MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[sunshineray]

Dead COPS to be exact!

And you consider that to be such a monumental bad factor!? Was it mentioned when the State Police were called, sure it was. There was a huge snowstorm happening and the locals wanted them to know it was a fellow officer. I see nothing devious in that at all. Would you think the same if it was a firefighter laying dead and them mentioning that? There are brotherhoods for vocations like first responders as there are for those who protect and serve in the military.
AJMO

 

[OldCop]

So they testified to a hypothetical case, a made-up case similar to KR’s case.
Their determination then was not that JOK was not hit by a vehicle. Their determination was that someone of John’s height and weight in this hypothetical case was not hit by a car.
Interesting.
If I’ve got something wrong here, please, respectfully, let me know, as I am sure somebody here will.

Just thinking on things.

No, it was not a hypothetical made-up case. It was a blind study. All facts as presented were true. ARCCA just didn’t know the name of the victim.

 

[arielilane]

13. 12:41:35 AM Defendant calls John - Voicemail #2 message Defendant's foot steps are heard in the garage moo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The voicemails really drive home that Karen didn’t know where John was. She was mad - really mad - that he had not come back to the vehicle.

 

[Soulmagent]

it's you who is asking me a question. If you don't want to invest the time to explain it, then I am happy not to answer.

I answered with a 15 minute link, you came back . And again.

 

[RatFace]

Why is KR calling JOK a pervert on the voicemails? Anyone know the background on that?

 

[sunshineray]

Strange that the cop standing next to her showed zero reaction in the video when she supposedly said this.

In that weather, not really, MO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Why is KR calling JOK a pervert on the voicemails? Anyone know the background on that?

i believe she thought he was with another woman.

Yep, we just heard it in the 1:17:37 voicemail - ‘you’re f*cking another girl’

 

[jepop]

There's an intentional misinformation campaign happening in this trial. You'll never convince those that are intentionally trying to confuse and misrepresent facts. It's helpful, though, to refute the misinformation for those who are learning about the case or don't have all the facts. Try not to let it get to you Thankfully, this trial is happening in a court room and not in social media.

RBBM. Thanks so much. It's easy to forget that.

 

[mrjitty]

Per that testimony, O'Hara arrived at 4:56pm and waited on the rest to arrive. The search started at 5:20pm. The Lexus was seized at 4:12pm

Which is my point.

O'Hara was already on site by 4.56. Lt Tully was already there with other officers. There is no time for anyone to load the Lexus, take the Lexus to the sally port, smash out the tail light, drive over to 34F and plant the pieces under the snow, then smooth it all over ready for O'hara to find.
O'Hara and Tully are already there. It's a small search area. They would notice anyone attempting to do this.

Per O'Hara's testimony I posted, there were over a dozen law enforcement officers on site.

The fact that the Lexus is seized 45 mins before O'Hara arrives on site does not take the conspiracy any further.

MOO

 

[Soulmagent]

And you consider that to be such a monumental bad factor!? Was it mentioned when the State Police were called, sure it was. There was a huge snowstorm happening and the locals wanted them to know it was a fellow officer. I see nothing devious in that at all. Would you think the same if it was a firefighter laying dead and them mentioning that? There are brotherhoods for vocations like first responders as there are for those who protect and serve in the military.
AJMO

I mean it is a special felony.
I think a dead public servant is kinda a big deal.
Such a same, when he went out all those other public savants got caught up. and I mean called into question.

 

[jepop]

So they testified to a hypothetical case, a made-up case similar to KR’s case.
Their determination then was not that JOK was not hit by a vehicle. Their determination was that someone of John’s height and weight in this hypothetical case was not hit by a car.
Interesting.
If I’ve got something wrong here, please, respectfully, let me know, as I am sure somebody here will.

Just thinking on things.

I suggest you watch and absorb the testimony from trial 1. Jmo

 

[Wishbone]

In that weather, not really, MO

The weather as an excuse for a botched investigation and now an excuse for the cop not reacting to the supposed utterance of KR? Why not just blame the whole thing on the weather? JMOO

 

[Angelwatch]

I agree. Everything must be considered.
But a lousy investigation in itself doesn’t prove she’s not guilty.
Guilty people are found guilty everyday based on less than stellar investigations.

