MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[DustysMom]

Keefe attended JOK’s autopsy. He was the only one in the Norfolk unit attending.

Yannetti: Did you know that Proctor had already informed the ME of the state police theory? (Brennan reallyyyy doesn’t want this on the record).

Yannetti now discussing JOK’s injuries - two black eyes, swollen right eye, small abrasion left side of his nose, small cut over one eye.

Yannetti mentioning ‘scratches/bites’ to John’s arm. Objection to the line of questioning sustained. And sidebar. I don’t know how Bev expects anything to get done if the defense isn’t allowed to defend.

It is frustrating to hear ‘objection’ (all day long) and not know what/why they are objecting and why Judge is ruling the objection sustained or overruled.
In fact, I don’t recall Judge C ever saying ‘overruled’, she just instructs witness to answer if they can.Very casual….
Just a personal pet peeve - ‘you’re all set set’ - huh? did you just fix my car? Why not say ‘thank you, you may be excused’?

 

[mzmarymac]

Good morning! While this case is fascinating, I'd like to say a few words that are MY opinion and I've stated this in the past, but here me out.

There are 3 charges in this case and here is my take on the 3:

2nd Degree Murder - seriously? I don't even think many of the G's believe this theory. Even if she did hit him with her car, it is apparent that in the immediate aftermath, she had no idea. The voice mails left were raw and real and NOT something anyone would do immediately after killing someone in order to hide it. Not only that, you would also need to believe that she absolutely KNEW he was dead and not going to get up at some point and call the cops on her and have her arrested.
Leaving the Scene - see above
Vehicular Manslaughter - I think this is the one charge that people may get hung up on and it depends upon if you feel the evidence shows she DID in fact hit JOK with her car. From what I have read, there is a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison if convicted. I believe this is what she faces. It can go up to 10 years, but only with priors, etc...although who knows with this judge.

So let's talk about this, assuming she DID hit him and kill him with the car. While I realize that JOK is a police officer and the state wants to pursue charges, he did not die in the line of duty. So WHY such a heavy push to spend so much money on not one but two trials? Why push for Murder 2 when you already know the first jury voted that down 12-0 and none of them believe she KNEW she hit him. Why not just retry the manslaughter case?

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

I am NOT victim bashing. I am only stating that I believe that there a lot of people in this situation that are without issues. JMO

 

[rescuemom]

Respectfully, this is not actual evidence or testimony in the second trial. And it is confusing to those attempting to follow evidence presented in the trial by the prosecution and defense. And it creates difficulties in attempts to examine the evidence given to the jury for evidence on the record and consideration in their deliberations during the trial. MOO

Confusion. Isn't that the point??? In jury deliberations everywhere, I'll bet that the stronger jurors influence the weaker. In the end some jurors just go along. This is what CW is counting on here, even if it ends in another hung jury, at least it won't be an aquittal. Try her over and over, it keeps the truth buried and the murderers and accomplices still walking the streets. AJMO.

 

[Luna20]

This trooper witness is being intentionally difficult.

 

[OldCop]

@Bodhi asked “Is that standard in other police departments? Gallagher testified that was not the protocol or practice in the Canton PD at the time” in response to my suggesting that Lt Gallagher should have written a report about using a snow blower and collecting the glass fragments near where JOK’s body was found.
The majority of incidents involving police response begin with a 911 call and a dispatch which is assigned to a patrol vehicle. That responding officer is responsible for writing the initial incident report. Some are computerized and some are hand written depending on the department. In the case of a serious incident or an active incident, the patrol supervisor may or may not arrive on scene to ensure that the responding officer includes all pertinent information in his/her report You are taught in the Police Academy that the initial incident report is used in court and that it needs to be factual and includes all pertinent information: date, time, location, type of incident, witnesses, observations etc.
In the case of a serious incident, the patrol supervisor may make additional assignments to other responding officers such as taping off the scene, canvassing door to door, documenting who is on scene, etc. Each officer who receives an assignment should write a report.
When a supervisor interjects themselves into a critical part of the incident such as evidence collection, they absolutely should write a report. This would be critical for proof of chain of custody.

 

[arielilane]

Not understanding defense’s cross examinations of some of the witnesses - cross of Mr. Gilman, meteorologist not necessary in my opinion.

