weren't. Given his public shame, that shouldn't look too good to this jury.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Apparently there is no camera footage from the time that KR says she drove past the library which would give her some level of exoneration, but the video is missing from that particular time period.

The Canton town IT guy also testified that the CD Lally handed to him as evidence was NOT the same CD he handed over to law enforcement.

 

[Anniesflowers]

I don’t think she was grandstanding at all. She was holding her own very well and sticking to her truths.

But are ‘her truths’ the actual truth? That’s what a lot of people are struggling with. ‘Her truths’ seem to be an awful lot like lies. Moo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

It is interesting to again follow this trial. Although I continue to be perplexed by the supposition that one is either a supporter of KR or not. That does not IMO seem to be an accurate goal. And IMO is not the standard that should be considered or applied.

IMO a review by the jury of presented evidence, testimony, witnesses, and court activity and rulings is what is needed and should be sought. I support a complete investigation, proper evidence collection, technique and protocol, and a fair, impartial process and presentation of evidence. Accurate court rulings on the record with clear, unequivocal statement of the basis for any such rulings sustained or overruled are also needed. How that collective is presented in court on the record would ultimately result in an allocation of justice for a criminal matter in a criminal court. IANAL. MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Why call him SEVEN times? Also, I believe this puts to rest whether or not the call went through, since the record is showing which calls were answered and which were missed. MOO though. So why acknowledge 12:14 and 12:18 but deny the 12:27 call?

Trying to locate JOKs phone??????

I wouldn't think you'd continue texting someone telling them where to park and asking where they are, if you were merely trying to locate a phone.

JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Unscientific poll. If you are a not-guilty, who do you think was aware of what happened to JOK when or soon after it happened, i.e. not a day or two later.
Brian Albert
Nicole Albert
Matt McCabe
Jen McCabe
Colin Albert
Brian Higgins
Allie McCabe
Chloe Albert

It doesn't have to be either/or. Some might believe she is NG due to not being able to prove she hit him BARD.

 

[ShadyLady]

A few questions for the die hards:
1.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from the cop who lived across the street wasn't available?
2.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from JOKs house was missing?
3.) Was it ever explained why the camera footage from the library was missing?
4.) Is it true that there are parts of the sallyport video that are missing?

TIA

I swear, a book could be written about the shenanigans of LE, supposedly "friends" of John. And the bias shown in court.

Really think now that John was an outsider, at least to the men.

IMO

 

[rescuemom]

Unlike AK who took the fifth, JMc did not. She has nothing to hide. She really should have taken the fifth, though. I suspect she wants to support John O'Keefe's memory and his family. moo


In addition, the defendant, refused to take the stand in trial one.

Me thinks she doesn't give a flippin' nothin' about JOK or his family.

 

[rescuemom]

I sure hope not but I’ve thought the same if they truly don’t have more than cursory knowledge of situation it may be hard to grasp the particulars.

I'd be willing to bet they know more than they admitted to and then there's the jury foreman. Wonder who Judge C picked this time

 

[Anniesflowers]

Does Whiffin work directly for Cellebrite, or does he just have a software to make Cellebrite information easier to format? Does his software have a backdoor to change Cellebrite information?

Yes, he does!
“Court ended for the day Monday as Alessi was cross-examining Ian Whiffin, who works for Cellebrite, a company that does forensic phone extractions. Whiffin returned to the stand Tuesday and with cross-examination complete after about three hours, Brennan returned for redirect questioning.”
Link: Jen McCabe begins testimony in Karen Read trial; judge warns defense "no more nonsense".

Scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page to find the quote! Moo

 

[Forest_Wood]

Don't forget that she's just a mom, even though she's very busy and up into everyone else's business.

Not just any mom, but a "normal" mom. Not just a normal mom, but a traumatized normal mom. Not just a traumatized normal mom but a traumatized normal mom who really needs Karen Read to be found guilty of 2nd degree murder of one of her best friends, JOK. She will stop forgetting, misremembering and lying at nothing less than an intentional murder conviction.
MOO

 

[Snoop Sister]

It is interesting to again follow this trial. Although I continue to be perplexed by the supposition that one is either a supporter of KR or not. That does not IMO seem to be an accurate goal. And IMO is not the standard that should be considered or applied.

IMO a review by the jury of presented evidence, testimony, witnesses, and court activity and rulings is what is needed and should be sought. I support a complete investigation, proper evidence collection, technique and protocol, and a fair, impartial process and presentation of evidence. Accurate court rulings on the record with clear, unequivocal statement of the basis for any such rulings sustained or overruled are also needed. How that collective is presented in court on the record would ultimately result in an allocation of justice for a criminal matter in a criminal court. IANAL. MOO

Awesome post!

 

[HarmonyE.]

I wouldn't think you'd continue texting someone telling them where to park and asking where they are, if you were merely trying to locate a phone.

JMO

Unless you were trying to make it seem that someone never even arrived inside the house when in actual fact he had.

Jen said she saw Read's car still there outside at 12:45.

However, Read connected to Wifi at John's house at 12:36 a good 2.5 miles away.

"Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams

 

[ShadyLady]

It is interesting to again follow this trial. Although I continue to be perplexed by the supposition that one is either a supporter of KR or not. That does not IMO seem to be an accurate goal. And IMO is not the standard that should be considered or applied.

IMO a review by the jury of presented evidence, testimony, witnesses, and court activity and rulings is what is needed and should be sought. I support a complete investigation, proper evidence collection, technique and protocol, and a fair, impartial process and presentation of evidence. Accurate court rulings on the record with clear, unequivocal statement of the basis for any such rulings sustained or overruled are also needed. How that collective is presented in court on the record would ultimately result in an allocation of justice for a criminal matter in a criminal court. IANAL. MOO

So much LE on the scene of a homicide....yet no one took photo of the body for evidence.

 

[waldojabba]

Unscientific poll. If you are a not-guilty, who do you think was aware of what happened to JOK when or soon after it happened, i.e. not a day or two later.
Brian Albert
Nicole Albert
Matt McCabe
Jen McCabe
Colin Albert
Brian Higgins
Allie McCabe
Chloe Albert

Top 4 plus Higgins

 

[Tortoise]

Th

Would you elaborate on the missing camera footage from the library? I am not familiar with that.

The defense claimed in a pre-trial 1 hearing that there was 2 minutes of library video footage missing, at the time KRead would have driven past it. They didn't raise it at trial 1.

There is no proof that KR did drive back to the house past the library. The digital evidence shows that KR connected with John's house WiFi roughly a minute before that 2-minute "missing" portion of video.

Funnily enough, if she had driven that route past the library, her car would have been seen on the video that was in evidence. So it shows she didn't go that route, IMO.