Hmmmm

Yes, people both guilty AND innocent have been convicted of crimes based on less than stellar investigations. For reasons that don't have anything to do with facts, like prejudice and bias. Does a poor investigative standard filled with bias meet the standard in BARD?

Imagine someone told you that your spouse, parent, or child had committed a terrible crime. You know this person. You've lived with them, trusted them, shared your life with them. Would you believe it just because someone like Trooper Proctor said so? I wouldn’t. I’d need to see overwhelming, unbiased evidence—proof so convincing it overcomes every doubt I have. That’s what 'beyond a reasonable doubt' means to me. This investigation wasn't just "less than stellar." It was so much worse than that.

 

[sunshineray]

The same first responder who said that she wasn’t taking notes on scene and then just yesterday was shown on video taking notes? The same one who claimed a police officer heard Karen say ‘I hit him’ who did not log that in HIS notes or make any statement about it? The same paramedic trying desperately to distance herself from the Alberts?

Yeah.

Again, yet another person framing poor KR? She went to school at the same time and knew her but didn't consider her one of her groups of friends. That's too shocking to believe? As far as her taking notes, she said she wrote John's name and age IIRC, on her glove. Now I'm sure she's also writing down the time, place and maybe people's names but not "notes" on conversations. She's not a police officer. If a police officer did hear KR say the same, not write it down and then testify to it, he can be question as to why not. Then it's up to the jury whether to believe his testimony. MO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

No, it was not a hypothetical made-up case. It was a blind study. All facts as presented were true. ARCCA just didn’t know the name of the victim.

So who testified that the blind study was based on true information from this case? How was that ever determined if it was a blind study and they didn’t know the victim? How did the defense find out about it?

 

[tara83]

So who testified that the blind study was based on true information from this case? How was that ever determined if it was a blind study and they didn’t know the victim? How did the defense find out about it?

The FBI had it done.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Again, yet another person framing poor KR? She went to school at the same time and knew her but didn't consider her one of her groups of friends. That's too shocking to believe? As far as her taking notes, she said she wrote John's name and age IIRC, on her glove. Now I'm sure she's also writing down the time, place and maybe people's names but not "notes" on conversations. She's not a police officer. If a police officer did hear KR say the same, not write it down and then testify to it, he can be question as to why not. Then it's up to the jury whether to believe his testimony. MO

Why do you feel like you can have it both ways? On one hand, you’re saying Katie McLaughlin is a credible witness whose memory of what Karen said is solid two years after the fact. On the other, you’re brushing off the fact that she never told anyone, never wrote it down, and never mentioned it until trial - as if that’s just normal behavior for someone who supposedly heard a murder confession?? Please.

And let’s be real: she didn’t just go to school with Caitlin. They were in the same graduating class, same size town, same age range. The idea that this was some distant acquaintance is very dishonest.

If this ‘I hit him’ statement was real and she was that sure of what she heard, why didn’t she say anything until trial? Why wasn’t it in the original reports? Why did other witnesses either retract or never corroborate it? Kerry Roberts, who was closer to the scene, backed off her claim just last week. Katie doubled down AFTER Karen was arrested and public opinion had already turned. The clear answer here is that her testimony has been contaminated.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The FBI had it done.

I am well aware of that.
The FBI had the report done while looking into sketchy things with the Canton PD.
But who told the defense team that this report existed and KR case information was used?

 

[sunshineray]

I mean it is a special felony.
I think a dead public servant is kinda a big deal.
Such a same, when he went out all those other public savants got caught up. and I mean called into question.

I don't think at the point of discovery anyone was thinking it was anything but a tragic accident. Even the firefighter paramedic probably thought that after hearing KR, she was very upset...as you would be. The BIG problem for me comes from her hitting him and fleeing, ultimately leaving him to die, JMO. I don't think she wanted him dead but I do think she's culpable.