Cross of Trooper Keefe (on the stand now), so iPhone 11Pro used by JMc reveals IOS version, serial number, IMEI, okay, moving on…
Nice point though made by defense that KerR and JMc both willingly gave their phone info up to LE with no issue.

We shall see...
opinion all mine

Yannetti... what direction were her eyes facing when she was examining John O'Keefe?

Timestamp: around 116 minutes in

 

[Forest_Wood]

Good morning! While this case is fascinating, I'd like to say a few words that are MY opinion and I've stated this in the past, but here me out.

There are 3 charges in this case and here is my take on the 3:

2nd Degree Murder - seriously? I don't even think many of the G's believe this theory. Even if she did hit him with her car, it is apparent that in the immediate aftermath, she had no idea. The voice mails left were raw and real and NOT something anyone would do immediately after killing someone in order to hide it. Not only that, you would also need to believe that she absolutely KNEW he was dead and not going to get up at some point and call the cops on her and have her arrested.
Leaving the Scene - see above
Vehicular Manslaughter - I think this is the one charge that people may get hung up on and it depends upon if you feel the evidence shows she DID in fact hit JOK with her car. From what I have read, there is a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison if convicted. I believe this is what she faces. It can go up to 10 years, but only with priors, etc...although who knows with this judge.

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

I am NOT victim bashing. I am only stating that I believe that there a lot of people in this situation that are without issues. JMO

I agree with everything you have mentioned here. Thank you! It could have been any one of them getting into a collision that night (if that is what in fact took place which needs to be proven). We now know if any one of them in those families got into a collision or other incident that night, they would have covered it up, due to their intense drinking and driving. We know that based on all the unbelievable evidence presented in this case. I think it's the unfairness in this case that has rallied so many people behind Karen Read's defense.
MOO
ETA: I am thinking about ALL the incidents that may have happened over the years within these families of blue that have never seen the light of day due to collusion and cover-ups between them!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

CW, defense, and Judge Cannone meeting in her chambers. Break for everyone else.

Oh, not in chambers. They’re discussing whether or not the 2:27am search will be admitted to evidence. Brennan wants to be able to bring it up on direct examination of Ms. Hyde, but doesn’t want the defense to be able to bring it up in cross of the phone expert.

Alessi: Mr Brennan can’t have it both ways. He can’t bring up the 2:27 timestamp and then not allow the defense to bring it up on cross.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi: The CW is the one that is triggering this issue in a legal sense. They are bringing the 2:27AM timestamp up with this witness. I have the right to cross examine the same timestamp with the same expert witness (Jessica Hyde).

Judge Cannone needs a half hour to consider. The phone expert witness is present and may need to stay another day. She needs to leave by Friday.

Brennan approached the bench and we no longer have audio.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Absolutely ridiculous that Brennn wants to be able to discuss things on direct, but restrict the Defense from bringing those topics up on cross. MOO.

ETA: Alessi says that questioning Ms. Hyde’s methodology is important because she was apparently found to be an unreliable witness in another Massachusetts case. Does anyone know which case?

 

[nodamselindistress]

Absolutely ridiculous that Brennn wants to be able to discuss things on direct, but restrict the Defense from bringing those topics up on cross. MOO.

ETA: Alessi says that questioning Ms. Hyde’s methodology is important because she was apparently found to be an unreliable witness in another Massachusetts case. Does anyone know which case?

I thought I heard it was a MD case? Do not know which case, however.

 

[rescuemom]

Plus, there is always a group or person that socially out, can get away with things others wouldn't even think of. Even if only in their mind. Otherwise, the Albert/McCabe crew lived as though they owned the town, untouchable. We're seeing that whole mindset in action from the time it was decided to put JOK out on the lawn by the street, plow hit him. This was all before KR came looking along the roads for him, walked right into it. IMO

Agree. I'm just nosey enough to want to know the background of some of these families.

Totally off topic here but I currently live in a beautiful, rural area of northern central Florida surrounding a small town where certain families have "run" this town/county, intermarried with other families who also have "run" this town/county for 3-4 generations.

They own businesses, are on councils, in zoning, and school affairs. One thing we don't have is police corruption, thank god. Other than that everyone else is an outsider. After 5 years living here, it's frustrating and not fun.

Like someone told us "for anything to change, we need more funerals." but that kind of power leeches down into the next generation of bullies and lazy, entitled idiots.

IMO, the Boston area has been and is very proud to be in LE or have family in LE or be married to LE.

