MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[MerlinFalcon]

Here’s the thing - there’s many of us who say they would NOT get along with Karen in real life, but still see the obvious forensic issues with the case. I don’t have an allegiance to Karen. I have an allegiance to scientific and investigative standards which were not met in this case.

This!!! I didn’t like her when I first started following this case. I didn’t like how she would walk by FKR people or how she talked to the media. I had a very pre-conceived notion of how a person accused of murder should behave. But the evidence from the very beginning wasn’t there and the McAlberts all acted dishonestly. Sure, she may have behaved like an insecure girlfriend but JO wasn’t treating her well. She would do things for his sister’s kids that he deemed spoiling but who wouldn’t? The kids lost both parents. I don’t think I’d want anything to do with either of them or the McAlberts. But that doesn’t make her guilty so when you remove the emotion, the evidence isn’t there.

I don’t see FKR as a cult. I can’t stand Turtleboy but he has exposed the behaviour of the police. Isn’t justice for all the goal? I want to know who killed him and it seems the people in the house who butt dial all night long and forget things are covering for someone who was there that night.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Respecting your opinion! Thanks for sharing. I too, initially thought this was a strange case with charging KR for Murder vs Accident. The justice system in MA is under fire for the over charging in my view.
But, in saying this..I still cannot come to the agreement that the CW has proof that KR hit him with her vehicle. John O'Keefe's autopsy photos prove ( to myself) that there is no way a vehicle strike killed him. His body screams " I was in a fight, and I lost".

Peace!

Thanks for your respectful reply.

Peace agreed indeed!

 

[Wishbone]

Exactly. I’ve followed this case from day one and there’s such an odd allegiance to Karen, as if they know her personally and they know for a fact there’s no way she could have done this. Nothing Jen McC said seems unusual to me at all. No one is perfect on the stand when asking to recall that much detail after so long.
The social media blitz has been very effective for Karen, to the point that her ride-or-die fans refuse to even consider that she might have hit him accidentally in anger while intoxicated, which is still a crime. There is not a lack of evidence in this case, but even if there was video of the incident, they would find some way to ignore or justify it. All of this is MOO of course, but there is zero evidence he set foot in that house.

No lack of evidence and no odd allegiance

I totally agree! Karen has so many followers with rose coloured glasses on. It totally amazes me. Personally, I think Karen was a very insecure, jealous and abusive girlfriend. I have even thought that she might have hit John with a glass and broke it even before got out of the car. Could the cuts on his arms or his head be the result of a jealous insecure Karen? Just saying my thoughts…

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No rose-colored glasses here. And I don't assume anything. I don't know what kind of person KR is aside from her academia and neither does anyone else posting on here. I look to the evidence alone. JO was not hit by a car and there is no evidence KR assaulted him with a glass. JMOO

 

[OldCop]

There’s been a lot of conversation around the implausibility of someone leaving a body on their own front lawn. One theory of mine is that an argument ensued in the Albert home that led to fisticuffs and the dog jumped in. John fell and hit his head or he was whacked on the head from behind. His balance might have been off due to alcohol consumption. He may have been able to get up and stumble outside only to fall again near the flagpole never to get up again. I think JmcC may have seen him either when she was leaving or during one of her (frequent) glances out the window.
The group had a decision to make. Either call and try to get JOK some help and risk being charged with any number of crimes or play dumb; no one saw nuthin.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Here’s my thing . I don’t have any allegiance one way or the other. But, I am not totally convinced yet that she was not culpable in some way to John’s death. To me, the forensic evidence is skewed both by the defence and prosecution. Paid experts will try to prove whatever they are paid to prove.

I would just like to see Justice for John!

And that’s the thing about this trial that is so scary to me. The ME couldn’t determine John was hit by a car, nor could the independent investigators. I truly believe many people can’t get away from believing Karen hit John because the alternative is that the people who are supposed to protect and serve us found themselves above the law. I fear a world where someone can be thought to be guilty based on vibes. The CW didn’t prove their case trial 1, and I highly doubt they will trial 2. But people’s natural appeal to authority/just world biases make many believe that Karen must somehow be involved, even though the data and evidence that is actually the basis of this case is dubious at best. MOO.

 

[shotgun09]

I have a deep respect for law and order. Not Karen Read specifically.

IMO, KR through David Yanetti sniffed out the "Am I being set up?" question fairly quickly. The conflicted out CPD was for starters. It didn't take long for them to conclude something was definitely wrong in Canton.

Mysteriously, soon after, the FBI became involved.

And now, not surprisingly, Michael Proctor has been removed.

Law and Order

 

[kuromiiiilove]

There’s been a lot of conversation around the implausibility of someone leaving a body on their own front lawn. One theory of mine is that an argument ensued in the Albert home that led to fisticuffs and the dog jumped in. John fell and hit his head or he was whacked on the head from behind. His balance might have been off due to alcohol consumption. He may have been able to get up and stumble outside only to fall again near the flagpole never to get up again. I think JmcC may have seen him either when she was leaving or during one of her (frequent) glances out the window.
The group had a decision to make. Either call and try to get JOK some help and risk being charged with any number of crimes or play dumb; no one saw nuthin

IMO it makes sense to not move him further. Why create a further crime scene in your vehicle, or dump him and risk being seen? I think if anything happened in 34 Fairview, they originally thought his death may have been assumed to be an unsolvable tragic accident.