 

[rescuemom]

So, watching the cross, Meteorologist Robert Gilman testified, if I understood his arithmetic, there was 8/10 of an inch up until 01:00 (enough to track a cat) then a total of 1.7 inches up until 04:00am. Then by 06:00 it was 3.9 inches total. Another 8.6 inches fell after John's body was found and up until noon on Jan 29 for a total of 12.5 inches. It was a lot of snow in the end. Would 3.9 inches be enough to cover a 6 ft man's body total?
Edited for clarity

NO

 

[waldojabba]

You may want to read this article about civil suits. It’s more of a judgement. Often those who don't have money do not end up paying. I don't think many people know this. If I win my case and get a money judgment, when will

“Judge William White Jr. in November ordered the halt of Read's scheduled deposition in the civil case and any other discovery directly related to her. Other discovery proceedings were allowed to continue without pause, according to the ruling.”

Karen Read murder trial: Second trial not the end of Read's legal troubles

John O'Keefe's family in August filed a civil lawsuit in Plymouth Superior Court against Karen Read.

www.patriotledger.com

 

[Soulmagent]

Jessica Hyde Bio.
Jessica Hyde

 

[rescuemom]

Did anyone actually swab/check the fire hydrant? A drunk man falling on the damp/snowy grass, with his hands full.

Did anyone actually swab/check the fire hydrant?

Heavens no, no one could find Q-tips anywhere on the block. If you haven't been sucker punched and just tripped you would drop something to break your fall. You wouldn't let your head hit something to render you unconscious.

 

[rescuemom]

Did they know JOK drunk too much? Did that lead them to presume accident due to drunken state?
Mind set was, lets not make too much of a drunk officer who died from accident by being too drunk, given so many of the station drunk too much, drinking was endemic, why make a big issue of. Maybe his drunk girlfriend caused it but she was at that stage within the blue wall.

No proof KR was drunk. Just witnesses from the same bar group that said that she did not appear to talk or walk drunk. JenMc needed for her to be really drunk

 

[kuromiiiilove]

5 sidebars today - I think we only had 4 all of yesterday!

I thought I heard it was a MD case? Do not know which case, however.

That could be true! I am at work listening, and only heard ‘the state’ and assumed MA

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Did anyone actually swab/check the fire hydrant?

Heavens no, no one could find Q-tips anywhere on the block. If you haven't been sucker punched and just tripped you would drop something to break your fall. You wouldn't let your head hit something to render you unconscious.

Maybe they could have improvised like they did with the red solo cups! Take some lint from a beanie and put it on a twig. Boom! Q-tip.

 

[Amber29]

Good morning! While this case is fascinating, I'd like to say a few words that are MY opinion and I've stated this in the past, but here me out.

There are 3 charges in this case and here is my take on the 3:

2nd Degree Murder - seriously? I don't even think many of the G's believe this theory. Even if she did hit him with her car, it is apparent that in the immediate aftermath, she had no idea. The voice mails left were raw and real and NOT something anyone would do immediately after killing someone in order to hide it. Not only that, you would also need to believe that she absolutely KNEW he was dead and not going to get up at some point and call the cops on her and have her arrested.
Leaving the Scene - see above
Vehicular Manslaughter - I think this is the one charge that people may get hung up on and it depends upon if you feel the evidence shows she DID in fact hit JOK with her car. From what I have read, there is a minimum sentence of 3 years in prison if convicted. I believe this is what she faces. It can go up to 10 years, but only with priors, etc...although who knows with this judge.

So let's talk about this, assuming she DID hit him and kill him with the car. While I realize that JOK is a police officer and the state wants to pursue charges, he did not die in the line of duty. So WHY such a heavy push to spend so much money on not one but two trials? Why push for Murder 2 when you already know the first jury voted that down 12-0 and none of them believe she KNEW she hit him. Why not just retry the manslaughter case?
<modsnip - not victim friendly>

I am NOT victim bashing. I am only stating that I believe that there a lot of people in this situation that are without issues. JMO

Great post! Completely agree with you. I will honestly never understand the prosecutor going for second degree murder again. It was an overcharge the first time and it still is this time. If he weren’t a cop this wouldn’t be happening, imo.
Their case is weak even proving she hit him much less proving intent. Very hard to believe he flew through the air, hit the ground and died where he lay. The blood flow and the vomit down the front of him prove that’s not accurate. Will be interesting how this jury decides.