 

[rescuemom]

I agree with you.
KR was very drunk and trying to drive in a snowstorm. John was very drunk and trying to walk in a snowstorm. She accidentally hit him. A tragedy.
The biggest crime here is that the prosecutor over charged her. Murder implies intent which there absolutely was none that I can see. She should have been charged with whatever Massachusetts calls driving while intoxicated causing bodily harm or death.
KR and her attorneys should have been fighting to change the charges not spinning wild conspiracies. Some are saying people are lying to “save their own”, but KR et al are doing the same it seems to me.
What a mess. KR did not murder John, but she is responsible for his death.
Shame on the prosecutors and shame on the defense attorneys. That’s as I see it.

That’s just my opinion. I will now retire to my foxhole to await the incoming grenades that will be tossed my way.

I really question how drunk KR was at the time she dropped him off at 34 Fairview. The pharmacist lady who was, along with her husband an atty, spent she said a good amount of time with KR at the Waterfall and testified that KR did NOT appear drunk, was not slurring words, did not have trouble walking. etc. She, her name Kristin??, was very credible and seemed herself to not be one of the regular group.

I have no idea why the CW called her for their case. She IMO helped the defense

 

[Spectrix]

Here’s my thing . I don’t have any allegiance one way or the other. But, I am not totally convinced yet that she was not culpable in some way to John’s death.

Looking for any possible way to blame a person for another persons death is not how murder investigation is supposed to work.

Since there is no evidence that JOK was hit by a car, how exactly do you suggest that KR is culpable?

 

[rescuemom]

I'm fairly up to date and have read and watched a lot about the case. I believe JM is telling the truth and was wondering why the OP thought she was not. What evidence is there really tgat she's lying? I haven't seen it, just a lot of speculation with no nexus in fact. JMO

Did you watch the first trial or are you trying to catch up by watching documentaries, pod casts, etc. If so, you are no way up to date. IMO

 

[Wishbone]

Looking for any possible way to blame a person for another persons death is not how murder investigation is supposed to work.

Since there is no evidence that JOK was hit by a car, how exactly do you suggest that KR is culpable?

Wasn't a cocktail glass mentioned?

 

[rescuemom]

For the people insisting Jen McCabe is a lovely and honest person, I remind ya'll that she (reluctantly) admitted she lied to the FBI.

Why on earth would anyone lie to the FBI unless they had something really big to hide?

Or felt like she was above the law, cause she is an Albert, or at least she thinks she is. I still am amazed that she is the mouth piece of this bunch. Even Julie and Nicole Albert are not as vocal!! IMO, she was on the scene and has relished that fact.

 

[rescuemom]

Does anyone know if someone like Kerry can be brought back as a witness for the defence or is she done for this trial?

If she wants to rehab her reputation for the sake of her family she had better get a lawyer and fess up. Since Jen Mc has taken her under her wing and is now a bff, I wonder what she could talk about

 

[lohrtabitha]

It should have been over after the only evidence slightly hitting at KR hitting him are those planted pieces.IMO.
Whats to stop the next SPO ?
He should of went to Jail .IM

Where did we get new info that he was carrying two glasses? We are not even sure that the partial one beside him wasn't placed.

 

[rescuemom]

The court ruled, before T2 began, that CA cannot be considered as a third party culprit due to lack of evidence in T1.

IMO, for whatever reason CA to testify again could sink the case. CW couldn't risk it

 

[OldCop]

Here’s my thing . I don’t have any allegiance one way or the other. But, I am not totally convinced yet that she was not culpable in some way to John’s death. To me, the forensic evidence is skewed both by the defence and prosecution. Paid experts will try to prove whatever they are paid to prove.

I would just like to see more than anything is justice for John O’keefe.

The thing about the experts in this case is that ARCCA was given the pertinent elements about the death of JOK regarding the bodily injuries and the suspect vehicle and asked to determine if that vehicle caused those injuries. This testing was at the request of and paid for by the FBI in conjunction with ANOTHER CASE prior to Trial #1. The results of their testing were later provided to BOTH the CW and the Defense team. Only the defense elected to use their findings. It was then that they paid ARCCA for their participation and expenses.
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[rescuemom]

Bingo!!
Especially if that someone has their whole life ahead of them, and had "issues" prior. Two of these people were not seen for two weeks after JOK's death, and one didn't even attend the funeral.
IMO, as always.

I asked that question a while ago and got no response. It was reporte/said the neither BA or BH went to JOKs funeral. If so, why not??? Disgusting. Even OJ went to Nicole's funeral.

But remember, JOK even though he was a Boston cop, he wasn't from Canton. He was also an ousider.

 

[rescuemom]

There is also the connection between Jen's daughter, Allie, and Colin. They are very close, supposedly born a few days apart, so brought up together and very close. Allie gave Colin a ride home from 34 Fairview that night after the 1st person he called refused him a ride. Allie also lied and testified in T1 that they went straight home, yet there was much confusion over times w/her Lifetime 360 app, which somehow showed them riding around for over an hour afterward before going home. Why would Colin need to ride around for an hour before going home???

I felt sorry for Allie. She could hardly keep it together.

 

[rescuemom]

The court ruled, before T2 began, that CA cannot be considered as a third party culprit due to lack of evidence in T1.

Wait. Although I don't agree, supposedly there is no evidence against BA or BH either but they can be brought is as 3rd party culprits?? Just doesn't make since.

 

[rescuemom]

Even Paul O'Keefe said at the hospital that "He looked like he went five rounds with Mike Tyson."

I can't believe that Paul supposedly still believes what he said in one interview, that KR killed his brother. He was right and immdiately reacted correctly when he saw his brother in the hospital. He's angry that his brother is gone but c'mon really, FIGHT for the TRUTH for your brother.